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Dear Dick Dale Bashers.............. I listened to two new wave groups on KFJC
Sat nite. There style favored Dick Dale's. Great Guitar work, original songs,
high energy, one was a trio and the other a guartet. Both lead guitarists had
the Dick Dale tone dialed in. I wonder if they bash there mentor like some seem
to want to do. Matter of fact, many of the new wave bands guitars sound a lot
like Dick Dale. Hmmmmmmmm. Some bend a little to the psycho side, some bend a
little to the Nokie Edwards side, Hmmmmmm. Whats up with that? dogfish
----- Original Message -----
From: DP
To:
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Dick Dale
However...there is something sickly beautiful in the "hunk
of burning love" Elvis...you know the inevitable fall of
the stellar idol and all that depressing jazz. All that
sweat and all those sequined jumpsuits, the quadruple fat
rolls, the strained delivery...the still adoring fans. It's
so freaky and surreal, like a live 3d edward munch painting
with sound.
It's sort of like a great horror movie like Psycho, the
sight is so grotesque that it's captivating and it's almost
a sin to turn away.
dp
--- ohsyrus <> wrote:
> I stand by my opinion. If you want to go see some guy
> whose been
> playing the same stuff for 40 years, go ahead. I'm not
> advocating that
> these geriatrix be outlawed--I'm saying they got nothing
> new to say.
> To me, anyway. You dig it, more power to you. Anybody
> wants to make
> money playing what the people want to hear, fine. But
> that is a
> different problem from finding something new to say. You
> may create
> some music that no one wants to hear. Fine. Do YOU want
> to hear it?
> For some people, that's enough to justify all the years
> of study. Its
> all that the majority of those who take up the instrument
> can EVER
> hope for. ...Anyway, I will always choose the young,
> energetic,
> "That's Alright Mama" Elvis over the fat, bell-bottomed,
> sequined, "My
> Way" Elvis. Your mileage may vary.
>
>
> --- In , "Matthew Speed"
> <mspeed@m...> wrote:
> > > Anybody that goes around playing
> > > the same old material over and over, year in, year
> out, and never
> > > comes up with anything new to say, is just
> embarrassing themselves,
> > > IMHO, and no longer artistically relevant.
> >
> > I have to disagree with you here and respectfully ask
> you to get off
> > your high horse. Live music performance is like being
> a professional
> > athlete. Musicians and athletes are in the unique
> position of
> > getting to do something that they love with very little
>
> > responsibility and whether or not they continue doing
> it is decided
> > by only two things. The first is if they still like to
> do it and the
> > other is if people still pay them to do it. As long as
> those two
> > criteria are met they should do it as long as they can
> because few
> > other jobs short of winning the lottery pay so much
> while requiring
> > so little.
> >
> > Additionally, artistic relevance is, well, irrelevant.
> There are
> > plenty of groups that are paid quite well for doing
> nothing but
> > covers of songs that were "relevant" decades ago.
> Where I live a
> > Beatles cover band filled a 2000 seat auditorium at
> $25-50 a ticket
> > to play songs that were released in the decade before I
> was even
> > born. They can do that two nights a month and make more
> money apiece
> > annually than 99.9% of the population. Should they stop
> playing
> > because their music is no longer artistically relevant?
> The only
> > responsibility an artist has if he wants to get paid is
> to play music
> > people want to hear. If people are tired of hearing the
> old stuff
> > they'll stop paying.
> >
> > No musician who takes playing seriously would not give
> a great deal
> > to be able to say that when they were 60+ years old
> they could still
> > pack clubs with people who wanted to hear them play.
>
>
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This may be true, but most of them have nothing new to say either.
They are just reiterating, "Give me that old time religion, give me
that old time religion, give me that old time religion. its good
enough for me. It was good for the Prophet Dick Dale, it was good for
the prophet Dick Dale it was good for the prophet Dick Dale, its good
enough for me."
