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I'd like to 2nd this question.
I don't mind going over to the site if the forum moves. But the
downside is yet another move that might leave behind some people that
aren't paying attention. And yet another split of the scene/crowd
instead of a bringing together. Just more and more sites to try to
keep in mind,to keep up on all things surf.
As for any costs that might arise. As some that are on
www.TikiCentral.com there is a Grand membership status that can
be attained to show your support/status in the tiki scene by
donating 24 dollars a year to upkeep/costs of running the site.
And they have access to a special forum that only grand members
can accesss, and sometimes they get first dibs on event tix and
things being sold. Ask Ran(Kick the Reverb about it) he's a Grand
Member on Tiki Central.
Just some concerns,ideas.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , "mono_tones_1" <rockverb@...>
wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> excellent! I just checked it out in looks really cool. For this
moment,
> I have one question and one suggestion ...
>
> - question: I'm not sure how this relates to the yahoo-group? Is
the
> yahoo group going to bleed to death, is it supposed to? Not that I
mind
> if we all jump to sg101.com, or if we stay here. just wondering
how the
> two relate. (all the technical mumbo jumbo about forum formats and
> software applications doesn't mean anything to me, I have a fairly
push-
> button-get-banana approach to all things internet)
>
> - suggestion: If bandwith is going to be problem in the future,
esp.
> with a video and mp3 database, you might at one point want to
consider
> a system of contributing members of some sort, like I've seen the
> Fender Forum uses. (not that you'd grow as big as the FDP ;-) ...
I'm
> sure I'm not the only one who'd happily pinch in for the hosting
costs
> (and still leave you 100% in charge :-) )
>
> WR
>
SG101 should have the "King Hodad" membership...as well as
the "Gremmie" membership for the new peeps...
-dp
--- Jeff <> wrote:
As some that are on www.TikiCentral.com there is a Grand
membership status that can be attained to show your
support/status in the tiki scene by donating 24 dollars
a year to upkeep/costs of running the site.
And they have access to a special forum that only grand
members can accesss, and sometimes they get first dibs on
event tix and things being sold. Ask Ran(Kick the Reverb
about it)he's a Grand Member on Tiki Central.
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Except Isn't hodad a bad thing???
All the surfers used to call the Beach Boys Hodads.
Of course what is the percentage of surf guitarists that actually
surf??
Maybe your not far off DP ha ha
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , DP <noetical1@...> wrote:
>
> SG101 should have the "King Hodad" membership...as well as
> the "Gremmie" membership for the new peeps...
>
> -dp
>
>
>
> --- Jeff <bigtikidude@...> wrote:
>
> As some that are on www.TikiCentral.com there is a Grand
> membership status that can be attained to show your
> support/status in the tiki scene by donating 24 dollars
> a year to upkeep/costs of running the site.
> And they have access to a special forum that only grand
> members can accesss, and sometimes they get first dibs on
> event tix and things being sold. Ask Ran(Kick the Reverb
> about it)he's a Grand Member on Tiki Central.
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
>
I think most of us here at SG101 are hodaddies...but, in a
good way...
-dp
--- Jeff <> wrote:
> Except Isn't hodad a bad thing???
> All the surfers used to call the Beach Boys Hodads.
> Of course what is the percentage of surf guitarists that
> actually
> surf??
> Maybe your not far off DP ha ha
>
> Jeff(bigtikidude)
>
>
> --- In , DP <noetical1@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > SG101 should have the "King Hodad" membership...as well
> as
> > the "Gremmie" membership for the new peeps...
> >
> > -dp
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jeff <bigtikidude@...> wrote:
> >
> > As some that are on www.TikiCentral.com there is a
> Grand
> > membership status that can be attained to show your
> > support/status in the tiki scene by donating 24
> dollars
> > a year to upkeep/costs of running the site.
> > And they have access to a special forum that only
> grand
> > members can accesss, and sometimes they get first dibs
> on
> > event tix and things being sold. Ask Ran(Kick the
> Reverb
> > about it)he's a Grand Member on Tiki Central.
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
> Visit for
> archived messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>
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>
>
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>
>
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--- In , "Jeff" <bigtikidude@...> wrote:
>
> I'd like to 2nd this question.
