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Reverb and echo are kissin cousins IMHO.
Dan
urbansurfkings <> wrote:
--- In , "Danny Snyder" <snydr@s...>
wrote:
> Does anyone know if surf guitarists ever made use of tape echo
units?
A Roland Space echo was used on a lot of the rhytm tracks on our last
CD, "Surf vs the Flying Saucers". The engineer added it after the
fact. They sure are a lot of fun.
Mike/ Urban Surf Kings
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Jerry Lee Lewis is to his 13-year old cousin as reverb is to echo.
Heyoooo!
--- In , Dan Bartley <bigtwangguy@y...>
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> Reverb and echo are kissin cousins IMHO.
> Dan
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> urbansurfkings <surfkings@h...> wrote:
> --- In , "Danny Snyder" <snydr@s...>
> wrote:
> > Does anyone know if surf guitarists ever made use of tape echo
> units?
>
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> A Roland Space echo was used on a lot of the rhytm tracks on our last
> CD, "Surf vs the Flying Saucers". The engineer added it after the
> fact. They sure are a lot of fun.
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Australia's all-time best.
The Pacifics weren't too shabby either.
BW Dave
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>--- In , "Danny Snyder" <snydr@s...>
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>> Does anyone know if surf guitarists ever made use of tape echo units?
>> I know East Bay Ray for one made great use of an echoplex, but I'd be
>> curious to hear of others, especially before I plunk down hundreds of
>> dollars on one of those babies.
>>
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>The Atlantics, The Denvermen, and the Joy Boys used tape echo pretty
>heavily.
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I would guess the only 60's era surf bands that used tape echo were
those that were influenced by The Shadows. I.e. none in the US. Only
the Australian surf bands would probably qualify. The Atlantics used
gobs of it.
BN
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> I would guess the only 60's era surf bands that used tape echo were
> those that were influenced by The Shadows. I.e. none in the US. Only
> the Australian surf bands would probably qualify. The Atlantics used
> gobs of it.
Not quite, Brian. Norman Sanders, the lead guitarist of the
(Hollywood) Tornadoes (of the Bustin' Surfboards fame) used a tape
echo unit as much as a reverb unit, and I think actually in the
beginning of the band even more. Also, the Surfaris used it on
occasion (such as on their version of the Nobles' Earthquake - I think
the Nobles also used it on the original?).
But that's all I can think of. (The Challengers used gobs of it on
their version of Apache, but that was clearly Shadows/Ingmann-
influenced.)
Ivan
--- In , "Dave Becker" <novapup@i...>
wrote:
> The Pacifics weren't too shabby either.
Where in the world did you get to hear the Pacifics?? I'm a huge fan
of sixties Aussie surf, and I've only read about them!
Ivan
I recall seeing a picture of the "Hollywood" Tornadoes with a tape echo, and
there are parts of Bustin' Surfboards that sound like echo to me.
As a shameless plug, I used a Space Echo on a couple of songs on the
upcoming Mel-tones CD...
Mel
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Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: tape echo
> I would guess the only 60's era surf bands that used tape echo were
> those that were influenced by The Shadows. I.e. none in the US. Only
> the Australian surf bands would probably qualify. The Atlantics used
> gobs of it.
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I always assumed the Hollywood Tornadoes were the British Tornados
because of the tape echo.
And to Mel. I can't wait for the new album.
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> --- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > I would guess the only 60's era surf bands that used tape echo were
> > those that were influenced by The Shadows. I.e. none in the US. Only
> > the Australian surf bands would probably qualify. The Atlantics used
> > gobs of it.
>
> Not quite, Brian. Norman Sanders, the lead guitarist of the
> (Hollywood) Tornadoes (of the Bustin' Surfboards fame) used a tape
> echo unit as much as a reverb unit, and I think actually in the
> beginning of the band even more. Also, the Surfaris used it on
> occasion (such as on their version of the Nobles' Earthquake - I think
> the Nobles also used it on the original?).
