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I went out and got a Holy Grail pedal, and have been messing around
with it all afternoon.
Just one question though. On the front of my amp there are two plug
ins, one right above the other. Below the bottom one it says "input"
and then above it it says "Low" and then above the other one it
says "High".
What is the difference between these inputs?
On the back there is a "reverb" plug in and a "distortion" plug in,
as well as a line and a phones plug in.
Right now I have the guitar going to the input on the holy grail,
which in turn is plugged into the "reverb" plug in. I then have a
cable from the lower input plug on the front of the amp, going to the
line plug in in the back of the amp.
Is this "correct"?
Try this:
Guitar > Holy Grail Input - Holy Grail Output > Amp Input.
Try the low then the high and see which sounds better.
My guess is that the jacks in the back are for footswitches to turn the
Reverb/Distortion on and off.
What kind of amp is this?
Phil
On Wednesday, April 16, 2003, at 07:11 PM, Ryan wrote:
> I went out and got a Holy Grail pedal, and have been messing around
> with it all afternoon.
>
> Just one question though. On the front of my amp there are two plug
> ins, one right above the other. Below the bottom one it says "input"
> and then above it it says "Low" and then above the other one it
> says "High".
>
> What is the difference between these inputs?
>
> On the back there is a "reverb" plug in and a "distortion" plug in,
> as well as a line and a phones plug in.
>
> Right now I have the guitar going to the input on the holy grail,
> which in turn is plugged into the "reverb" plug in. I then have a
> cable from the lower input plug on the front of the amp, going to the
> line plug in in the back of the amp.
>
> Is this "correct"?
>
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--- In , Phil Tiki <philx@m...> wrote:
> Try this:
>
> Guitar > Holy Grail Input - Holy Grail Output > Amp Input.
>
> Try the low then the high and see which sounds better.
>
I've always fund, in my experience, that the high input gives me the
best sound. It seems to work the amp harder, and get that "tone".
Mike
urbansurfkings wrote:
>
> I've always fund, in my experience, that the high input gives me the
> best sound. It seems to work the amp harder, and get that "tone".
>
> Mike
Are these in and out sockets, or just out sockets?
I've seen amps with two sets of sockets on the front - and you can plug
the output of one set into the input of the other to overdrive the signal...
-c*
Hi Ryan,
My expierience with the Holy grail was that it worked best on the amps
low input, since then there is less gain on the channel and so more
clean sound. However the Holy Grail did sound o.k. as well on the High
(gain) channel. It is all a matter of taste. The I set every knob on 5
(treble Bass mid) and then work it until you got the best sound.
Try as much possibilities and settings. I'm sure you will find the best.
Did you try to use the amps FX loop? If so what was the result when used
with the Holy grail?
I'm juist asking because our 2nd guitarist uses a simelar set up as you,
and he now uses the clean channel, but I find that the Holy grail
doesn't produce enough "verb" on higher volume settings.
Normally I wouldn't use reverb on reverb, since then the sound gets a
bit "dirty" but it seams to work with the holy grail to get some kind of
echo reverb effect.
Although I don't get it wet enough on his amp. (It did get wet on my amp
however)
Maeby I ought to mess around with it as well.
Jerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan [mailto:]
Sent: donderdag 17 april 2003 2:11
To:
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Stupid Amp Qestion
I went out and got a Holy Grail pedal, and have been messing around
with it all afternoon.
Just one question though. On the front of my amp there are two plug
ins, one right above the other. Below the bottom one it says "input"
and then above it it says "Low" and then above the other one it
says "High".
What is the difference between these inputs?
On the back there is a "reverb" plug in and a "distortion" plug in,
as well as a line and a phones plug in.
Right now I have the guitar going to the input on the holy grail,
which in turn is plugged into the "reverb" plug in. I then have a
cable from the lower input plug on the front of the amp, going to the
line plug in in the back of the amp.
Is this "correct"?
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I ended up putting the grail on the high plug in, and it sounds
GREAT. I just didnt have it working this afternoon, but then I got it
going, and whoa, it was like the breakers crashed into my living
room, and everything was soaked with verb :)
I cant seem to stop playing now, it been a solid 6 hours. My finger
tips are dead. I have been trying to learn pipeline, and Surf Rider,
as they seems pretty good to start with, slow tempo etc.
Someday, when I can actually play a few songs, I will invest in a
fender reverb and amp. I was looking at the '63 Tube Reverb (brown,
tolex) unit - pretty sweet. What is the "dream" fender setup, surf
wise?
