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I agree that you shouldn't rely on pedals for your sound
90 percent of the time I don't use pedals just the reverb and trem on my amp
but there are times when it's really cool to introduce a fuzzy blast of
something out of left field occasionally
I think the trick is to use them very judiciously and not go overboard
I heard someone say once that pedals are like condoms - "use only when
absolutely necessary"
re: the danecho and hiss - I don't have that problem. I don't rely on
batteries though, use the ac adapter and it's really quiet and doesn't suck
tone or anything, although I don't think it's true bypass.
yeah, motorhead does rock indeed....
james
At 08:52 AM 3/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Gregory [mailto:]
>...
> > So who do you think epitomises surf music? Who would you vote for, to
> > be the king? I'd be conflicted between Hank Marvin and Link Wray.
>
>I love those guys too. But while these guys are brilliant and genuises in
>their own right, I don't think of them as the quintessential surf guitarist.
>If you expand the category out to "instro-guitar-rock" then of course they'd
>be in the top 5. Both Hank/The Shadows and Link essentially started whole
>genres of music which more or less influenced surf.
>
>As for more "surfier" guitar players, what about Dick Dale, Eddie Bertrand,
>Ritche Podolor, Randy Holden, Paul Johnson...? I think Larry Weed from the
>Original Surfaris was pretty bad *ss too. I'd love to go back in time to see
>DD, The Fender IV, The Bel-Airs, The Original Surfaris, & The Lively Ones
>all on one bill.
>
>As for effects pedals in surf....bah!!!! Use your trusty reverb unit and
>some occasional tremolo from your amp and your good to go. Thats not to say
>that I don't enjoy listening to the Mermen or the Surf Kings now and then.
>
>It is funny though if you listen to some of those old school surf guys who
>are still playing today. They seemed to have changed with the times and now
>employ fuzz pedals and that big 70's rock guitar sound. Yikes.
>
>BN
>
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what compressor do you use?
james
At 03:59 PM 3/1/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>I play guitar in a 3-piece-- I find that just a touch of compression
>helps even out the sound, particularly between chords, triads and
>single notes, otherwise, some tones get lost in the mix, others
>predominate unduly. Currently, I play a '65 Jag direct into a '65
>Fender Twin Reverb re-issue, and need no other effects. In the
>past, playing a strat, I've used a bit of overdrive, but I don't like
>messing with the great sound of the Jag.
>
>Also, I agree with others who have pointed out that Link Wray or the
>Shadows, while great instrumental rock artists, are not really "surf"
>music.
>
>
>--- In , "Brian Neal" <bneal@z...> wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Gregory [mailto:chris@c...]
> > ...
> > > So who do you think epitomises surf music? Who would you vote for,
>to
> > > be the king? I'd be conflicted between Hank Marvin and Link Wray.
> >
> > I love those guys too. But while these guys are brilliant and
>genuises in
> > their own right, I don't think of them as the quintessential surf
>guitarist.
> > If you expand the category out to "instro-guitar-rock" then of
>course they'd
> > be in the top 5. Both Hank/The Shadows and Link essentially started
>whole
> > genres of music which more or less influenced surf.
> >
> > As for more "surfier" guitar players, what about Dick Dale, Eddie
>Bertrand,
> > Ritche Podolor, Randy Holden, Paul Johnson...? I think Larry Weed
>from the
> > Original Surfaris was pretty bad *ss too. I'd love to go back in
>time to see
> > DD, The Fender IV, The Bel-Airs, The Original Surfaris, & The Lively
>Ones
> > all on one bill.
> >
> > As for effects pedals in surf....bah!!!! Use your trusty reverb unit
>and
> > some occasional tremolo from your amp and your good to go. Thats not
>to say
> > that I don't enjoy listening to the Mermen or the Surf Kings now and
>then.
> >
> > It is funny though if you listen to some of those old school surf
>guys who
> > are still playing today. They seemed to have changed with the times
>and now
> > employ fuzz pedals and that big 70's rock guitar sound. Yikes.
> >
> > BN
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Gregory [mailto:]
...
> So who do you think epitomises surf music? Who would you vote for, to
> be the king? I'd be conflicted between Hank Marvin and Link Wray.
I love those guys too. But while these guys are brilliant and genuises in
their own right, I don't think of them as the quintessential surf guitarist.
If you expand the category out to "instro-guitar-rock" then of course they'd
be in the top 5. Both Hank/The Shadows and Link essentially started whole
genres of music which more or less influenced surf.
As for more "surfier" guitar players, what about Dick Dale, Eddie Bertrand,
Ritche Podolor, Randy Holden, Paul Johnson...? I think Larry Weed from the
Original Surfaris was pretty bad *ss too. I'd love to go back in time to see
DD, The Fender IV, The Bel-Airs, The Original Surfaris, & The Lively Ones
all on one bill.
