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When I was a youngin', guitar playing was all about chops (that's
Yngwie's 80s for you). Now that I'm not young anymore tone is more
important than running licks at a million miles per hour. Anyone
else experience this aging disorder?
Old Man Mike
dude,
I am with you when it comes to toneage...man I'm 38 now,
back in '83 tone was all about sreaming distortion and punk
rock speed riffs...
I started really listening and paying attention to real
tone about 8 years ago...as soon as that permanent tinitus
began to set in on the old right ear (my "crash cymbal"
ear). I also began wearing "shooting style" noise
suppressing earplug in my good left ear. I can't wear one
in my right ear, because with an earplug all I hear in that
ear is ringing and Jaques Cousteau underwater muffled
noise.
Mom was right, that damn loud punk rock music will make you
deaf...
I don't use headphones anymore, the sound level/pressure in
those are too intense...I believe that my 4-track studio
headphone did most of the damage to my "cymbal ear"...
But, I digress...dude, sweet tasty toneage is where it's
at...it makes me all warm and fuzzy when I am exposed to
superb tone action...sends shivers down my spine when tone
aura wordlessly surrounds...
dude, tone is awesome.
Dave P
--- urbansurfkings <> wrote:
> When I was a youngin', guitar playing was all about chops
> (that's
> Yngwie's 80s for you). Now that I'm not young anymore
> tone is more
> important than running licks at a million miles per hour.
> Anyone
> else experience this aging disorder?
>
> Old Man Mike
>
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--- urbansurfkings <> wrote:
> When I was a youngin', guitar playing was all about
> chops (that's
> Yngwie's 80s for you). Now that I'm not young
> anymore tone is more
> important than running licks at a million miles per
> hour. Anyone
> else experience this aging disorder?
Changing your focus to tone shows that you developed
an interest in the importance of your sound, desiring
to have a meaning in what you play, giving it
character and weight. Its like rap vs. talk radio. Do
rappers care for the mics they use? But at talk radio
you will find they greatest RCA mikes from mid
century.
KK
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Despite my being much shorter in the tooth than most who post on this
list, I think I can pinpoint what made the change for me: Grunge.
See, before then, there were three tiers of music:
1) "Stupid guitar" - mainly punk
2) "Mid-Level" - rock music at the time, some less complex metal
3) "ridiculous" - complex metal, Vai, Satriani, Yngwie (along with
Abba, the pride of my homeland!), Eric Johnson, etc.
Then along came this music "grunge", and it had perhaps the newest,
most distinct sound. Guys were using more obscure guitars (like
Jaguars) and playing through vintage equipment. Why? Because that's
what they could afford. But it created a whole movement away from
the "big three" that existed before -- there were lead guitarists,
but they played solos your average joe could play, but they retained
the energy of punk.
Yet I digress.... see, the main essence of grunge was the sound --
not what scale they were using or how fast they were playing. This
was the first time I remember tone being a major issue. Then again,
Eric Johnson used to believe that he could tell the difference
between battery brands when used in his pedals.
I, personally, have been tone-obsessed for a looooong time, well
before surf even. But now that I've "found a home" playing surf
guitar, I have immersed myself into getting "that" sound. Of course,
it's been probably somewhere between $3000 and $5000 over the last 3
years, but looking at my present arsenal, I know it's been worth
every penny.
~Bill~
PS - As far as strat questions are concerned, ask Ivan of the Space
Cossacks, he swears by strats.
As Duke Ellington once said, if it sounds good, it IS good.
Tone is in the fingers. You can own 20,000 worth of equipment, know
every scale in every mode and every diminished 9th and 11th chord on
the fretboard, and still be boring--or worse yet, bored.
Teisco Del Rey plays great music on cheap ass guitars. No amount of
knowledge, technique, or equipment will ever trump spirit, passion,
and soul, tastefully executed. Django R. and Jerry G. didn't even have
all their fingers--yet both were revolutionary on the instrument--and
were self taught. Tone and chops are never antagonistic--they're tools
to be put to use in the achievement of a higher objective. Neither is
an end in itself. Neither is a substitute for talent and creative vision.