> I don't mind going over to the site if the forum moves. But the
> downside is yet another move that might leave behind some people that
> aren't paying attention. And yet another split of the scene/crowd
> instead of a bringing together. Just more and more sites to try to
> keep in mind,to keep up on all things surf.
Well if they aren't paying attention that is their own fault. :P
I don't want to keep both the Yahoo Group and the web forum
indefinitely. I'll see how the reaction is. Personally, I see the
future, and it is in web portals with story submissions. Once that
kicks into gear, the forums should subsume this Yahoo Group. But who
knows, maybe I'm on crack.
As for fracturing the surf community...clearly that is not my
intention. There are so many groups because there are so many
personality differences. People find a group they are comfortable
with. I am not out to make any rivalries or "take over". I'm just a
computer geek who likes playing with software, and I found this really
cool software, and I want to apply it to my other interest: surf music.
If people dig it, then fine. If not, it will go away.
Jeff, this new SG101 site is like tailor made for you. You go to so
many shows (lucky b*stard). All you got to do is wake up the next
morning, go to the SG101 site, and submit a show report to me and my
crack staff. I'll even help check your grammar and spelling :-). And
then, voila, your show report is automatically added to the database
on the site, for all to see, kept forever. I am hoping this new
paradigm sinks in and people get excited about it.
Another example: Anyone who as been in the surf scene knows that Ivan
posts great reviews of CD's. Imagine having all of Ivan's reviews in
one place, and you don't have to go using that terrible Yahoo search
feature to fish his review out of thousands of posts.
Am I foaming at the mouth yet? Are you with me? I have literally been
sleepless ever since Friday night thinking about the possibilities
here. I hope the skeptics in here give this a chance.
BN
Brian,
I understand that you aren't trying to divide the scene.It's just
one of those things that happens when another site pops up.
Some will follow, some will fall between the cracks. Like The popele
(Me for one) that still reads cowabunga and reverborama, mostly
ghosttowns, but ocasionally a passer by posts something cool.
The only thing I don't like about Forums is, if there is a real
old topic( that may be cool) it gets burried in pages and pages of
new topics. Look at the Tiki Central forum. Some old topics
haven't been brought current. Then somebody new joins, instead of
searching for it, they post a question that has already been
discussed. But I guess that's the same on Here too.
I just like to know I've read, or at least started to view every
post on here( then if it didn't interest me, I went on to the next).
In a forum based discussion, it's all over the place. Maybe it's my
ADD that likes everything in one line, as opposed to having to jump
all over.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@...>
wrote:
> Well if they aren't paying attention that is their own fault. :P
>
> I don't want to keep both the Yahoo Group and the web forum
> indefinitely. I'll see how the reaction is. Personally, I see the
> future, and it is in web portals with story submissions. Once that
> kicks into gear, the forums should subsume this Yahoo Group. But
who
> knows, maybe I'm on crack.
>
> As for fracturing the surf community...clearly that is not my
> intention. There are so many groups because there are so many
> personality differences. People find a group they are comfortable
> with. I am not out to make any rivalries or "take over". I'm just
a
> computer geek who likes playing with software, and I found this
really
> cool software, and I want to apply it to my other interest: surf
music.
> If people dig it, then fine. If not, it will go away.
>
> Jeff, this new SG101 site is like tailor made for you. You go to
so
> many shows (lucky b*stard). All you got to do is wake up the next
> morning, go to the SG101 site, and submit a show report to me and
my
> crack staff. I'll even help check your grammar and spelling :-).
And
> then, voila, your show report is automatically added to the
database
> on the site, for all to see, kept forever. I am hoping this new
> paradigm sinks in and people get excited about it.
>
> Another example: Anyone who as been in the surf scene knows that
Ivan
> posts great reviews of CD's. Imagine having all of Ivan's reviews
in
> one place, and you don't have to go using that terrible Yahoo
search
> feature to fish his review out of thousands of posts.
>
> Am I foaming at the mouth yet? Are you with me? I have literally
been
> sleepless ever since Friday night thinking about the possibilities
> here. I hope the skeptics in here give this a chance.