As for effects pedals in surf....bah!!!! Use your trusty reverb unit and
some occasional tremolo from your amp and your good to go. Thats not to say
that I don't enjoy listening to the Mermen or the Surf Kings now and then.
It is funny though if you listen to some of those old school surf guys who
are still playing today. They seemed to have changed with the times and now
employ fuzz pedals and that big 70's rock guitar sound. Yikes.
BN
I play guitar in a 3-piece-- I find that just a touch of compression
helps even out the sound, particularly between chords, triads and
single notes, otherwise, some tones get lost in the mix, others
predominate unduly. Currently, I play a '65 Jag direct into a '65
Fender Twin Reverb re-issue, and need no other effects. In the
past, playing a strat, I've used a bit of overdrive, but I don't like
messing with the great sound of the Jag.
Also, I agree with others who have pointed out that Link Wray or the
Shadows, while great instrumental rock artists, are not really "surf"
music.
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bneal@z...> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Gregory [mailto:chris@c...]
> ...
> > So who do you think epitomises surf music? Who would you vote for,
to
> > be the king? I'd be conflicted between Hank Marvin and Link Wray.
>
> I love those guys too. But while these guys are brilliant and
genuises in
> their own right, I don't think of them as the quintessential surf
guitarist.
> If you expand the category out to "instro-guitar-rock" then of
course they'd
> be in the top 5. Both Hank/The Shadows and Link essentially started
whole
> genres of music which more or less influenced surf.
>
> As for more "surfier" guitar players, what about Dick Dale, Eddie
Bertrand,
> Ritche Podolor, Randy Holden, Paul Johnson...? I think Larry Weed
from the
> Original Surfaris was pretty bad *ss too. I'd love to go back in
time to see
> DD, The Fender IV, The Bel-Airs, The Original Surfaris, & The Lively
Ones
> all on one bill.
>
> As for effects pedals in surf....bah!!!! Use your trusty reverb unit
and
> some occasional tremolo from your amp and your good to go. Thats not
to say
> that I don't enjoy listening to the Mermen or the Surf Kings now and
then.
>
> It is funny though if you listen to some of those old school surf
guys who
> are still playing today. They seemed to have changed with the times
and now
> employ fuzz pedals and that big 70's rock guitar sound. Yikes.
>
> BN
I just want to add that I grew out of the whole rock guitar god thing. I got
tired of the endless debates about who is better: Van Halen, Dimebag Darrel,
Kirk Hammett, etc. Satriani vs Vai that kind of thing. Tedious.
The thing about surf music that appeals to me is that the songs are more
important. Also the fact that early surf music was just a bunch of kids
making great songs for fun....it has that popular appeal that real people
can play music, write cool songs, and have fun. You don't have to be the
next Yngwie J Malmsteen to play fun cool music and entertain others. Theres
a pre-punk rock do-it-yourself ethic to surf music that appeals to me.
Don't get me wrong, its great to see a band so technically competent like
Slacktone or The Space Cossacks come along. But even in these bands, the
emphasis is still placed on songwriting, emotion, and overall feeling...that
danger of being on a surf board 50 feet in the air...than technical wankery,
the number of 64th notes you can play, and other guitar god BS.
Can you imagine if Slacktone went back in time and entered a battle of the
bands with 1st wavers?
BN
PS I'm not anti-pedal. I agree they can be used effectively but sparingly.
Brian Neal wrote:
> The thing about surf music that appeals to me is that the songs are
> more
> important. Also the fact that early surf music was just a bunch of
> kids
> making great songs for fun....it has that popular appeal that real
> people
> can play music, write cool songs, and have fun. You don't have to be
> the
> next Yngwie J Malmsteen to play fun cool music and entertain others.
> Theres
> a pre-punk rock do-it-yourself ethic to surf music that appeals to me.
Yep. That's one of the things I dig about stuff like Surf, Punk, and
original 50's Rock N' Roll. They're accessible to anybody, because they
were originally created by small bands who usually had more enthusiasm
than skill. You don't need a stadium, a lightshow, fireworks or giant
videoscreens. Just a couple like-minded buddies, two or three chords,
and an afternoon to bang them together. Whatever your skill level, you
get to take part.
I like to think that with the internet as a distribution method, all
those garage bands out there who remained anonymous, pounding out songs
nobody would ever hear, in the basements and garages of the world, will
finally be able to step out of the shadows and play to the sort of
global audiences only megastars and international record companies were
able to reach in the past.
I also think that's probably part of the reason why the RIAA is so hot
to stomp mp3 trading into the dirt, and slander it as just piracy, every
chance they get. They can't stand the competition - it makes their
position as middlemen redundant. That jeopardises the financial empires
they've built up over decades, and removes thier stranglehold over pop
culture.
Personallly, I'd rather buy a home-grown CD from a garage band off the
net, than some overpriced package from a chain store. At least when I
spend cash on the garage band, I know they're getting all the money, and
not a fifteenth of a cent on the dollar.