--- In , "Bill Bergstrom"
<swingin_cat@h...> wrote:
> Despite my being much shorter in the tooth than most who post on this
> list, I think I can pinpoint what made the change for me: Grunge.
> See, before then, there were three tiers of music:
> 1) "Stupid guitar" - mainly punk
> 2) "Mid-Level" - rock music at the time, some less complex metal
> 3) "ridiculous" - complex metal, Vai, Satriani, Yngwie (along with
> Abba, the pride of my homeland!), Eric Johnson, etc.
>
> Then along came this music "grunge", and it had perhaps the newest,
> most distinct sound. Guys were using more obscure guitars (like
> Jaguars) and playing through vintage equipment. Why? Because that's
> what they could afford. But it created a whole movement away from
> the "big three" that existed before -- there were lead guitarists,
> but they played solos your average joe could play, but they retained
> the energy of punk.
>
> Yet I digress.... see, the main essence of grunge was the sound --
> not what scale they were using or how fast they were playing. This
> was the first time I remember tone being a major issue. Then again,
> Eric Johnson used to believe that he could tell the difference
> between battery brands when used in his pedals.
>
> I, personally, have been tone-obsessed for a looooong time, well
> before surf even. But now that I've "found a home" playing surf
> guitar, I have immersed myself into getting "that" sound. Of course,
> it's been probably somewhere between $3000 and $5000 over the last 3
> years, but looking at my present arsenal, I know it's been worth
> every penny.
>
> ~Bill~
>
> PS - As far as strat questions are concerned, ask Ivan of the Space
> Cossacks, he swears by strats.
Bravo! well stated, ohsyrus!
dp
--- ohsyrus <> wrote:
> As Duke Ellington once said, if it sounds good, it IS
> good.
>
> Tone is in the fingers. You can own 20,000 worth of
> equipment, know
> every scale in every mode and every diminished 9th and
> 11th chord on
> the fretboard, and still be boring--or worse yet, bored.
>
> Teisco Del Rey plays great music on cheap ass guitars. No
> amount of
> knowledge, technique, or equipment will ever trump
> spirit, passion,
> and soul, tastefully executed. Django R. and Jerry G.
> didn't even have
> all their fingers--yet both were revolutionary on the
> instrument--and
> were self taught. Tone and chops are never
> antagonistic--they're tools
> to be put to use in the achievement of a higher
> objective. Neither is
> an end in itself. Neither is a substitute for talent and
> creative vision.
>
>
> --- In , "Bill Bergstrom"
> <swingin_cat@h...> wrote:
> > Despite my being much shorter in the tooth than most
> who post on this
> > list, I think I can pinpoint what made the change for
> me: Grunge.
> > See, before then, there were three tiers of music:
> > 1) "Stupid guitar" - mainly punk
> > 2) "Mid-Level" - rock music at the time, some less
> complex metal
> > 3) "ridiculous" - complex metal, Vai, Satriani, Yngwie
> (along with
> > Abba, the pride of my homeland!), Eric Johnson, etc.
> >
> > Then along came this music "grunge", and it had perhaps
> the newest,
> > most distinct sound. Guys were using more obscure
> guitars (like
> > Jaguars) and playing through vintage equipment. Why?
> Because that's
> > what they could afford. But it created a whole
> movement away from
> > the "big three" that existed before -- there were lead
> guitarists,
> > but they played solos your average joe could play, but
> they retained
> > the energy of punk.
> >
> > Yet I digress.... see, the main essence of grunge was
> the sound --
> > not what scale they were using or how fast they were
> playing. This
> > was the first time I remember tone being a major issue.
> Then again,
> > Eric Johnson used to believe that he could tell the
> difference
> > between battery brands when used in his pedals.
> >
> > I, personally, have been tone-obsessed for a looooong
> time, well
> > before surf even. But now that I've "found a home"
> playing surf
> > guitar, I have immersed myself into getting "that"
> sound. Of course,
> > it's been probably somewhere between $3000 and $5000
> over the last 3
> > years, but looking at my present arsenal, I know it's
> been worth
> > every penny.
> >
> > ~Bill~
> >
> > PS - As far as strat questions are concerned, ask Ivan
> of the Space
> > Cossacks, he swears by strats.
>
>
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