Hopefully if the sun is out tomorrow I can go and do some real
surfing.. :) G'Night!
--- In , "Jerry" <jerry.soetewey@b...>
wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> My expierience with the Holy grail was that it worked best on the
amps
> low input, since then there is less gain on the channel and so more
> clean sound. However the Holy Grail did sound o.k. as well on the
High
> (gain) channel. It is all a matter of taste. The I set every knob
on 5
> (treble Bass mid) and then work it until you got the best sound.
>
> Try as much possibilities and settings. I'm sure you will find the
best.
>
> Did you try to use the amps FX loop? If so what was the result when
used
> with the Holy grail?
> I'm juist asking because our 2nd guitarist uses a simelar set up as
you,
> and he now uses the clean channel, but I find that the Holy grail
> doesn't produce enough "verb" on higher volume settings.
>
> Normally I wouldn't use reverb on reverb, since then the sound gets
a
> bit "dirty" but it seams to work with the holy grail to get some
kind of
> echo reverb effect.
> Although I don't get it wet enough on his amp. (It did get wet on
my amp
> however)
>
> Maeby I ought to mess around with it as well.
>
> Jerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan [mailto:rj_shades@y...]
> Sent: donderdag 17 april 2003 2:11
> To:
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Stupid Amp Qestion
>
>
> I went out and got a Holy Grail pedal, and have been messing around
> with it all afternoon.
>
> Just one question though. On the front of my amp there are two plug
> ins, one right above the other. Below the bottom one it
says "input"
> and then above it it says "Low" and then above the other one it
> says "High".
>
> What is the difference between these inputs?
>
> On the back there is a "reverb" plug in and a "distortion" plug in,
> as well as a line and a phones plug in.
>
> Right now I have the guitar going to the input on the holy grail,
> which in turn is plugged into the "reverb" plug in. I then have a
> cable from the lower input plug on the front of the amp, going to
the
> line plug in in the back of the amp.
>
> Is this "correct"?
>
>
>
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Ryan, I'm getting a kick out of your posts, 'cause I was exactly where
you are at one year ago. It sounds to me like you've got a good
startup - Strat, amp, Holy Grail pedal. I started with a Fat Strat,
Fender Frontman 15R, and a Danelectro Reverb pedal. My first song was
The Ventures "Walk Don't Run," the second was "Pipeline."
Eventually, I moved on to the following gear: Fender Jaguar Reissue
Made in Japan, Fender Reverb Reissue, and a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe Amp
w/ a special Weber California 12 "vintage" speaker. It's pretty close
to the perfect setup, with the exception perhaps of the amp. I think
I'd rather have a Fender VibroKing or maybe a Fender Deluxe Reverb. A
lot of the guys on this site like the Fender Showman or Fender Dual
Showman, two vintage amps that were instrumental to the early surf
sound, if you will pardon the pun.
I think my dream setup would be the Jag with some vintage or reissue
pickups, a reverb unit that doesn't play stray radio signals like mine
does, and a Victoria "boutique" amp, which is a hand-wired amp made to
replicate the early Fender amps.
That said, everyone has different ideas about tone and sounds and
gear. The more you develop in your playing, the more discerning you'll
become. Don't be in a hurry to get equipment...get your chops down
first, then spend a lot of time listening to different guitars, amps,
and players. You'll discover your sound with time, and you'll
gravitate toward the right gear.
I have tons of advice on music books, easy songs to learn, and other
"tricks of the trade" learned over the last year. Since I came to this
as a total newbie too, I welcome you to e-mail me with any questions.
Best wishes...you've had your first snort of surf music. Soon, you'll
be addicted. BTW, where do you surf? I learned to surf at LaJolla
Shores and surfed most of the breaks from Sano down to Rosarita, Mex.
But Shores/Scrips Pier remain my home break. (Now I live in Colo., so
I guess Copper Mountain is my home break!)
Adios!
So what are some easy songs to learn? I started by
trying out some Man Or Astroman? tabs from Brian's
site and when I felt confident, I tried playing with
the CD, got real depressed at my lack of speed and
skill and have languished since. I need something,
easy, like for people who decided to get a guitar when
they turned thirty and have never played any other
instruments. I need something that any idiot can pick
up, because I am just that idiot. Any suggestions
would be appreciated.
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Don't give up first of all. Speed will come with your practice. Try
Penetration, I find it pretty easy to play and it has a catchy sound to it.