When one of these new DD imitators stands the world on its head, I'll
bet they've abandoned imitating DD. Lets see, what I'd really like to
hear after 40 years of DD getting fatter and fatter is a bunch of
young DD imitators playing the sameole sameole for the next 40 years
at the nearest tavern, while getting fatter and fatter. That would be
thrilling. Looking forward to it. As for BB King--the thrill has gone,
the thrill has definitely gone away.
Lover of new ideas
--- In , "DOGFISH" <dogfish@S...> wrote:
> Dear Dick Dale Bashers.............. I listened to two new wave
groups on KFJC Sat nite. There style favored Dick Dale's. Great Guitar
work, original songs, high energy, one was a trio and the other a
guartet. Both lead guitarists had the Dick Dale tone dialed in. I
wonder if they bash there mentor like some seem to want to do. Matter
of fact, many of the new wave bands guitars sound a lot like Dick
Dale. Hmmmmmmmm. Some bend a little to the psycho side, some bend a
little to the Nokie Edwards side, Hmmmmmm. Whats up with that?
dogfish
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DP
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Dick Dale
>
>
> However...there is something sickly beautiful in the "hunk
> of burning love" Elvis...you know the inevitable fall of
> the stellar idol and all that depressing jazz. All that
> sweat and all those sequined jumpsuits, the quadruple fat
> rolls, the strained delivery...the still adoring fans. It's
> so freaky and surreal, like a live 3d edward munch painting
> with sound.
> It's sort of like a great horror movie like Psycho, the
> sight is so grotesque that it's captivating and it's almost
> a sin to turn away.
>
> dp
>
> --- ohsyrus <ohsyrus@y...> wrote:
> > I stand by my opinion. If you want to go see some guy
> > whose been
> > playing the same stuff for 40 years, go ahead. I'm not
> > advocating that
> > these geriatrix be outlawed--I'm saying they got nothing
> > new to say.
> > To me, anyway. You dig it, more power to you. Anybody
> > wants to make
> > money playing what the people want to hear, fine. But
> > that is a
> > different problem from finding something new to say. You
> > may create
> > some music that no one wants to hear. Fine. Do YOU want
> > to hear it?
> > For some people, that's enough to justify all the years
> > of study. Its
> > all that the majority of those who take up the instrument
> > can EVER
> > hope for. ...Anyway, I will always choose the young,
> > energetic,
> > "That's Alright Mama" Elvis over the fat, bell-bottomed,
> > sequined, "My
> > Way" Elvis. Your mileage may vary.
> >
> >
> > --- In , "Matthew Speed"
> > <mspeed@m...> wrote:
> > > > Anybody that goes around playing
> > > > the same old material over and over, year in, year
> > out, and never
> > > > comes up with anything new to say, is just
> > embarrassing themselves,
> > > > IMHO, and no longer artistically relevant.
> > >
> > > I have to disagree with you here and respectfully ask
> > you to get off
> > > your high horse. Live music performance is like being
> > a professional
> > > athlete. Musicians and athletes are in the unique
> > position of
> > > getting to do something that they love with very little
> >
> > > responsibility and whether or not they continue doing
> > it is decided
> > > by only two things. The first is if they still like to
> > do it and the
> > > other is if people still pay them to do it. As long as
> > those two
> > > criteria are met they should do it as long as they can
> > because few
> > > other jobs short of winning the lottery pay so much
> > while requiring
> > > so little.
> > >
> > > Additionally, artistic relevance is, well, irrelevant.
> > There are
> > > plenty of groups that are paid quite well for doing
> > nothing but
> > > covers of songs that were "relevant" decades ago.
> > Where I live a
> > > Beatles cover band filled a 2000 seat auditorium at
> > $25-50 a ticket
> > > to play songs that were released in the decade before I
> > was even
> > > born. They can do that two nights a month and make more
> > money apiece
> > > annually than 99.9% of the population. Should they stop
> > playing
> > > because their music is no longer artistically relevant?
> > The only
> > > responsibility an artist has if he wants to get paid is
> > to play music
> > > people want to hear. If people are tired of hearing the
> > old stuff
> > > they'll stop paying.