>
> But that's all I can think of. (The Challengers used gobs of it on
> their version of Apache, but that was clearly Shadows/Ingmann-
> influenced.)
>
> Ivan
Rip used one on Locked and Loaded. Jeff Bakos who recorded us owns it
and will not part with it.
Happy Reverbs!
Spanky
On Jun 10, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Jacob Dobner wrote:
> Right off the top of my head I can think of Ivan from the Space
> Coassacks who used an echoplex on their first album. Dave Wronski from
> Slacktone also uses an Echoplex quite frequently.
>
> --- In , "Danny Snyder" <snydr@s...>
> wrote:
> > Does anyone know if surf guitarists ever made use of tape echo
> units?
> > I know East Bay Ray for one made great use of an echoplex, but I'd
> be
> > curious to hear of others, especially before I plunk down hundreds
> of
> > dollars on one of those babies.
> >
> > Thanks,
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To all those who own a Echoplex. Please don't sell it on E-Bay. Just force
yourself to use it. God Bless You.
B-B-O
---- Twangler <> wrote:
> Rip used one on Locked and Loaded. Jeff Bakos who recorded us owns it
> and will not part with it.
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> Happy Reverbs!
> Spanky
> On Jun 10, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Jacob Dobner wrote:
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> > Right off the top of my head I can think of Ivan from the Space
> > Coassacks who used an echoplex on their first album. Dave Wronski from
> > Slacktone also uses an Echoplex quite frequently.
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> > --- In , "Danny Snyder" <snydr@s...>
> > wrote:
> > > Does anyone know if surf guitarists ever made use of tape echo
> > units?Â
> > > I know East Bay Ray for one made great use of an echoplex, but I'd
> > be
> > > curious to hear of others, especially before I plunk down hundreds
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> > > Thanks,
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--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
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> Not quite, Brian. Norman Sanders, the lead guitarist of the
> (Hollywood) Tornadoes (of the Bustin' Surfboards fame) used a tape
> echo unit as much as a reverb unit, and I think actually in the
> beginning of the band even more. Also, the Surfaris used it on
> occasion (such as on their version of the Nobles' Earthquake - I think
> the Nobles also used it on the original?).
Thanks Ivan. Why do you suppose tape echo wasn't used very much in
surf? The rockabilly guys were using slapback echo, right? I don't
know much about rockabilly; was that primarily a studio thing, or did
the rockabilly guys drag tape machines and/or echoplexes with them on
stage?
BN
maybe it's because tape delays were expensive, somewhat
fragile studio devices?
maybe because they were rather rare birds back then?
maybe Fender had better marketing with it's reverb/amp
line?
maybe it's because the Shadows never hit it too big in the
USA?
???
-dp
--- Brian Neal <> wrote:
> --- In , "ipongrac"
> <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Not quite, Brian. Norman Sanders, the lead guitarist
> of the
> > (Hollywood) Tornadoes (of the Bustin' Surfboards fame)
> used a tape
> > echo unit as much as a reverb unit, and I think
> actually in the
> > beginning of the band even more. Also, the Surfaris
> used it on
> > occasion (such as on their version of the Nobles'
> Earthquake - I think
> > the Nobles also used it on the original?).
>
>
> Thanks Ivan. Why do you suppose tape echo wasn't used
> very much in
> surf? The rockabilly guys were using slapback echo,
> right? I don't
> know much about rockabilly; was that primarily a studio
> thing, or did
> the rockabilly guys drag tape machines and/or echoplexes
> with them on
> stage?
>
> BN
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--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> Thanks Ivan. Why do you suppose tape echo wasn't used very much in
> surf? The rockabilly guys were using slapback echo, right? I don't
> know much about rockabilly; was that primarily a studio thing, or did
> the rockabilly guys drag tape machines and/or echoplexes with them on
> stage?