Late,
Mont
At 08:06 AM 4/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>So what are some easy songs to learn? I started by
>trying out some Man Or Astroman? tabs from Brian's
>site and when I felt confident, I tried playing with
>the CD, got real depressed at my lack of speed and
>skill and have languished since. I need something,
>easy, like for people who decided to get a guitar when
>they turned thirty and have never played any other
>instruments. I need something that any idiot can pick
>up, because I am just that idiot. Any suggestions
>would be appreciated.
>
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Hi,
Hmmmm, Difficult question. I started out too with Brain MOAM page, great
tunes, but indeed quiet fast.
If you like MOAM you can try their first albums; Is it...Man or
Astro-man and Destroy all Astro-man.
They do a lot of covers on these first albums. I generally like them
most.
If you are more in the traditional surf, check out this groups tab page,
it has some great tunes.
I would start with Pipeline (for speed and rythem) and because it is a
traditional surf tune.
Also Surf Rider, available in many different versions and perhaps Hava
Nagila and Miserilou, for fast double picking.
Also Walk don't run is pretty easy to play and is a good exercise. I
also like Mr. Moto, Surf Party (I just love the Nebulas version)
And currently I'm trying to play "Moment of truth" from Dave Myers and
the Surftones and "The cruel Sea" by the Ventures, more difficult but
lots of fun. I always try to learn the chords first to get a feel of the
rythem guitar (speed and rythem) and thew, wheni'm confident enough I
try to learn the lead guitar. I find this a good method, because you get
a certain insight in the songs you play.
I don't find surf an easy genre to play, when compared to lets say rock.
I spent a lot of time getting the tune right, trying to find alternative
ways of playing it and just getting it right. I also play in a Surf/core
instro band and it is quite fun to play these tunes.
But playing allong with the CD is a good exercise.
Here are some other intersting instro/surf tab sites;
For Ventures tunes, Kevin Gardeners page; Pipeline, walk don't run
etc...
The classical Surf tunes all in Alphabetic order from "Paradise Cove"
Thor's tabs (From Monsters from Mars)
And last but not least "Bettenville's tabs" with lots of Classics!!
Enjoy,
Jerry S. from Belgium.
Message-----
From: Patrick Shiflett [mailto:]
Sent: donderdag 17 april 2003 17:06
To:
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Stupid Amp Qestion
So what are some easy songs to learn? I started by
trying out some Man Or Astroman? tabs from Brian's
site and when I felt confident, I tried playing with
the CD, got real depressed at my lack of speed and
skill and have languished since. I need something,
easy, like for people who decided to get a guitar when
they turned thirty and have never played any other
instruments. I need something that any idiot can pick
up, because I am just that idiot. Any suggestions
would be appreciated.
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Yeah, Pipeline is pretty easy to start with. I totally have the main
riff going, except I am having trouble going from the 2nd fret to
that high pitched 9th fret "drop in" part.
Walk dont run is good also. And Surf Rider by the lively ones.
--- In , "Jerry" <jerry.soetewey@b...>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hmmmm, Difficult question. I started out too with Brain MOAM page,
great
> tunes, but indeed quiet fast.
> If you like MOAM you can try their first albums; Is it...Man or
> Astro-man and Destroy all Astro-man.
> They do a lot of covers on these first albums. I generally like them
> most.
>
> If you are more in the traditional surf, check out this groups tab
page,
> it has some great tunes.
> I would start with Pipeline (for speed and rythem) and because it
is a
> traditional surf tune.
> Also Surf Rider, available in many different versions and perhaps
Hava
> Nagila and Miserilou, for fast double picking.
> Also Walk don't run is pretty easy to play and is a good exercise. I
> also like Mr. Moto, Surf Party (I just love the Nebulas version)
> And currently I'm trying to play "Moment of truth" from Dave Myers
and
> the Surftones and "The cruel Sea" by the Ventures, more difficult
but
> lots of fun. I always try to learn the chords first to get a feel
of the
> rythem guitar (speed and rythem) and thew, wheni'm confident enough
I
> try to learn the lead guitar. I find this a good method, because
you get
> a certain insight in the songs you play.
>
> I don't find surf an easy genre to play, when compared to lets say
rock.
> I spent a lot of time getting the tune right, trying to find
alternative
> ways of playing it and just getting it right. I also play in a
Surf/core
> instro band and it is quite fun to play these tunes.
> But playing allong with the CD is a good exercise.
>
> Here are some other intersting instro/surf tab sites;
>
> For Ventures tunes, Kevin Gardeners page; Pipeline, walk don't run
> etc...