> > >
> > > No musician who takes playing seriously would not give
> > a great deal
> > > to be able to say that when they were 60+ years old
> > they could still
> > > pack clubs with people who wanted to hear them play.
> >
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And old DD did stand the world (well at least So. Cal.) on
its head...but, that seems like a lifetime ago.
dp
--- ohsyrus <> wrote:
> This may be true, but most of them have nothing new to
> say either.
> They are just reiterating, "Give me that old time
> religion, give me
> that old time religion, give me that old time religion.
> its good
> enough for me. It was good for the Prophet Dick Dale, it
> was good for
> the prophet Dick Dale it was good for the prophet Dick
> Dale, its good
> enough for me."
>
> When one of these new DD imitators stands the world on
> its head, I'll
> bet they've abandoned imitating DD. Lets see, what I'd
> really like to
> hear after 40 years of DD getting fatter and fatter is a
> bunch of
> young DD imitators playing the sameole sameole for the
> next 40 years
> at the nearest tavern, while getting fatter and fatter.
> That would be
> thrilling. Looking forward to it. As for BB King--the
> thrill has gone,
> the thrill has definitely gone away.
>
> Lover of new ideas
>
>
> --- In , "DOGFISH"
> <dogfish@S...> wrote:
> > Dear Dick Dale Bashers.............. I listened to two
> new wave
> groups on KFJC Sat nite. There style favored Dick Dale's.
> Great Guitar
> work, original songs, high energy, one was a trio and the
> other a
> guartet. Both lead guitarists had the Dick Dale tone
> dialed in. I
> wonder if they bash there mentor like some seem to want
> to do. Matter
> of fact, many of the new wave bands guitars sound a lot
> like Dick
> Dale. Hmmmmmmmm. Some bend a little to the psycho side,
> some bend a
> little to the Nokie Edwards side, Hmmmmmm. Whats up
> with that?
> dogfish
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: DP
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Dick Dale
> >
> >
> > However...there is something sickly beautiful in the
> "hunk
> > of burning love" Elvis...you know the inevitable fall
> of
> > the stellar idol and all that depressing jazz. All
> that
> > sweat and all those sequined jumpsuits, the quadruple
> fat
> > rolls, the strained delivery...the still adoring
> fans. It's
> > so freaky and surreal, like a live 3d edward munch
> painting
> > with sound.
> > It's sort of like a great horror movie like Psycho,
> the
> > sight is so grotesque that it's captivating and it's
> almost
> > a sin to turn away.
> >
> > dp
> >
> > --- ohsyrus <ohsyrus@y...> wrote:
> > > I stand by my opinion. If you want to go see some
> guy
> > > whose been
> > > playing the same stuff for 40 years, go ahead. I'm
> not
> > > advocating that
> > > these geriatrix be outlawed--I'm saying they got
> nothing
> > > new to say.
> > > To me, anyway. You dig it, more power to you.
> Anybody
> > > wants to make
> > > money playing what the people want to hear, fine.
> But
> > > that is a
> > > different problem from finding something new to
> say. You
> > > may create
> > > some music that no one wants to hear. Fine. Do YOU
> want
> > > to hear it?
> > > For some people, that's enough to justify all the
> years
> > > of study. Its
> > > all that the majority of those who take up the
> instrument
> > > can EVER
> > > hope for. ...Anyway, I will always choose the
> young,
> > > energetic,
> > > "That's Alright Mama" Elvis over the fat,
> bell-bottomed,
> > > sequined, "My
> > > Way" Elvis. Your mileage may vary.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "Matthew
> Speed"
> > > <mspeed@m...> wrote:
> > > > > Anybody that goes around playing
> > > > > the same old material over and over, year in,
> year
> > > out, and never
> > > > > comes up with anything new to say, is just
> > > embarrassing themselves,
> > > > > IMHO, and no longer artistically relevant.
