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Ivan,all,
Sorry for the late response but here's my little tale of Dick's
dark side.
At all of his shows I've seen,he always says go to his web site and
check it out, and e-mail him if you want.
So after 20 or so gigs I finally decide to check it out and e-mail
himm to thank him for helping create a Music I love so much.
And also ask him if he ever watches any of the bands he plays with,
(not just surf but any style).
So he comes back with "I don't Play Surf,I play Dick Dale Music".
And ask's me If I think he's an ass because he doesn't watch or
care about any of the other bands. Mind you I asked if he does watch
other bands.It went on and on and got ugly,like I figured it would.
But I'm with Ivan on this one,how would it hurt him to put in a
plug for all the little surf bands out there.
I will see him every now and then, especially if it's on a big
bill with other surf bands.But I'm not going to go to every gig,or
worship at his feet like some do. He plays real Fast and Heavy, but
that don't make up for being a complete ass.
my 2 cents
Jeff(bigtikidude)
:In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
There was something that bothered me about this chain of logic, but I
> couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think I've got it now.
> The fact is that players like BB King, and other elder statesmen of
> jazz and blues guitarists have often acted in ways that promoted
> their respective genres, helped the younger players get spotlight,
> gigs, etc., and were often quite happy when these younger guys made
> it. DD has NEVER done that. In fact, I have heard many reports
that
> he's often quite upset when booked with a surf band. DD has never
> been supportive of not only younger players and bands, but the
GENRE
> itself. DD only supports and promotes himself. He's often said
that
> the only way to play surf music is to play exactly like him.
> Nevermind that there are other styles of surf music out there. He's
> never even acknowledged the fact that the sixties California surf
> music scene was NOT only about him, but that there were many other
> bands creating their own styles. Has anyone ever heard or seen him
> even speak the name "Paul Johnson"? I haven't. It's hard to
> remember now, but at one of the shows I've seen him I believe he
even
> referred to "Pipeline" as his song!
>
> I'm still a huge fan of DD's '60s work, and will probably always
love
> it to death. In my 'music room' (one part of the basement, stuffed
> with amps and guitars) I have a great poster from 2000's Rendezvous
> Reunion show that features him from circa '62-'63, short hair,
square
> jaw, in a suit, fit, wielding his Strat when it was still white,
and
> before it got the silly gold paintjob. That's the DD that I
> idolize. But as far as I'm concerned, the man doesn't deserve any
of
> our loyalty today. He definitely had a chance to be the spokesman
> for our scene and make it larger and healthier, but he's only a
> spokesman for himself. It's hard to like a guy like that, and I
> frankly don't. I still have an enormous amount of admiration for
his
> talent and his hard work, and many of his songs. That's all he
> deserves. Just imagine if in all those interviews he had done
since
> Pulp Fiction he said "I'd like to talk about the surf scene today.
> You may not know but there are dozens if not hundreds of bands all
> over the world, from Japan to Canada to Holland to Croatia to
Brazil
> and most everywhere else that are keeping this music alive and
> healthy. In fact, some of them are creating music as good or
better
> than the best of the '60s, and certainly better than any of this
crap
> that's on the charts today. Why don't you check them out?" In
> return, I bet that these bands that could have been discovered
would
> be happy to talk about DD's importance to surf music and he may get
> more fans as a result. DD would deserve all our accolades, and as
> much as BB King, in such a scenario. As it is, no. Sorry.
>
> To see the way it should be done, with class, just look at Bruce
> Welch of the Shadows and the annual Shadowmania festival that he
puts
> on, featuring younger Shadows-style bands from all over the world
> playing the entire day, with his own version of the Shadows closing
> the show. He's done it last five years, and it usually draws 1000-
> 1500 people.
Well, if all the clubs started promoting him as "King of the Dick Dale guitar"
instead of "King of the Surf Guitar," he'd hardly make enough money to feed his
ocelots. I don't know why he won't admit (even in the third person) that Dick
Dale was one of the founders (not the only founder) of surf music, but it was
the revival of surf music as a whole that allowed him to be gainfully employed
as a musician - not just the fact that he can play loud & fast & decided to
start performing again. Whether he wants to see the light of the torches that
other bands are carrying on is his choice - it obviously won't affect him one
way or another, but already there are musicians who are being inspired by the
new wave of pioneers like MOAM, Los Straitjackets and the other established
instro acts & it may take them a few steps to discover the roots, which include
many other artists in addition to Dick Dale, but in another 10 years, people
will be talking about this sci-fi-themed band that didn't sing (much) and put
out a CD way back in '93 called Is it Man..or Astroman? - and those little punk
asses will be shelling out $3000 for a MIJ Jaguar, or $5000 for a reissue Twin
circa 1998.
The biggest paradox I see is between his support for his grassroots fanbase and
his attempts to distance himself from the motherf*cker of all grassroots music
genres - surf. I'm sorry, but your not going to have appreciative fans,
albeit surf fanatics like Big Tiki Dude and others, showering you with genuine
cyber praise just because your voice was "on" when you sang "House of the
Rising Sun" the other night when they were drunk. Most people respect him
because he was instrumental (no pun intended) in developing the music they love
toofastjim (I don't play surf music, I play The Nebulas music)
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To:
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:13 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: re; Dick Dale(a little late)
Ivan,all,
Sorry for the late response but here's my little tale of Dick's
dark side.