I think it was mainly a studio thing - there weren't really reliable,
affordable and transportable echo units in the fifties. I know that
Scotty Moore and Chet Atkins had their custom-made Ray Butts amps with
the echo built-in, but I think those were pretty fragile. (However,
Deke Dickerson was using one of those ULTRARARE amps - with a working
echo - on the road a few years ago, and may still be, so I guess
they're not THAT fragile!)
I don't know much history behind the Echoplex - anybody know when it
was first introduced? The Shadows were using mostly Italian echo
units (Meazzi) that were very unreliable, but were also much more
advanced than the Echoplex - featuring multiple heads allowing for the
famous staggered-echo patterns used to such great effect by Marvin, as
well as the Atlantics (who actually used German Klempt Echolette
machines).
Anyway, the answer is, I have no idea why more surf bands didn't use
echo. I guess cause no big name did, cause they were rare, and cause
they were a pain in the ass! (And have no doubt, tape echo units ARE
a pain in the ass - I've long ago given up using one. I'll take my
digital units any time - the ones that emulate tape echoes, anyway!)
Ivan
So to follow up on this thread, since I started it, it seems that there wasn't
too much use of
tape echo. While it seems that the effects possible could be integrated into
surf music, the
machines are such a pain to work with that most didn't bother. Some people are
using
simulators such as the EH's Memory Man. That's probably the way to go,and
cheaper too.
One more question, where would that go in the guitar signal chain - assuming I
don't have
an effects out on my vintage fender amp?
Danny
In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > Thanks Ivan. Why do you suppose tape echo wasn't used very much in
> > surf? The rockabilly guys were using slapback echo, right? I don't
> > know much about rockabilly; was that primarily a studio thing, or did
> > the rockabilly guys drag tape machines and/or echoplexes with them on
> > stage?
>
> I think it was mainly a studio thing - there weren't really reliable,
> affordable and transportable echo units in the fifties. I know that
> Scotty Moore and Chet Atkins had their custom-made Ray Butts amps with
> the echo built-in, but I think those were pretty fragile. (However,
> Deke Dickerson was using one of those ULTRARARE amps - with a working
> echo - on the road a few years ago, and may still be, so I guess
> they're not THAT fragile!)
>
> I don't know much history behind the Echoplex - anybody know when it
> was first introduced? The Shadows were using mostly Italian echo
> units (Meazzi) that were very unreliable, but were also much more
> advanced than the Echoplex - featuring multiple heads allowing for the
> famous staggered-echo patterns used to such great effect by Marvin, as
> well as the Atlantics (who actually used German Klempt Echolette
> machines).
>
> Anyway, the answer is, I have no idea why more surf bands didn't use
> echo. I guess cause no big name did, cause they were rare, and cause
> they were a pain in the ass! (And have no doubt, tape echo units ARE
> a pain in the ass - I've long ago given up using one. I'll take my
> digital units any time - the ones that emulate tape echoes, anyway!)
>
> Ivan
--- In , "Danny Snyder" <snydr@s...>
wrote:
> So to follow up on this thread, since I started it, it seems that
> there wasn't too much use of tape echo. While it seems that the
> effects possible could be integrated into surf music, the machines
> are such a pain to work with that most didn't bother.
Well... the old ones may have been a real pain to work with, but
Fulltone makes a very nicely re-engineered *new* one. Yes, it's VERY
expensive:
Most complaints are primarily concerned with the tape itself.
Fortunately, materials science has come a looooong ways since those
early days. "Vintage" tape was made from the best material known at
that time, but by modern standards, it's horribly deficient. Tapes
were notorious for breaking and wearing out quickly, giving the
Echoplex a rather unwieldy reputation. Nowadays, the tape is much
stronger, with much higher fidelity. And Mike Fuller has wisely made
sure that there will be a supply of quality, replacement
Echoplex-compatible tape cartridges for the future.
That Shuggie Otis-inspired piece sounds nice, eh?