> > > >
> > > > I have to disagree with you here and respectfully
> ask
> > > you to get off
> > > > your high horse. Live music performance is like
> being
> > > a professional
> > > > athlete. Musicians and athletes are in the
> unique
> > > position of
> > > > getting to do something that they love with very
> little
> > >
> > > > responsibility and whether or not they continue
> doing
> > > it is decided
> > > > by only two things. The first is if they still
> like to
> > > do it and the
> > > > other is if people still pay them to do it. As
> long as
> > > those two
> > > > criteria are met they should do it as long as
> they can
> > > because few
> > > > other jobs short of winning the lottery pay so
> much
> > > while requiring
> > > > so little.
> > > >
> > > > Additionally, artistic relevance is, well,
> irrelevant.
> > > There are
> > > > plenty of groups that are paid quite well for
> doing
> > > nothing but
> > > > covers of songs that were "relevant" decades ago.
>
> > > Where I live a
> > > > Beatles cover band filled a 2000 seat auditorium
> at
> > > $25-50 a ticket
> > > > to play songs that were released in the decade
> before I
> > > was even
> > > > born. They can do that two nights a month and
> make more
> > > money apiece
> > > > annually than 99.9% of the population. Should
> they stop
> > > playing
> > > > because their music is no longer artistically
> relevant?
> > > The only
> > > > responsibility an artist has if he wants to get
> paid is
> > > to play music
> > > > people want to hear. If people are tired of
> hearing the
> > > old stuff
> > > > they'll stop paying.
> > > >
> > > > No musician who takes playing seriously would not
> give
> > > a great deal
> > > > to be able to say that when they were 60+ years
> old
> > > they could still
> > > > pack clubs with people who wanted to hear them
> play.
> > >
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--- In , "ohsyrus" <ohsyrus@y...> wrote:
> This may be true, but most of them have nothing new to say either.
> They are just reiterating, "Give me that old time religion, give me
> that old time religion, [etc.]
Huh?? Have you heard: Laika & the Cosmonauts, Slacktone, the
Fathoms, The Treble Spankers, the Penetrators, Langhorns, the
Nebulas, Pollo Del Mar, the Aqua Velvets, the Bambi Molesters, the
Apemen, the Bomboras, Man or Astroman?, the Halibuts, the Mermen, the
Surf Coasters, etc... It would be downright ridiculous to claim that
they had nothing new to say! The fact is that not every band can be
(or should be) groundbreaking. Not every blues guitarist has to be
Buddy Guy or Freddie King or whomever. Each one, even if not very
unique, contributes to the genre, and gives a greater chance to the
outstanding ones to really make their mark. DD may have started the
whole shebang, but the genre has moved in myriad of directions since
then.
My point exactly. At the time, what he was offering was new and
exciting. That was then, this is now.
--- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> And old DD did stand the world (well at least So. Cal.) on
> its head...but, that seems like a lifetime ago.
> dp
>
> --- ohsyrus <ohsyrus@y...> wrote:
> > This may be true, but most of them have nothing new to
> > say either.
> > They are just reiterating, "Give me that old time
> > religion, give me
> > that old time religion, give me that old time religion.
> > its good
> > enough for me. It was good for the Prophet Dick Dale, it
> > was good for
> > the prophet Dick Dale it was good for the prophet Dick
> > Dale, its good
> > enough for me."
> >
> > When one of these new DD imitators stands the world on
> > its head, I'll
> > bet they've abandoned imitating DD. Lets see, what I'd
> > really like to
> > hear after 40 years of DD getting fatter and fatter is a
> > bunch of
> > young DD imitators playing the sameole sameole for the
> > next 40 years
> > at the nearest tavern, while getting fatter and fatter.
> > That would be
> > thrilling. Looking forward to it. As for BB King--the
> > thrill has gone,
> > the thrill has definitely gone away.
> >
> > Lover of new ideas
> >
> >
> > --- In , "DOGFISH"
> > <dogfish@S...> wrote:
> > > Dear Dick Dale Bashers.............. I listened to two
> > new wave
> > groups on KFJC Sat nite. There style favored Dick Dale's.