>
> BN
>
Hey Jeff!
> The only thing I don't like about Forums is, if there is a real
> old topic( that may be cool) it gets burried in pages and pages of
> new topics. Look at the Tiki Central forum. Some old topics
> haven't been brought current. Then somebody new joins, instead of
> searching for it, they post a question that has already been
> discussed. But I guess that's the same on Here too.
> I just like to know I've read, or at least started to view every
> post on here( then if it didn't interest me, I went on to the next).
> In a forum based discussion, it's all over the place. Maybe it's my
> ADD that likes everything in one line, as opposed to having to jump
> all over.
The forums indicate which sub-sections have new posts since you last
visited. And you can mark topics as "all read" if you don't want to
keep up with them. I understand what you are saying though...it is
slightly different. It's a personal preference thing. Do you read this
group via email or by the web?
BN
Brian,
I view all the yahoo groups thru the web.
I am a member of 12 difffernt yahoo groups.
I wouldn't want all those e-mails, or even digests coming to my
inbox. Yahoo changes the color of the post after you've read it,
so when I get a chance to come back, I know exactally where I left
off. It always puzzles me when someone says they didn't see a
post about a band playing in their area. Like when Unlunf missed the
Pilgrims or Surf Coasters last year. Do they just deleat the
digest without reading all the topics, delate the e-mails, or just
go to the web group and not go back to where they left off????
I guess it will be cool in that there will be a section for
upcoming shows announcements. Instead of haing to wade thru tank A-
B tests and tube discussion to find what's goin' on.
But then there might be whole areas that soe people never go to.
If someone starts a thread about what strings they like,use.
I usually scan over each post about that topic, looking for little
tidbits of Info I may like. Cause it's on my way to the next post
about a cd or show review. But if there is a seperate topic section
to go to about strings, I'll probably never go there. But they may
mention something cool in that post abouta show or cd also, that
I'll miss. Just one downside.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Jeff!
>
> > The only thing I don't like about Forums is, if there is a real
> > old topic( that may be cool) it gets burried in pages and pages
of
> > new topics. Look at the Tiki Central forum. Some old topics
> > haven't been brought current. Then somebody new joins, instead
of
> > searching for it, they post a question that has already been
> > discussed. But I guess that's the same on Here too.
> > I just like to know I've read, or at least started to view every
> > post on here( then if it didn't interest me, I went on to the
next).
> > In a forum based discussion, it's all over the place. Maybe it's
my
> > ADD that likes everything in one line, as opposed to having to
jump
> > all over.
>
> The forums indicate which sub-sections have new posts since you
last
> visited. And you can mark topics as "all read" if you don't want to
> keep up with them. I understand what you are saying though...it is
> slightly different. It's a personal preference thing. Do you read
this
> group via email or by the web?
>
> BN
>
Hey Jeff!
I am so glad you are asking these questions..!
> I view all the yahoo groups thru the web.
> I am a member of 12 difffernt yahoo groups.
Yow.
> I wouldn't want all those e-mails, or even digests coming to my
> inbox. Yahoo changes the color of the post after you've read it,
> so when I get a chance to come back, I know exactally where I left
> off.
The web forums do the same thing.
> I guess it will be cool in that there will be a section for
> upcoming shows announcements. Instead of haing to wade thru tank A-
> B tests and tube discussion to find what's goin' on.
Exactly! My plan is to manage show announcements not through the web
forum, but through the story submission process. Then, if someone
wants to know if there are any good shows coming up, they just click
on the Show Announcements news area. They will see them all sorted by
date.
This story submission process is the thing I am most excited about. I
could go either way on the web forum vs Yahoo Group debate (but I am
leaning slightly towards the web forum personally). Again, this submit
story thing is the key feature.
> But then there might be whole areas that soe people never go to.
> If someone starts a thread about what strings they like,use.
> I usually scan over each post about that topic, looking for little
> tidbits of Info I may like. Cause it's on my way to the next post
> about a cd or show review. But if there is a seperate topic section
> to go to about strings, I'll probably never go there. But they may
> mention something cool in that post abouta show or cd also, that
> I'll miss. Just one downside.
