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A Buzz stop is this tube that lays across the strings behind the bridge on a
Jaguar/Jazzmaster. You screw it down behind your bridge using existing trem
plate screws in order to increase the down angle of the strings across the
bridge saddles. They say it increases sustain and keeps the strings in
place. Shouldn't a shimmed neck do the same thing though?
I've seen photos of Dave Wronksi use one on a Jag, and I saw Rick Mills of
the Volcanos use one on his MIJ Jazzmaster. Others folks on the Fender Forum
swear they are unnecessary and are a tool of the devil. Opinions?
Does it mess up the trem?
And this is to Dave W: has Fender ever considered reissuing a modern version
of the Jag/JM? Or are we just lucky enough to have the mighty fine American
Vintage reissues? My only wish would be to have a trem arm that screwed in.
I'm sick of constantly putting teflon tape on it to get it to stay in one
place. The metal on the MIA collets doesn't seem to bend either, I've broken
two trying to re-fit it to the arm. I've noticed that Dave W's Jag is
heavily modded and was just wondering if these ever may find themselves put
onto an updated model.
Thanks,
BN
Brian, when I was setting up my MIJ Jag, I considered a Buzz Stop. To
see how it would work, I took a 1/4 dia., 2.5 inch brass tube and
drilled two holes in it for the trem screws. I added it, and it did
solve buzzing problems and strings skipping off the saddles. Then, I
went back to the workbench and set everything up to spec, removed the
buzz stop, added some Graph Tech saddles, and "Voila", I didn't need
the homemade buzz stop anymore. Correctly set up, the guitar hardware
should all work together.
So, you might try a homemade buzz stop before spending the bucks.
I had the same problem with my trem bar, then I used some thin wire
wrapped around the base of the bar to create a bulb that holds the bar
inside the collet (you have to remove the trem assembly to do this). A
blob of solder might work, but I don't know how well the chrome would
take solder. Anyway, now I can't take the whammy bar off the guitar,
but that's fine, it doesn't interfere with my case. Beats taping all
the time.
I'm all for Fender making some new Jags, similar to the custom shop
surf guitar stripped down controls, no switch plates, etc. Hope word
gets back to the Fender folks.
Gavin
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bneal@i...> wrote:
> A Buzz stop is this tube etc.
Gavin Ehringer wrote:
> I'm all for Fender making some new Jags, similar to the custom shop
> surf guitar stripped down controls, no switch plates, etc. Hope word
> gets back to the Fender folks.
>
> Gavin
Heh. Yeah - that'd be cool. A guitar built specifically for surf music -
the Fender Surfmaster, or Surfcaster, or something...
Think a petition would work?
-c*
I'm not sure if my question deals with type of email string or not
but...
Some of you may remember I got a used Silvertone off EBAY
around Christmas and began messing around with playing surf. Lately
I have been delving into speed picking and I noticed that my low E
string "buzzes" a lot. The string seems to be looser than the others
and I get kind of like a string slapping the neck sound (for lack of
a better description). I took it to the shop but they couldn't do
much for me. Do I have any options?
Kevin
--- In , cobalt <Christophert@s...>
wrote:
>
>
> Gavin Ehringer wrote:
>
> > I'm all for Fender making some new Jags, similar to the custom
shop
> > surf guitar stripped down controls, no switch plates, etc. Hope
word
> > gets back to the Fender folks.
> >
> > Gavin
>
> Heh. Yeah - that'd be cool. A guitar built specifically for surf
music -
> the Fender Surfmaster, or Surfcaster, or something...
>
> Think a petition would work?
>
> -c*
Kevin,
what's the scale length on your Silvertone? I bought a Silvertone/Danelectro
when I was in high school but didn't realize it was a short scale model. The
shorter the scale the more rubbery the strings. And what gauge strings are you
using. According to Dick Dale you can't get the real deal Dick Dale sound
without seriously heavy gauge strings. Dick uses: .016, .018, .020 (plain),
.038,
.048, .058 or .060. So far I haven't an off-the-shelf set of strings with
these gauges. I've been mixing and matching but a detuning or jazz set gets the
job done.
G.T.
The Deadbeats
and Hot Rod Boox
Kevin,
Does your guitar have adjustable saddles?