> > Great Guitar
> > work, original songs, high energy, one was a trio and the
> > other a
> > guartet. Both lead guitarists had the Dick Dale tone
> > dialed in. I
> > wonder if they bash there mentor like some seem to want
> > to do. Matter
> > of fact, many of the new wave bands guitars sound a lot
> > like Dick
> > Dale. Hmmmmmmmm. Some bend a little to the psycho side,
> > some bend a
> > little to the Nokie Edwards side, Hmmmmmm. Whats up
> > with that?
> > dogfish
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: DP
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Dick Dale
> > >
> > >
> > > However...there is something sickly beautiful in the
> > "hunk
> > > of burning love" Elvis...you know the inevitable fall
> > of
> > > the stellar idol and all that depressing jazz. All
> > that
> > > sweat and all those sequined jumpsuits, the quadruple
> > fat
> > > rolls, the strained delivery...the still adoring
> > fans. It's
> > > so freaky and surreal, like a live 3d edward munch
> > painting
> > > with sound.
> > > It's sort of like a great horror movie like Psycho,
> > the
> > > sight is so grotesque that it's captivating and it's
> > almost
> > > a sin to turn away.
> > >
> > > dp
> > >
> > > --- ohsyrus <ohsyrus@y...> wrote:
> > > > I stand by my opinion. If you want to go see some
> > guy
> > > > whose been
> > > > playing the same stuff for 40 years, go ahead. I'm
> > not
> > > > advocating that
> > > > these geriatrix be outlawed--I'm saying they got
> > nothing
> > > > new to say.
> > > > To me, anyway. You dig it, more power to you.
> > Anybody
> > > > wants to make
> > > > money playing what the people want to hear, fine.
> > But
> > > > that is a
> > > > different problem from finding something new to
> > say. You
> > > > may create
> > > > some music that no one wants to hear. Fine. Do YOU
> > want
> > > > to hear it?
> > > > For some people, that's enough to justify all the
> > years
> > > > of study. Its
> > > > all that the majority of those who take up the
> > instrument
> > > > can EVER
> > > > hope for. ...Anyway, I will always choose the
> > young,
> > > > energetic,
> > > > "That's Alright Mama" Elvis over the fat,
> > bell-bottomed,
> > > > sequined, "My
> > > > Way" Elvis. Your mileage may vary.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "Matthew
> > Speed"
> > > > <mspeed@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > Anybody that goes around playing
> > > > > > the same old material over and over, year in,
> > year
> > > > out, and never
> > > > > > comes up with anything new to say, is just
> > > > embarrassing themselves,
> > > > > > IMHO, and no longer artistically relevant.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have to disagree with you here and respectfully
> > ask
> > > > you to get off
> > > > > your high horse. Live music performance is like
> > being
> > > > a professional
> > > > > athlete. Musicians and athletes are in the
> > unique
> > > > position of
> > > > > getting to do something that they love with very
> > little
> > > >
> > > > > responsibility and whether or not they continue
> > doing
> > > > it is decided
> > > > > by only two things. The first is if they still
> > like to
> > > > do it and the
> > > > > other is if people still pay them to do it. As
> > long as
> > > > those two
> > > > > criteria are met they should do it as long as
> > they can
> > > > because few
> > > > > other jobs short of winning the lottery pay so
> > much
> > > > while requiring
> > > > > so little.
> > > > >
> > > > > Additionally, artistic relevance is, well,
> > irrelevant.
> > > > There are
> > > > > plenty of groups that are paid quite well for
> > doing
> > > > nothing but
> > > > > covers of songs that were "relevant" decades ago.
> >
> > > > Where I live a
> > > > > Beatles cover band filled a 2000 seat auditorium
> > at
> > > > $25-50 a ticket
> > > > > to play songs that were released in the decade
> > before I
> > > > was even
> > > > > born. They can do that two nights a month and
> > make more
> > > > money apiece
> > > > > annually than 99.9% of the population. Should
> > they stop
> > > > playing
> > > > > because their music is no longer artistically
> > relevant?
