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Kahuna, right on man! If you surf and play surf music your first hand
knowledge of the sport can help you pick up the vibe. One responder
negatively criticized that viewpoint. He or she obviously
misunderstands my point or is a nonsurfer and has no clue about the
surfing lifestyle to begin with. Surf music like some other forms
started in a small locality then spred throughout the land. Other
musicians stole the thunder so to speak in all due respect. That
doesn't mean if you don't surf don't play surf music. But it can mean
that living the surfing lifestyle can give you a personal attachment
to your music. It is just obvious man. So Kahuna, thanks for picking
up that point and thanks to you other ones out there who have entered
the discussion.
cowellkiki:
I agree that "livin' the life" can enhance the spiritual vibe
expressed in the tunage. For example, the Phantom Surfer's...don't
they have an album dedicated to the exciting sounds of model slot car
racing?
:) dp
--- In , "cowellkiki" <dogfish@S...>
wrote:
> Kahuna, right on man! If you surf and play surf music your first
hand
> knowledge of the sport can help you pick up the vibe. One responder
> negatively criticized that viewpoint. He or she obviously
> misunderstands my point or is a nonsurfer and has no clue about the
> surfing lifestyle to begin with. Surf music like some other forms
> started in a small locality then spred throughout the land. Other
> musicians stole the thunder so to speak in all due respect. That
> doesn't mean if you don't surf don't play surf music. But it can
mean
> that living the surfing lifestyle can give you a personal
attachment
> to your music. It is just obvious man. So Kahuna, thanks for
picking
> up that point and thanks to you other ones out there who have
entered
> the discussion.
I've lived on the ocean, Atlantic and Pacific, all my life and have
been surfing since 1964. Surfing is useless, from my perspective, for
learning how to play the guitar, music theory, or composition.
However, it is a lot of fun. Just what the connection is between
surfing and certain types of tones or rhythmic or melodic motifs is
pretty doggone murky, if you ask me, and leaves out alot of other
metaphors that have been part of the history of instrumental rock and
roll, sci-fi motifs, exotica, spaghetti westerns, or spy movies. Do
you mean, by your assertian, that I have to gun someone down at high
noon, or travel with a robot to Tau Ceti, or throw a victim into an
active volcano, or steal some microfilm and getaway in my
jetpack--before I can write a song that suggests these motifs? Are Man
or Astroman, surfers, or space travellors. Are Double Naught Spy Car
a bunch of secret agents? Do the Tiki Tones go around barefoot in
grass skirts munching on poi?
But I suppose there will always be the "literal minded" who think that
Miserlou was composed by a surfer after a bout with the heavies.
--- In , "cowellkiki" <dogfish@S...> wrote:
> Kahuna, right on man! If you surf and play surf music your first hand
> knowledge of the sport can help you pick up the vibe. One responder
> negatively criticized that viewpoint. He or she obviously
> misunderstands my point or is a nonsurfer and has no clue about the
> surfing lifestyle to begin with. Surf music like some other forms
> started in a small locality then spred throughout the land. Other
> musicians stole the thunder so to speak in all due respect. That
> doesn't mean if you don't surf don't play surf music. But it can mean
> that living the surfing lifestyle can give you a personal attachment
> to your music. It is just obvious man. So Kahuna, thanks for picking
> up that point and thanks to you other ones out there who have entered
> the discussion.
--- ohsyrus <> wrote:
>
> But I suppose there will always be the "literal
> minded" who think that
> Miserlou was composed by a surfer after a bout with
> the heavies.
Well, Dick Dale at least played it to guys who did.
Hence how his version differs from previous once.
To compose proper soundtrack style music (like
Spaghetti or sci-fi) you have to be a proper
soundtrack composer, not the character of the story
being told. Thus all the bands who try to, pale in
comparison to guys like Ennio Morricone. They make
shallow imitations, while still trying to be rock at
the same time. They dont get to the soul core of the
genres.
KK
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--- In , Kahuna Kawentzmann
<kawentzmann@y...> wrote:
> --- ohsyrus <ohsyrus@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > But I suppose there will always be the "literal
> > minded" who think that
> > Miserlou was composed by a surfer after a bout with
> > the heavies.
>
> Well, Dick Dale at least played it to guys who did.
He also played it for guys who didn't. His version sounded different
because he was playing a Stratocaster through a Fender amp.
> Hence how his version differs from previous once.
His arrangement did not differ BECAUSE surfers were in the audience.
There is no causal relationship. What you are describing was a
coincidance, not a design.
>
> To compose proper soundtrack style music (like
> Spaghetti or sci-fi) you have to be a proper
> soundtrack composer, not the character of the story
> being told. Thus all the bands who try to, pale in
> comparison to guys like Ennio Morricone. They make
> shallow imitations, while still trying to be rock at
> the same time. They don't get to the soul core of the
> genres.
Then why are some soundtracks composed of popular top 40 radio songs?
What is "proper soundtrack style music'? The soul core of the genre?
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Were talking about playing the
guitar. Either its good, or it isn't. Either it succeeds, or it fails.
Ennio Morricone didn't write the guitar riffs in the early Spaghetti
Westerns. His guitar player did, and he also suggested the whistle
parts, and the male choruses.
>
> KK
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Well, I dont want to convince anybody anyway. I am a
romantic guy, and when I started surfing my music
changed. I liked the idea of such things not being
incidental. And let me tell you, your carreer can take
a turn for the better, once you start to play FOR your
audience. And I think DD did just that, when he
changed from rockabilly and crooning to instrumentals.
Bruce Brown describes the moment he turned the music
up (he play the Lonely Bull and Ventures and music of
around 1960). The waves were big on the screen, the
kids started screeming, I mean a sold out Santa Monica
Civic uditorium full of kids started screaming, and
Bruce Brown got goose bumps, and turned the music up
even louder. That happens with surfer-type kids. It
does with skaters to. At least DD was in the right
place at that time. Totally unconscious of his
surroundings? Hes too smartfor that. And BB is smart
too, he stopped using cool Jazz.
KK
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