If so try to highten the low string a bit (and put some soft mouse pad
piece under the saddle).
I know this sounds riduculous, but it worked for me.
I got rid of the anoying metal low e string rattle this way.
I do mean a hard mouse pad (the thin ones) not the bug soft ones...you
only need a very small piece that goes under the saddle, so it won't be
visible. I didn't affect my sound.
Jerry
-----Original Message-----
From: kkamphaus [mailto:]
Sent: donderdag 3 juli 2003 19:47
To:
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: To Buzz Stop or Not to Buzz Stop... /
Modern Jag/JM's
I'm not sure if my question deals with type of email string or not
but...
Some of you may remember I got a used Silvertone off EBAY
around Christmas and began messing around with playing surf. Lately
I have been delving into speed picking and I noticed that my low E
string "buzzes" a lot. The string seems to be looser than the others
and I get kind of like a string slapping the neck sound (for lack of
a better description). I took it to the shop but they couldn't do
much for me. Do I have any options?
Kevin
--- In , cobalt <Christophert@s...>
wrote:
>
>
> Gavin Ehringer wrote:
>
> > I'm all for Fender making some new Jags, similar to the custom
shop
> > surf guitar - stripped down controls, no switch plates, etc. Hope
word
> > gets back to the Fender folks.
> >
> > Gavin
>
> Heh. Yeah - that'd be cool. A guitar built specifically for surf
music -
> the Fender Surfmaster, or Surfcaster, or something...
>
> Think a petition would work?
>
> -c*
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Funny that you mention raising the saddle Jerry. When I first got
the guitar I noticed all of the saddles were raised the max and the
first time I took it in to the shop that was the first thing they
changed. They lowered the saddles and moved them forward or back as
needed (or as they thought it needed).
Kevin
--- In , "Jerry" <jerry.soetewey@b...>
wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> Does your guitar have adjustable saddles?
> If so try to highten the low string a bit (and put some soft mouse
pad
> piece under the saddle).
> I know this sounds riduculous, but it worked for me.
> I got rid of the anoying metal low e string rattle this way.
>
> I do mean a hard mouse pad (the thin ones) not the bug soft
ones...you
> only need a very small piece that goes under the saddle, so it
won't be
> visible. I didn't affect my sound.
>
> Jerry
>
This may sound silly, but how long has it been since
you changed the strings? The only time I had a
problem like that was because the wrapping on my E
string had actually come loose from the core, which
created all kinds of awful noise. I also use .11's on
everything.
Richard
--- kkamphaus <>
wrote:
> Funny that you mention raising the saddle Jerry.
> When I first got
> the guitar I noticed all of the saddles were raised
> the max and the
> first time I took it in to the shop that was the
> first thing they
> changed. They lowered the saddles and moved them
> forward or back as
> needed (or as they thought it needed).
>
> Kevin
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--- In , Richard <errant_jedi@y...>
wrote:
> how long has it been since
> you changed the strings?
I changed the strings about a month and a half ago and I
switched to flat wound .10s. I log in about 3.5 hours of playing per
week - tops.
Kevin
--- In , "Jerry" <jerry.soetewey@b...>
wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> Does your guitar have adjustable saddles?
Do I need a special tool to do this?
Kevin
Whoa! If you put those gage strings on a Silvertone, you'll probably
snap the neck. If the neck doesn't snaaaaapppp, then the strings would
never fit the nut without filing. Fine to try extra heavy strings on a
Fender Strat, maybe, but tread litely when changing string gages on
any guitar you could create more problems than you solve.
Anyway, Dick is just one player. Most of the early surf bands got by
with much lighter gage strings, like 10s, 11s and 12s.
Besides, those big heavies are punishing.
Gavin
You're Silvertone probably needs a good going over by a decent guitar
maker/tech, if the little tweaks don't work to fix it. We're talking,
what, a 40-year-old guitar here? It probably deserves a little TLC
that only a skilled luthier can give. Raising the high-E is probably
the first thing to try, however.
According to Dick Dale you can't get the real deal Dick Dale sound
> without seriously heavy gauge strings. Dick uses: .016, .018, .020
(plain), .038,
> .048, .058 or .060. So far I haven't an off-the-shelf set of strings
with
> these gauges. I've been mixing and matching but a detuning or jazz
set gets the
> job done.