> > > > The only
> > > > > responsibility an artist has if he wants to get
> > paid is
> > > > to play music
> > > > > people want to hear. If people are tired of
> > hearing the
> > > > old stuff
> > > > > they'll stop paying.
> > > > >
> > > > > No musician who takes playing seriously would not
> > give
> > > > a great deal
> > > > > to be able to say that when they were 60+ years
> > old
> > > > they could still
> > > > > pack clubs with people who wanted to hear them
> > play.
> > > >
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I would call none of the groups you listed DD imitators. Jim Thomas, a
Dick Dale imitator? You mean because all of them occasionally play
Miserlou, or the Victor, or the Wedge? The Aqua Velvets, a DD
imitator? I believe you have entirely misunderstood my point, sir. The
majority, not all, of the groups you mention have tried to do
something original, some more so than others. Many of them, have shown
considerable evolution in the course of their development, something I
have never observed in DD. Just what makes a Dick Dale imitator? I
certainly never would have assumed that the Space Cossacks were Dick
Dale imitators. I hear the inspiration of both The Shadows, and the
Atlantics, but the Space Cossacks had an original sound--and they
disbanded at their peak, IMHO. I'd be surprised if you will be making
the rounds in 40 years playing the music you created in the last
century. Dick Dale doesn't even accept the title of King of Surf
Guitar any more--he's the father of shred, apparently. Whatever.
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> --- In , "ohsyrus" <ohsyrus@y...> wrote:
> > This may be true, but most of them have nothing new to say either.
> > They are just reiterating, "Give me that old time religion, give me
> > that old time religion, [etc.]
>
> Huh?? Have you heard: Laika & the Cosmonauts, Slacktone, the
> Fathoms, The Treble Spankers, the Penetrators, Langhorns, the
> Nebulas, Pollo Del Mar, the Aqua Velvets, the Bambi Molesters, the
> Apemen, the Bomboras, Man or Astroman?, the Halibuts, the Mermen, the
> Surf Coasters, etc... It would be downright ridiculous to claim that
> they had nothing new to say! The fact is that not every band can be
> (or should be) groundbreaking. Not every blues guitarist has to be
> Buddy Guy or Freddie King or whomever. Each one, even if not very
> unique, contributes to the genre, and gives a greater chance to the
> outstanding ones to really make their mark. DD may have started the
> whole shebang, but the genre has moved in myriad of directions since
> then.
Dick Dale is like a lot of guys who bend the truth to fit their needs.
Thomas Edison was no different, except he didnt color his hair that I know
of.
Talking about blues guys, enough cant be said for the late Stevie Ray
Vaughan. He went out of his way every chance he got to bring up the old
timers, has beens, never-was's, and new kids - sharing the limelight,
strengthening the craft and broadening the scope of blues music. I for one
am a devout fan of most electric blues (well, Texas wise anyways) but
would've never heard of a lot of these guys had it not been for the Fender
lovin' Texan and his brother.
As for BB King's thrill being gone, your's would be too if you did 300
nights a year for 40 years! That brotha is in his LATE 70's and still on
tour. Granted his best work was bad and gone before 79% of us were born, but
I saw him once just sit and play alone, and let me tell you - he can really
play. He just gives the crowd what they want these days = Pablum.
If surf music was going to have an uprising like blues did in 83-87, it
would've been the early 90's through mid 90's. With the "Teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles" whuppin' ass to surf music, Pulp Fiction and
vacuum/beer/diaper commercials using surf themes - that was the best chance
it had so far. It's just not music for the mouthbreathers known as 'the
music buying public'. Anyone that can take pride in owning a Madonna,
Michael Jackson or Toby Keith CD could never understand or appreciate the
power and glory of a thick stringed Jazzmaster and a standalone reverb unit.
Robb
As for BB King--the thrill has gone,
the thrill has definitely gone away
Not for me. I saw him within' the last year and he TORE up the
place. And that's no mean feat for a guy who sits down to play.