This is true. But you get that in both places. Some people just skip
messages about gear or strings. People need to stick to their subject
lines no matter what type of forum they are on.
Good questions, keep them coming.
BN
My thoughts, interspersed throughout:
About paid membership support;
I'm onboard with this. Just be sure to use some method of donation
besides the use of PayPal. I'm not particularly inclined towards leaving
a trail of my purchasing habits on any server connected to the internet,
nor am I a fan of giving my purchasing records to the government.
A PO drop box is the best, because money orders owe no allegience to
anybody, nor can they be 'frozen' in for some obscure reason known only
to some clown you'll never meet, nor be able to sue when he or she has
a "senior" moment and freezes your account.
Ancilliary to that discussion;
A Hodad was a beach-scene hanger-on, or an almost surfer-wannabe, if
you will. Not worthy of any respect in the surf world. Not hated
or anything, just.... not much more than barely tolerated on the same
beach.
mom-surfing wrote;
>> The site also has a web forum which is very similiar to the list we
>> have here, but it's all graphical and filled with smilies. So unlunf
>> can stop using <g> and actually insert an icon of a smiley face. <g>
>
> this made me LOL <g> carol
Ah, but the forums don't reject text just because it's enclosed in
brackets! <g> j/k! I also use BBS code like it was html, (which in
a way, I guess it is... sort of). Smilies are my friends, so I most
likely won't be using the "pre=graphical web" way of denoting an
emotion anymore. (Does that date me, or what!)
Jeff (BTD) wrote a bunch of things, I answer as we go;
> I'd like to 2nd this question. I don't mind going over to the site
> if the forum moves. But the downside is yet another move that might
> leave behind some people that aren't paying attention.
This has already been answered adequately, but it bears repeating.
Yahoo doesn't charge for having a forum at all, let alone one that has
little or no activity. Some people form a Yahoo group just to use as
a newsletter, meaning it is set to "Announce Only" and has a frequecy of
only semi-annual or even annual. Yahoo let's those ride, so I don't
think they'll care if we convert this particular group to a similar
"Announcement" list. The upside here is, future visitors that were
referred by a link pointing to Yahoo instead of SG101 will still be
able to get where they want to go. (Ummm, if they pay attention!)
> It always puzzles me when someone says they didn't see a post about
> a band playing in their area. Like when Unlunf missed the Pilgrims or
> Surf Coasters last year.
Well, for that one time, you're correct to wonder about my whining, Jeff.
But the fact is, I wasn't a member here at that time, so I have only
myself to blame for not finding out in some other fashion about the
show(s). For proof of SG101's informative abilities, I need only
remind you that thanks to the efforts of everyone here, I *will* be at
the March 17th show in Seattle. (Notice that I won't be in Portland
the next night. Only a 2.5 hour drive (the polezei would call it
'flying low'), but the other half has already made differnet plans
for celebrating our anniverary that day!)
> If someone starts a thread about what strings they like to use,
> I usually scan over each post about that topic, looking for little
> tidbits of Info I may like. Cause it's on my way to the next post
> about a cd or show review. But if there is a seperate topic section
> to go to about strings, I'll probably never go there. But they may
> mention something cool in that post abouta show or cd also, that
> I'll miss. Just one downside.
Yeah, there is that. But you just said that you 'usually scan over
each post about [a] topic' here on the group, so why would you suddenly
start skipping some topics just because they're on a new forum? Aren't
they just as likely to contain the same 'little tidbits of info'?
Summary synopis: Brian, I'm all for this update! And thanks for doing
what you do best, which is looking to the future of both SG101 and the
Surf Music genre!
unlunf
Unlunf,
In the begginign its easy to keep ontop of things. But once a
Forum starts to get really big. You can't really read everything,
and keep up on all the topics. You have to just find one thing at a
time, and follow it till it ends or you get bored. If Yahoo sg101
has 5 to 150 posts in one day I try to read all of them. But if
there were 150 posts on a 20 differnet topics in a group. You have
to do a bit of jumping arounf to follow everything.
ON the Tiki Cantral Forum. I just go in for about a half hour,
read as much as I can before I get overwhelmed and sign out.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , "unlunf" <unlunf@...> wrote:
> Yeah, there is that. But you just said that you 'usually scan over
> each post about [a] topic' here on the group, so why would you
suddenly
> start skipping some topics just because they're on a new forum?