>
> G.T.
> The Deadbeats
> and Hot Rod Boox
Not having seen your guitar, I would be inclined to agree with Gavin. Does
the damn thing even have a truss rod? If not, then forget about the Dick
Dale sized strings. I would try raising the low E saddle as well and
adjusting the intonation. As far as special tools, just look at the saddles.
You'll probably need a small screwdriver of some kind. There is some more
basic setup advice at Fender's customer support site:
Its not geared to Silvertones per se, but there is some useful info there.
A silver tone should be able to handle a set of 10's or 11's I would
think....?
BN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gavin Ehringer [mailto:]
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:44 PM
> To:
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: To Buzz Stop or Not to Buzz Stop... /
> Modern Jag/JM's
>
>
> Whoa! If you put those gage strings on a Silvertone, you'll probably
> snap the neck. If the neck doesn't snaaaaapppp, then the strings would
> never fit the nut without filing. Fine to try extra heavy strings on a
> Fender Strat, maybe, but tread litely when changing string gages on
> any guitar you could create more problems than you solve.
>
> Anyway, Dick is just one player. Most of the early surf bands got by
> with much lighter gage strings, like 10s, 11s and 12s.
>
> Besides, those big heavies are punishing.
>
> Gavin
>
> You're Silvertone probably needs a good going over by a decent guitar
> maker/tech, if the little tweaks don't work to fix it. We're talking,
> what, a 40-year-old guitar here? It probably deserves a little TLC
> that only a skilled luthier can give. Raising the high-E is probably
> the first thing to try, however.
>
>
>
> According to Dick Dale you can't get the real deal Dick Dale sound
> > without seriously heavy gauge strings. Dick uses: .016, .018, .020
> (plain), .038,
> > .048, .058 or .060. So far I haven't an off-the-shelf set of strings
> with
> > these gauges. I've been mixing and matching but a detuning or jazz
> set gets the
> > job done.
> >
> > G.T.
> > The Deadbeats
> > and Hot Rod Boox
Hi Brian, I need a Buzz-Stop to give the string some back pressure
against the bridge saddle. It makes the guitar sound more solid, and
can better respond to aggressive picking. I have a really clean '63
jag that doesn't seem to need one. I've only played one gig with it
{Jon&NR}, but it didn't seem to need one. Maybe it would be even
better if it had a BuzzStop. I talked to them at the NAMM Show, and
found they will be making a saddle for Jag/Jazz that is a better
shape than what they have offered in the past. It slopes down more in
the front to let the string ring more.
As far as varied Jag designs, I had an idea for a guitar that has now
been built by the same Master Builder that made the Surf Jag. The two
he has made have a humbucker at the bridge position, but mine will
have two Jag pick-ups. I hope to bring it on the Slacktone Euro tour
this month. I'll put a picture of it in the photo section.
The guitar has a Jag neck{24" scale}, Jag tailpiece and bridge. There
is extra neck angle to hel the back pressure issue.
I've also been talking to some people about the loose trem bar
problem. I may take that one on myself,with the help of a machinist
friend.
gotta go to Hollywood now to play at Lava Lounge with Pollo Del Mar
and the Phantom Riders!
-dave
I do also want to try the GraphTech saddles. AAA--- In, "Brian Neal" <bneal@i...> wrote:
> A Buzz stop is this tube that lays across the strings behind the
bridge on a
> Jaguar/Jazzmaster. You screw it down behind your bridge using
existing trem
> plate screws in order to increase the down angle of the strings
across the
> bridge saddles. They say it increases sustain and keeps the strings
in
> place. Shouldn't a shimmed neck do the same thing though?
>
> I've seen photos of Dave Wronksi use one on a Jag, and I saw Rick
Mills of
> the Volcanos use one on his MIJ Jazzmaster. Others folks on the
Fender Forum
> swear they are unnecessary and are a tool of the devil. Opinions?
>
> Does it mess up the trem?
>
> And this is to Dave W: has Fender ever considered reissuing a
modern version
> of the Jag/JM? Or are we just lucky enough to have the mighty fine
American
> Vintage reissues? My only wish would be to have a trem arm that
screwed in.