Mike
--- In , "ohsyrus" <ohsyrus@y...> wrote:
> I would call none of the groups you listed DD imitators. I believe
you have entirely misunderstood my point, sir. The
> majority, not all, of the groups you mention have tried to do
> something original, some more so than others. Many of them, have
shown
> considerable evolution in the course of their development,
something I
> have never observed in DD.
Ohsyrus, my apologies. It's obvious that I DID in fact completely
misunderstand your post. In fact, I would perfectly agree with what
you say above. That was exactly my point too, that the best of the
genre in the last ten years are very far from just DD imitators, and
that the genre has grown and is growing. And the best bands have
evolved and continue to evolve as long as they're able to stay
together, something that's very difficult when a lot of the players
in those bands have daytime jobs and families. Anyway, thanks for
the clarification, and thanks for the nice comments about the
Cossacks.
Ivan
I could not agree with you more about SRV. One of the all time greats.
And his untimely death prevented him from ever playing County Fairs in
his old age, I am sorry to say. Who knows if Hendrix would have become
a Vegas Lounge Lizard??
BB King was an original in his prime, and an American treasure. And I
guess one doesn't expect the blues to evolve new forms, but,
expressive as his playing is, BB doesn't really have a lot of chops. I
mean no disrespect to a great artist, but you have to admit, he played
the blues, not jazz. He ain't Wes Montgomery.
> Talking about blues guys, enough cant be said for the late Stevie Ray
> Vaughan. He went out of his way every chance he got to bring up the old
> timers, has beens, never-was's, and new kids - sharing the limelight,
> strengthening the craft and broadening the scope of blues music. I
for one
> am a devout fan of most electric blues (well, Texas wise anyways) but
> would've never heard of a lot of these guys had it not been for the
Fender
> lovin' Texan and his brother.
>
> As for BB King's thrill being gone, your's would be too if you did 300
> nights a year for 40 years!
Oh that's alright. I'm never very good at trying to say what I mean. I
mean, by not having anything new to say, that DD stopped growing as a
musician, IMHO. At least he doesn't show it. But look at Dave Wronski,
on the other hand, or Shigeo Naka. Their mastery just grows and grows.
They are true Samurai.
By the way, I work with a Russian guy who comes from Siberia. He is
descended from Cossacks. I played the Space Cossacks for him just the
other day when we were carpooling and he got all excited about the
music. "This is Russian group?" he asked. Naw, they're from Washington
D.C. "Where can I see this group?" You can't Max, like the former
Soviet Union, they are now defunct. "Is too bad." he said. Yeah, but
they left these wonderful recordings. "I like these Cossacks from
Space." he said.
Just wanted you to know. You can never tell just how far your music
will reach, once its OUT THERE.
> Ohsyrus, my apologies. It's obvious that I DID in fact completely
> misunderstand your post. In fact, I would perfectly agree with what
> you say above. That was exactly my point too, that the best of the
> genre in the last ten years are very far from just DD imitators, and
> that the genre has grown and is growing. And the best bands have
> evolved and continue to evolve as long as they're able to stay
> together, something that's very difficult when a lot of the players
> in those bands have daytime jobs and families. Anyway, thanks for
> the clarification, and thanks for the nice comments about the
> Cossacks.
>
> Ivan
Thanks, Phil. That's kinda what I was wanting to hear/know - how he was away
from the stage
or in a non-threatened/ non-competitive way. Usually guys with egos that big
have issues
behind the scenes, and let's face it - it took a MAN to pound the livin' shit
out of a
stratocaster in a time and space where lush and smooth were in.
Robb
=======================
> From: Phil Dirt <>
> Subject: Re: putting the dick in Dick Dale
>
> He's a complex guy. I once was fortunate enough to hang out with him at
> his house for a couple of hours and onserve him away from the stage.
> While it was very enlightening personality-wise, he was very gracious
> and very generous.