>
>
> The classical Surf tunes all in Alphabetic order from "Paradise
Cove"
>
>
> Thor's tabs (From Monsters from Mars)
>
>
> And last but not least "Bettenville's tabs" with lots of Classics!!
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Jerry S. from Belgium.
>
> Message-----
> From: Patrick Shiflett [mailto:p_shiflett@y...]
> Sent: donderdag 17 april 2003 17:06
> To:
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Stupid Amp Qestion
>
>
> So what are some easy songs to learn? I started by
> trying out some Man Or Astroman? tabs from Brian's
> site and when I felt confident, I tried playing with
> the CD, got real depressed at my lack of speed and
> skill and have languished since. I need something,
> easy, like for people who decided to get a guitar when
> they turned thirty and have never played any other
> instruments. I need something that any idiot can pick
> up, because I am just that idiot. Any suggestions
> would be appreciated.
>
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--- In , cobalt <Christophert@s...>
wrote:
>
>
> urbansurfkings wrote:
> >
> > I've always fund, in my experience, that the high input gives me
the
> > best sound. It seems to work the amp harder, and get that "tone".
> >
> > Mike
>
> Are these in and out sockets, or just out sockets?
>
> I've seen amps with two sets of sockets on the front - and you can
plug
> the output of one set into the input of the other to overdrive the
signal...
>
Just the inputs on the front of my amps.
Hey Gavin,
Yeah, I like my setup for now. The gear is totally tempting, but I
have made a rule that I will not buy any new gear until I can go into
the store, and actually try it out by ripping out The Victor or Lets
Go Trippin or Miserlou etc.
What are some good books to start with? I have "The Guitar Handbook"
by Ralph Denyer wich is pretty decent. I go between practicing surf
songs to doing scales.
I am up in northern california, so I learned at Cowells and Linda
Mar. I got good at a place called 3 mile during el nino. I used to
take road trips down the coast all the time listening to dick dale,
and surfed pretty much everywhere.
I like San Onofre and hope to get down to trestles before the
military base is installed. I have never been surfing down in SD
though. My GF showed me blacks and the canyons, and it looked pretty
incredible.
--- In , "Gavin Ehringer"
<gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> Ryan, I'm getting a kick out of your posts, 'cause I was exactly
where
> you are at one year ago. It sounds to me like you've got a good
> startup - Strat, amp, Holy Grail pedal. I started with a Fat Strat,
> Fender Frontman 15R, and a Danelectro Reverb pedal. My first song
was
> The Ventures "Walk Don't Run," the second was "Pipeline."
>
> Eventually, I moved on to the following gear: Fender Jaguar Reissue
> Made in Japan, Fender Reverb Reissue, and a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe
Amp
> w/ a special Weber California 12 "vintage" speaker. It's pretty
close
> to the perfect setup, with the exception perhaps of the amp. I think
> I'd rather have a Fender VibroKing or maybe a Fender Deluxe Reverb.
A
> lot of the guys on this site like the Fender Showman or Fender Dual
> Showman, two vintage amps that were instrumental to the early surf
> sound, if you will pardon the pun.
>
> I think my dream setup would be the Jag with some vintage or reissue
> pickups, a reverb unit that doesn't play stray radio signals like
mine
> does, and a Victoria "boutique" amp, which is a hand-wired amp made
to
> replicate the early Fender amps.
>
> That said, everyone has different ideas about tone and sounds and
> gear. The more you develop in your playing, the more discerning
you'll
> become. Don't be in a hurry to get equipment...get your chops down
> first, then spend a lot of time listening to different guitars,
amps,
> and players. You'll discover your sound with time, and you'll
> gravitate toward the right gear.
>
> I have tons of advice on music books, easy songs to learn, and other
> "tricks of the trade" learned over the last year. Since I came to
this
> as a total newbie too, I welcome you to e-mail me with any
questions.
>
> Best wishes...you've had your first snort of surf music. Soon,
you'll
> be addicted. BTW, where do you surf? I learned to surf at LaJolla
> Shores and surfed most of the breaks from Sano down to Rosarita,
Mex.
> But Shores/Scrips Pier remain my home break. (Now I live in Colo.,
so
> I guess Copper Mountain is my home break!)
>
> Adios!
> Normally I wouldn't use reverb on reverb, since then the sound gets
a
> bit "dirty"
I've tried this just the other night at a show (using the other
band's Marshall with my Fender tank), and the 'verbs kinda seemed to
cancell each other out. When I zeroed the Marshall reverb, all was
well.