> I'm sick of constantly putting teflon tape on it to get it to stay
in one
> place. The metal on the MIA collets doesn't seem to bend either,
I've broken
> two trying to re-fit it to the arm. I've noticed that Dave W's Jag
is
> heavily modded and was just wondering if these ever may find
themselves put
> onto an updated model.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BN
Hey Brian,
I had a '94 red MIJ Jaguar that had terrible intonation. I shimmed the neck
to no avail. Then, I got a Buzz Stop and that fixed the intonation problem.
The Buzz Stop increases the strings' angle of descent behind the bridge a
lot more than shimming the neck will. Also, it did increase the sustain a
bit. It didn't mess up the trem any, either. What I didn't like about the
Buzz Stop is that my jag didn't sound as glassy. That great Jaguar sound,
which I love, and whatever it is, just wasn't as noticeable. It sounded more
like a strat after I put the Buzz Stop on it.
I sold that Jaguar on eBay to a guy in Paris and I left the Buzz Stop on
when I shipped it to him. He was real happy with it.
I hope that helps. By the way, I've been debating about making the drive to
Indianapolis on July 12 and, due to the fact that the Nebulas are also
playing in Akron at the Lime Spider on July 11, have decided not to do it
this year. I'm gonna really miss seeing the Troubadours and Destination:
Earth! again, but, two things are helping to ease my guilt over not going.
The first is that I decided to put the mileage on the car this Saturday,
when I'm doing the "Rockin' & Surfin'" show for Rockin' Robert on WAIF in
Cincinnati. Rockin' Robert has had his show going since 1981. So, I'm
driving down to Cinti tomorrow. His show is Saturday, 6-8 p.m. EST and it's
webcast at waif883.org/
The other thing that is helping me to not feel so bad about missing the Indy
gig is that it now looks like VonRippers, from Chicago, are opening for
SumpPump Monkeys and the Nebulas on Friday, July 11. I've never seen
VonRippers, but I'm sure they put on a great show.
That's all from me.
Tom
> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:13:14 -0500
> From: "Brian Neal" <>
> Subject: To Buzz Stop or Not to Buzz Stop... / Modern Jag/JM's
>
> A Buzz stop is this tube that lays across the strings behind the bridge on
a
> Jaguar/Jazzmaster. You screw it down behind your bridge using existing
trem
> plate screws in order to increase the down angle of the strings across the
> bridge saddles. They say it increases sustain and keeps the strings in
> place. Shouldn't a shimmed neck do the same thing though?
>
> I've seen photos of Dave Wronksi use one on a Jag, and I saw Rick Mills of
> the Volcanos use one on his MIJ Jazzmaster. Others folks on the Fender
Forum
> swear they are unnecessary and are a tool of the devil. Opinions?
>
> Does it mess up the trem?
>
> And this is to Dave W: has Fender ever considered reissuing a modern
version
> of the Jag/JM? Or are we just lucky enough to have the mighty fine
American
> Vintage reissues? My only wish would be to have a trem arm that screwed
in.
> I'm sick of constantly putting teflon tape on it to get it to stay in one
> place. The metal on the MIA collets doesn't seem to bend either, I've
broken
> two trying to re-fit it to the arm. I've noticed that Dave W's Jag is
> heavily modded and was just wondering if these ever may find themselves
put
> onto an updated model.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BN
I don't use a buzz-stop on either my '65 or MIA re-issue Jaguar (or
my MIA JM), all of which are dynamite instruments.
I use flatwound Addario Chromes, 11-52.
My guitar guy shims the neck and screws down the bridge so it doesn't
rock. The strings stay put at the bridge, and don't buzz.
I've had some trouble with my G string popping out at the nut on
my '65, but that's been solved by putting sufficient windings around
the tuner, so the string comes off the tuner and hits the nut at a
steeper angle than if there were only two windings (I may not be
expressing this well, but it works).
Incidentally, I like my trem bar to stay in one place, rather than
swing loosely, so it's a delicate operation to get the bar deep
enough that it won't fall out, but not so deep that it swings freely.
It can be a drag at gigs, when I'm struggling through the first song
or two to get the trem bar just right.