At all of his shows I've seen,he always says go to his web site and
check it out, and e-mail him if you want.
So after 20 or so gigs I finally decide to check it out and e-mail
himm to thank him for helping create a Music I love so much.
And also ask him if he ever watches any of the bands he plays with,
(not just surf but any style).
So he comes back with "I don't Play Surf,I play Dick Dale Music".
And ask's me If I think he's an ass because he doesn't watch or
care about any of the other bands. Mind you I asked if he does watch
other bands.It went on and on and got ugly,like I figured it would.
But I'm with Ivan on this one,how would it hurt him to put in a
plug for all the little surf bands out there.
I will see him every now and then, especially if it's on a big
bill with other surf bands.But I'm not going to go to every gig,or
worship at his feet like some do. He plays real Fast and Heavy, but
that don't make up for being a complete ass.
my 2 cents
Jeff(bigtikidude)
:In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
There was something that bothered me about this chain of logic, but I
> couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think I've got it now.
> The fact is that players like BB King, and other elder statesmen of
> jazz and blues guitarists have often acted in ways that promoted
> their respective genres, helped the younger players get spotlight,
> gigs, etc., and were often quite happy when these younger guys made
> it. DD has NEVER done that. In fact, I have heard many reports
that
> he's often quite upset when booked with a surf band. DD has never
> been supportive of not only younger players and bands, but the
GENRE
> itself. DD only supports and promotes himself. He's often said
that
> the only way to play surf music is to play exactly like him.
> Nevermind that there are other styles of surf music out there. He's
> never even acknowledged the fact that the sixties California surf
> music scene was NOT only about him, but that there were many other
> bands creating their own styles. Has anyone ever heard or seen him
> even speak the name "Paul Johnson"? I haven't. It's hard to
> remember now, but at one of the shows I've seen him I believe he
even
> referred to "Pipeline" as his song!
>
> I'm still a huge fan of DD's '60s work, and will probably always
love
> it to death. In my 'music room' (one part of the basement, stuffed
> with amps and guitars) I have a great poster from 2000's Rendezvous
> Reunion show that features him from circa '62-'63, short hair,
square
> jaw, in a suit, fit, wielding his Strat when it was still white,
and
> before it got the silly gold paintjob. That's the DD that I
> idolize. But as far as I'm concerned, the man doesn't deserve any
of
> our loyalty today. He definitely had a chance to be the spokesman
> for our scene and make it larger and healthier, but he's only a
> spokesman for himself. It's hard to like a guy like that, and I
> frankly don't. I still have an enormous amount of admiration for
his
> talent and his hard work, and many of his songs. That's all he
> deserves. Just imagine if in all those interviews he had done
since
> Pulp Fiction he said "I'd like to talk about the surf scene today.
> You may not know but there are dozens if not hundreds of bands all
> over the world, from Japan to Canada to Holland to Croatia to
Brazil
> and most everywhere else that are keeping this music alive and
> healthy. In fact, some of them are creating music as good or
better
> than the best of the '60s, and certainly better than any of this
crap
> that's on the charts today. Why don't you check them out?" In
> return, I bet that these bands that could have been discovered
would
> be happy to talk about DD's importance to surf music and he may get
> more fans as a result. DD would deserve all our accolades, and as
> much as BB King, in such a scenario. As it is, no. Sorry.
>
> To see the way it should be done, with class, just look at Bruce
> Welch of the Shadows and the annual Shadowmania festival that he
puts
> on, featuring younger Shadows-style bands from all over the world
> playing the entire day, with his own version of the Shadows closing
> the show. He's done it last five years, and it usually draws 1000-
> 1500 people.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
i alway thought it was kindof sad when Dick Dale tried to
sing...It's kind of funny that the Fender reverb unit was
"invented to help DD's singing". Man, I still can't
believe that there are engineer's and producers out there
who actually encouraged that gyt to sing.
cheers,
dp
--- toofastjim <> wrote:
> Well, if all the clubs started promoting him as "King of
> the Dick Dale guitar" instead of "King of the Surf
> Guitar," he'd hardly make enough money to feed his
> ocelots. I don't know why he won't admit (even in the
> third person) that Dick Dale was one of the founders (not
> the only founder) of surf music, but it was the revival
> of surf music as a whole that allowed him to be gainfully
> employed as a musician - not just the fact that he can
> play loud & fast & decided to start performing again.
> Whether he wants to see the light of the torches that
> other bands are carrying on is his choice - it obviously
> won't affect him one way or another, but already there
> are musicians who are being inspired by the new wave of
> pioneers like MOAM, Los Straitjackets and the other
> established instro acts & it may take them a few steps to
> discover the roots, which include many other artists in
> addition to Dick Dale, but in another 10 years, people
> will be talking about this sci-fi-themed band that didn't
> sing (much) and put out a CD way back in '93 called Is it
> Man..or Astroman? - and those little punk asses will be
> shelling out $3000 for a MIJ Jaguar, or $5000 for a
> reissue Twin circa 1998.