>
> We talked about arranging songs, particularly why virtually every cover
> of "Surf Beat" is unlike the original, and a bit of historical stuff. I
> played him a cassette of the only only song I ever wrote, and he
> transposed it to piano and played it. He also shared some unreleased
> demos, including the MTV Europe Logos he cut. As I was leaving, he
> pulled out an uncirculated copy of "Miserlou" and gave it to me. He
> also looked around for a Dick Dale shirt, but did not find any, so he
> took one out of his closet and gave it to me - a DD shirt he had worn
> often.
>
> Phil Dirt
Sorry to interrupt this 'young-vs-old' debate but has anyone else
noticed that after 12 years, the Dick Dale Signature Strat is no
longer available from Fender? Not that I would own another one but it
seems Fender is backing off the whole 'surf' vibe. In fact, in the
new Frontline, the only mention of surf is when they talk about the
'wacky' mute on the Jaguar.
Interesting.
On a related note, Dick Dale is in the new Deke Dickerson Guitar Geek
DVD and it's amazing how they fit Dick's ego and Nokie Edwards in the
same frame. Nokie looks a bit cramped.
BTW, Nokie still smokes! Great stuff!
Carry on and you're not gonna take that from him are you?
Your local instigator,
Phil Tiki
The Cocktail Preachers -
13 Tikis -
How's the quality on the 2nd annual Guitar Geek
DVD?
I got the one that was released earlier last year & it
was pretty dark & the audio was baaaaaaaaaaad!
--- Phil Tiki <> wrote:
> Sorry to interrupt this 'young-vs-old' debate but
> has anyone else
> noticed that after 12 years, the Dick Dale Signature
> Strat is no
> longer available from Fender? Not that I would own
> another one but it
> seems Fender is backing off the whole 'surf' vibe.
> In fact, in the
> new Frontline, the only mention of surf is when they
> talk about the
> 'wacky' mute on the Jaguar.
>
> Interesting.
>
> On a related note, Dick Dale is in the new Deke
> Dickerson Guitar Geek
> DVD and it's amazing how they fit Dick's ego and
> Nokie Edwards in the
> same frame. Nokie looks a bit cramped.
>
> BTW, Nokie still smokes! Great stuff!
>
>
> Carry on and you're not gonna take that from him are
> you?
>
>
> Your local instigator,
> Phil Tiki
>
> The Cocktail Preachers -
>
> 13 Tikis -
>
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It's a little bit better than the first but the audio is about the same. I asked
Deke why he doesn't just get a board mix for the DVD and I guess he was promised
a better recording for 2005 but what he got was about the same. He also said
that the 2006 one will be 1000 times better.
I hope that doesn't discourage anyone from getting the DVD because it's still
amazing to watch guys like Brian Lonbeck, Jeremy Wakefield, and T.K Smith. As
well as Nokie and even Dick Dale.
You just might want to lower the volume when the Venturesmania segment starts.
Wow, is it distorted.
Phil
On Monday, February 13, 2006, at 09:35AM, eric king <> wrote:
> How's the quality on the 2nd annual Guitar Geek
>DVD?
>I got the one that was released earlier last year & it
>was pretty dark & the audio was baaaaaaaaaaad!
>
>
>--- Phil Tiki <> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to interrupt this 'young-vs-old' debate but
>> has anyone else
>> noticed that after 12 years, the Dick Dale Signature
>> Strat is no
>> longer available from Fender? Not that I would own
>> another one but it
>> seems Fender is backing off the whole 'surf' vibe.
>> In fact, in the
>> new Frontline, the only mention of surf is when they
>> talk about the
>> 'wacky' mute on the Jaguar.
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> On a related note, Dick Dale is in the new Deke
>> Dickerson Guitar Geek
>> DVD and it's amazing how they fit Dick's ego and
>> Nokie Edwards in the
>> same frame. Nokie looks a bit cramped.
>>
>> BTW, Nokie still smokes! Great stuff!
>>
>>
>> Carry on and you're not gonna take that from him are
>> you?
>>
>>
>> Your local instigator,
>> Phil Tiki
>>
>> The Cocktail Preachers -
>>
>> 13 Tikis -
>>
>
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