It took some time, but i was able to get a pretty good surf tone from
the Marshall!
Mike
Hi Mike,
Can you give me some directions in getting the Marschall into a good
"surf drive gear"?
I tried a Reissue reverb tank on a pre JCM 800 and I couldn't get it
right.I think the main problem is that there is not a clean channel,
just a high gain and a low gain. The high gain uses three pre-amp tubes
and the low gain only one. I switched them from 12AX7 to 12AT7 to get
lesser high gain, but it still seams to stay very tight in sound. The
tank just screemed.
Anyway ony advice would be most welcome.
Also would be any directions on how to get the most from a Holy Grail
onto a Marschall Valvestate 8080.
It is playd on with a rewired (bridge/neck) Mex Strat for rythem.
Thanks,
Jerry
-----Original Message-----
From: urbansurfkings [mailto:]
Sent: donderdag 17 april 2003 20:57
To:
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Stupid Amp Qestion
> Normally I wouldn't use reverb on reverb, since then the sound gets
a
> bit "dirty"
I've tried this just the other night at a show (using the other
band's Marshall with my Fender tank), and the 'verbs kinda seemed to
cancell each other out. When I zeroed the Marshall reverb, all was
well.
It took some time, but i was able to get a pretty good surf tone from
the Marshall!
Mike
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typically..the "high" input is for high impedence
pickups...(aka "active pickups" or "pre-amp" pickups) the
"low" input
is for low ipedence pickups (aka passive pickups)...
sometimes Low and High stand for bass and treble
instruments...but, those are real old amps...like '40s or
50's amps...
good luck!
dp
--- Ryan <> wrote:
> I went out and got a Holy Grail pedal, and have been
> messing around
> with it all afternoon.
>
> Just one question though. On the front of my amp there
> are two plug
> ins, one right above the other. Below the bottom one it
> says "input"
> and then above it it says "Low" and then above the other
> one it
> says "High".
>
> What is the difference between these inputs?
>
> On the back there is a "reverb" plug in and a
> "distortion" plug in,
> as well as a line and a phones plug in.
>
> Right now I have the guitar going to the input on the
> holy grail,
> which in turn is plugged into the "reverb" plug in. I
> then have a
> cable from the lower input plug on the front of the amp,
> going to the
> line plug in in the back of the amp.
>
> Is this "correct"?
>
>
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walk don't run by the ventures
pipeline by the chantays
batman themeby neal hefty
miserlou by dick dale & deltones
wipeout by the surfaris
anything by the shadowy men on a shadowy planet
mr. moto by the belairs
good luck,
dp
--- Patrick Shiflett <> wrote:
> So what are some easy songs to learn? I started by
> trying out some Man Or Astroman? tabs from Brian's
> site and when I felt confident, I tried playing with
> the CD, got real depressed at my lack of speed and
> skill and have languished since. I need something,
> easy, like for people who decided to get a guitar when
> they turned thirty and have never played any other
> instruments. I need something that any idiot can pick
> up, because I am just that idiot. Any suggestions
> would be appreciated.
>
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No no it is the other way round.
active pick ups (the ones with a battery) have low impedence and go in the low
input.
Passive pick ups (normal ones) have high impedence and go in the high input.
on Fender tube amps high is input 1 low is input 2
High and low inputs are not to be confused with a high and low gain channels
(like on Jerry's Sovtek )
------------------------ wrote:
------------------------
>typically..the "high" input is for high impedence
>pickups...(aka "active pickups" or "pre-amp" pickups) the
>"low" input
>is for low ipedence pickups (aka passive pickups)...
>sometimes Low and High stand for bass and treble
>instruments...but, those are real old amps...like '40s or
>50's amps...
>good luck!
>dp
>--- Ryan wrote:
>> I went out and got a Holy Grail pedal, and have been
>> messing around
>> with it all afternoon.
>>
>> Just one question though. On the front of my amp there
>> are two plug
>> ins, one right above the other. Below the bottom one it
>> says "input"
>> and then above it it says "Low" and then above the other
>> one it
>> says "High".
>>
>> What is the difference between these inputs?
>>
>> On the back there is a "reverb" plug in and a
>> "distortion" plug in,
>> as well as a line and a phones plug in.
>>
>> Right now I have the guitar going to the input on the
>> holy grail,
>> which in turn is plugged into the "reverb" plug in. I
>> then have a
>> cable from the lower input plug on the front of the amp,
>> going to the
>> line plug in in the back of the amp.
>>
>> Is this "correct"?
>>
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