By the way, if there are any Toronto members, my band ("The
Eradicators" is playing the Cadillac Lounge on Friday, July 18,
you're all welcome to check us out.
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bneal@i...> wrote:
> A Buzz stop is this tube that lays across the strings behind the
bridge on a
> Jaguar/Jazzmaster. You screw it down behind your bridge using
existing trem
> plate screws in order to increase the down angle of the strings
across the
> bridge saddles. They say it increases sustain and keeps the strings
in
> place. Shouldn't a shimmed neck do the same thing though?
>
> I've seen photos of Dave Wronksi use one on a Jag, and I saw Rick
Mills of
> the Volcanos use one on his MIJ Jazzmaster. Others folks on the
Fender Forum
> swear they are unnecessary and are a tool of the devil. Opinions?
>
> Does it mess up the trem?
>
> And this is to Dave W: has Fender ever considered reissuing a
modern version
> of the Jag/JM? Or are we just lucky enough to have the mighty fine
American
> Vintage reissues? My only wish would be to have a trem arm that
screwed in.
> I'm sick of constantly putting teflon tape on it to get it to stay
in one
> place. The metal on the MIA collets doesn't seem to bend either,
I've broken
> two trying to re-fit it to the arm. I've noticed that Dave W's Jag
is
> heavily modded and was just wondering if these ever may find
themselves put
> onto an updated model.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BN
> By the way, if there are any Toronto members, my band ("The
> Eradicators" is playing the Cadillac Lounge on Friday, July 18,
> you're all welcome to check us out.
This Toronto member will almost certainly be there. Thanks for letting me know.
--
Malcolm
My tour diary:
Hi,
I also don't use a Buzzstop on my Jazzmaster.
I did alter the Bridge recently and swapped the original Jazzmaster
saddles with single Telecaster saddles.
I know this sounds very weird, but it works for me. No more buzzing and
no more strings wobbling on the saddles.
I used to have the Mustang bridge dut this didn't do it for me, a lot of
buzzing and I didn't like the way the strings lay on the guitar. The
High and Low E to low and the D and G to high from the PU. Since it
didn't have adjustable saddles. I like my sound a lot more now.
It also feels that I got a bit more sustain which is good to compete
with the Stratocaster from the other guitarist in the band I play.
The Idea came from the local guitar tech after he inspected the
Jazzmaster with the Mustan bridge. I used locktide after adjusting the
saddles and everything stays nicely in tune and in position as it was
set up. It also has the same feel as the original Jazzmaster bridge but
without the anoyment. I also feel that most of the rattling comes from
the trem arm, but as pointed out before, Teflon or other alternatives do
the job nicely.
I repaired a old Aria Diamond recently, a late 60ties Mustang copy and
it had a nice saddle system for the trem. It used some kind of rolling
saddles, so when the trem is used the strings rols on the saddle, works
really good, less string friction there. My old Tesco Del Ray-ish guitar
has a simelar system. For some reason these don't rattle as much as my
Jazzmaster used too.
Cool, Malcolm, hope to see you there.
We're opening for another band (a friend of a friend-- don't even
know their name!) so we're going on at 9:30 p.m. on Jul 18.
Be sure to say hello!
rio
--- In , MalcolmO <MalcolmO@c...> wrote:
> > By the way, if there are any Toronto members, my band ("The
> > Eradicators" is playing the Cadillac Lounge on Friday, July 18,
> > you're all welcome to check us out.
>
> This Toronto member will almost certainly be there. Thanks for
letting me know.
> --
> Malcolm
> My tour diary:
>
> Hope to meet you in person there.
That's the event I'm passing on because it includes food. That said, Friday
is more affordably priced for someone who's skipping dinner.
And the Shadows Club looks very interesting indeed.
--
Malcolm
My tour diary:
--- In , MalcolmO <MalcolmO@c...> wrote:
> > Hope to meet you in person there.
>
> That's the event I'm passing on because it includes food. That
said, Friday
> is more affordably priced for someone who's skipping dinner.
Ah, yes, that's right, I remember! Have you tried explaining your
situation, and seeing if you can get in for less? I'd be happy to
help you in this endeavor, just let me know.
Ivan