>
> The biggest paradox I see is between his support for his
> grassroots fanbase and his attempts to distance himself
> from the motherf*cker of all grassroots music genres -
> surf. I'm sorry, but your not going to have
> appreciative fans, albeit surf fanatics like Big Tiki
> Dude and others, showering you with genuine cyber praise
> just because your voice was "on" when you sang "House of
> the Rising Sun" the other night when they were drunk.
> Most people respect him because he was instrumental (no
> pun intended) in developing the music they love
>
>
> toofastjim (I don't play surf music, I play The Nebulas
> music)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:13 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: re; Dick Dale(a little
> late)
>
>
> Ivan,all,
> Sorry for the late response but here's my little tale
> of Dick's
> dark side.
> At all of his shows I've seen,he always says go to his
> web site and
> check it out, and e-mail him if you want.
> So after 20 or so gigs I finally decide to check it out
> and e-mail
> himm to thank him for helping create a Music I love so
> much.
> And also ask him if he ever watches any of the bands he
> plays with,
> (not just surf but any style).
> So he comes back with "I don't Play Surf,I play Dick
> Dale Music".
> And ask's me If I think he's an ass because he doesn't
> watch or
> care about any of the other bands. Mind you I asked if
> he does watch
> other bands.It went on and on and got ugly,like I
> figured it would.
> But I'm with Ivan on this one,how would it hurt him
> to put in a
> plug for all the little surf bands out there.
> I will see him every now and then, especially if
> it's on a big
> bill with other surf bands.But I'm not going to go to
> every gig,or
> worship at his feet like some do. He plays real Fast
> and Heavy, but
> that don't make up for being a complete ass.
>
> my 2 cents
> Jeff(bigtikidude)
>
>
> :In , "ipongrac"
> <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> There was something that bothered me about this chain
> of logic, but I
> > couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think I've got
> it now.
> > The fact is that players like BB King, and other
> elder statesmen of
> > jazz and blues guitarists have often acted in ways
> that promoted
> > their respective genres, helped the younger players
> get spotlight,
> > gigs, etc., and were often quite happy when these
> younger guys made
> > it. DD has NEVER done that. In fact, I have heard
> many reports
> that
> > he's often quite upset when booked with a surf band.
> DD has never
> > been supportive of not only younger players and
> bands, but the
> GENRE
> > itself. DD only supports and promotes himself. He's
> often said
> that
> > the only way to play surf music is to play exactly
> like him.
> > Nevermind that there are other styles of surf music
> out there. He's
> > never even acknowledged the fact that the sixties
> California surf
> > music scene was NOT only about him, but that there
> were many other
> > bands creating their own styles. Has anyone ever
> heard or seen him
> > even speak the name "Paul Johnson"? I haven't. It's
> hard to
> > remember now, but at one of the shows I've seen him I
> believe he
> even
> > referred to "Pipeline" as his song!
> >
> > I'm still a huge fan of DD's '60s work, and will
> probably always
> love
> > it to death. In my 'music room' (one part of the
> basement, stuffed
> > with amps and guitars) I have a great poster from
> 2000's Rendezvous
> > Reunion show that features him from circa '62-'63,
> short hair,
> square
> > jaw, in a suit, fit, wielding his Strat when it was
> still white,
> and
> > before it got the silly gold paintjob. That's the DD
> that I
> > idolize. But as far as I'm concerned, the man
> doesn't deserve any
> of
> > our loyalty today. He definitely had a chance to be
> the spokesman
> > for our scene and make it larger and healthier, but
> he's only a
> > spokesman for himself. It's hard to like a guy like
> that, and I
> > frankly don't. I still have an enormous amount of
> admiration for
> his
> > talent and his hard work, and many of his songs.
> That's all he
> > deserves. Just imagine if in all those interviews he
> had done
> since
> > Pulp Fiction he said "I'd like to talk about the surf
> scene today.
> > You may not know but there are dozens if not hundreds
> of bands all
> > over the world, from Japan to Canada to Holland to
> Croatia to
> Brazil
> > and most everywhere else that are keeping this music
> alive and
> > healthy. In fact, some of them are creating music as
> good or
> better
> > than the best of the '60s, and certainly better than
> any of this
> crap
> > that's on the charts today. Why don't you check them
> out?" In
> > return, I bet that these bands that could have been
> discovered
> would
> > be happy to talk about DD's importance to surf music
> and he may get
> > more fans as a result. DD would deserve all our
> accolades, and as
> > much as BB King, in such a scenario. As it is, no.
> Sorry.
> >
> > To see the way it should be done, with class, just
> look at Bruce
> > Welch of the Shadows and the annual Shadowmania
> festival that he
> puts
> > on, featuring younger Shadows-style bands from all
> over the world
> > playing the entire day, with his own version of the
> Shadows closing
> > the show. He's done it last five years, and it
> usually draws 1000-
> > 1500 people.
>
>
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