...I seem to have wandered off onto a tangent there. Sorry, gang.
Anyway, that's one of the things I like about Surf.
-c*
so true.
I grew up on jimmy page and hendrix. and although those guys are great
guitarists and still big influences on me in many ways
it wasn't until the sex pistols and the ramones came along that made it
'alright' for me and my friends to pick up a guitar and not worry about
being a 'guitar god' in order to play in a band. hell if they could do it
anyone could - it freed up the whole playing field so to speak
I don't know but I always figured that this was how it was when people like
link wray or even buddy holly came along. it gave regular joes like me the
realization that playing music was for everyone. and this is why I think
surf music is so cool.
although, I gotta say I have realized that once you start really playing
some of the supposedly 'simple' stuff from some of the first wave bands,
its actually quite nuanced. I've also realized that it's almost 'harder' to
play whole notes with emotion and feeling than it is to play a bunch of
32nd notes in succession. the ventures taught me that.
so yeah, songs and emotion are it
btw, I would like to add my vote for Jimmy Luttrell as an example of
someone who could be a guitar god like Yingvay Mammasteen if he wanted to
but chooses to play with enough restraint and heart to make him really
genius on the guitar....
now, if anyone can tab Barcelona Moon...
james
At 10:43 AM 3/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I just want to add that I grew out of the whole rock guitar god thing. I got
>tired of the endless debates about who is better: Van Halen, Dimebag Darrel,
>Kirk Hammett, etc. Satriani vs Vai that kind of thing. Tedious.
>
>The thing about surf music that appeals to me is that the songs are more
>important. Also the fact that early surf music was just a bunch of kids
>making great songs for fun....it has that popular appeal that real people
>can play music, write cool songs, and have fun. You don't have to be the
>next Yngwie J Malmsteen to play fun cool music and entertain others. Theres
>a pre-punk rock do-it-yourself ethic to surf music that appeals to me.
>
>Don't get me wrong, its great to see a band so technically competent like
>Slacktone or The Space Cossacks come along. But even in these bands, the
>emphasis is still placed on songwriting, emotion, and overall feeling...that
>danger of being on a surf board 50 feet in the air...than technical wankery,
>the number of 64th notes you can play, and other guitar god BS.
>
>Can you imagine if Slacktone went back in time and entered a battle of the
>bands with 1st wavers?
>
>BN
>
>PS I'm not anti-pedal. I agree they can be used effectively but sparingly.
>
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--- In , james <roebuck@d...> wrote:
> what compressor do you use?
> james
>
Boss CS-3
>
> At 03:59 PM 3/1/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >I play guitar in a 3-piece-- I find that just a touch of
compression
> >helps even out the sound, particularly between chords, triads and
> >single notes, otherwise, some tones get lost in the mix, others
> >predominate unduly. Currently, I play a '65 Jag direct into a '65
> >Fender Twin Reverb re-issue, and need no other effects. In the
> >past, playing a strat, I've used a bit of overdrive, but I don't
like
> >messing with the great sound of the Jag.
> >
> >Also, I agree with others who have pointed out that Link Wray or
the
> >Shadows, while great instrumental rock artists, are not
really "surf"
> >music.
> >
> >
> >--- In , "Brian Neal" <bneal@z...>
wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Chris Gregory [mailto:chris@c...]
> > > ...
> > > > So who do you think epitomises surf music? Who would you vote
for,
> >to
> > > > be the king? I'd be conflicted between Hank Marvin and Link
Wray.
> > >
> > > I love those guys too. But while these guys are brilliant and
> >genuises in
> > > their own right, I don't think of them as the quintessential
surf
> >guitarist.
> > > If you expand the category out to "instro-guitar-rock" then of
> >course they'd
> > > be in the top 5. Both Hank/The Shadows and Link essentially
started
> >whole
> > > genres of music which more or less influenced surf.
> > >
> > > As for more "surfier" guitar players, what about Dick Dale,
Eddie
> >Bertrand,
> > > Ritche Podolor, Randy Holden, Paul Johnson...? I think Larry
Weed
> >from the
> > > Original Surfaris was pretty bad *ss too. I'd love to go back in
> >time to see
> > > DD, The Fender IV, The Bel-Airs, The Original Surfaris, & The
Lively
> >Ones
> > > all on one bill.
> > >
> > > As for effects pedals in surf....bah!!!! Use your trusty reverb
unit
> >and
> > > some occasional tremolo from your amp and your good to go.
Thats not
> >to say
> > > that I don't enjoy listening to the Mermen or the Surf Kings
now and
> >then.
> > >
> > > It is funny though if you listen to some of those old school
surf
> >guys who
> > > are still playing today. They seemed to have changed with the
times
> >and now
> > > employ fuzz pedals and that big 70's rock guitar sound. Yikes.
> > >
> > > BN
> >
> >
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