Aren't
> they just as likely to contain the same 'little tidbits of info'?
>
>
> Summary synopis: Brian, I'm all for this update! And thanks for
doing
> what you do best, which is looking to the future of both SG101 and
the
> Surf Music genre!
>
>
> unlunf
>
Just curious, what happened to the astro tabs? do you maybe have a zip file?
Eric
I like the link to the onion. It's all the news i need to know!
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Eric,
Astro-tabs are still there.
Just no outward link to them yet.
BN
On 2/27/06, Eric Hutchinson <> wrote:
> Just curious, what happened to the astro tabs? do you maybe have a zip file?
>
> Eric
>
Jeff,
Your point is well taken. This very group is a good
example of what you're saying - 21K+ messages, so when
I came around, I just said 'forget the history', and
read back only about a month's worth before I jumped
in.
But it's not bad now, at the new forum, and unless B&B
start a new Surf Music craze on the same order that
Pulp Fiction did, then I think it'll be quite awhile
before the new forum gets so big that you have to
start jumping around from one topic to the next.
unlunf
--- In , "Jeff" <bigtikidude@...> wrote:
>
> Unlunf,
> In the begginign its easy to keep ontop of things. But once a
> Forum starts to get really big. You can't really read everything,
> and keep up on all the topics. You have to just find one thing at a
> time, and follow it till it ends or you get bored. If Yahoo sg101
> has 5 to 150 posts in one day I try to read all of them. But if
> there were 150 posts on a 20 differnet topics in a group. You have
> to do a bit of jumping arounf to follow everything.
> ON the Tiki Cantral Forum. I just go in for about a half hour,
> read as much as I can before I get overwhelmed and sign out.
> Jeff(bigtikidude)
>
unlunf wrote:
"A Hodad was a beach-scene hanger-on, or an almost
surfer-wannabe, if you will. Not worthy of any respect in
the surf world. Not hated or anything, just.... not much
more than barely tolerated on the same beach."
well...that sort of sounds like SG 101 to me...
just kidding,
-dp
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> The forums indicate which sub-sections have new posts since you last
> visited. And you can mark topics as "all read" if you don't want to
> keep up with them. I understand what you are saying though...it is
> slightly different. It's a personal preference thing. Do you read this
> group via email or by the web?
I use email, and a real email client (as opposed to email via web browser).
I think I mentioned it the last time the forum vs. mailing list debate came up,
but it's worth repeating:
A web forum forces me to remember to go look for posts. A mailing list lets the
posts come to me.
To my mind, it's a lot like the difference between a web site that's updated
regularly, and a website with an RSS (or atom) feed. I've converted almost all
of my recreational web reading to RSS. It just works better for me...
--
Steve Kalkwarf
<>
Steve,
I prefered the Yahoo groups, but I'm finding that I'm getting
used to the forum. I believe there is a rss on the sg101
forum, I just haven't figured out how it works yet.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , Steve Kalkwarf <steve@...>
wrote:
>
> > The forums indicate which sub-sections have new posts since you
last
> > visited. And you can mark topics as "all read" if you don't want
to
> > keep up with them. I understand what you are saying though...it
is
> > slightly different. It's a personal preference thing. Do you
read this
> > group via email or by the web?
>
> I use email, and a real email client (as opposed to email via web
browser).
>
> I think I mentioned it the last time the forum vs. mailing list
debate came up,
> but it's worth repeating:
>
> A web forum forces me to remember to go look for posts. A mailing
list lets the
> posts come to me.
>
> To my mind, it's a lot like the difference between a web site
that's updated
> regularly, and a website with an RSS (or atom) feed. I've
converted almost all
> of my recreational web reading to RSS. It just works better for
me...
>
> --
> Steve Kalkwarf
> <steve@...>
>
On 2/28/06, Steve Kalkwarf <> wrote:
>
> I use email, and a real email client (as opposed to email via web browser).
>
> I think I mentioned it the last time the forum vs. mailing list debate came
up,
> but it's worth repeating:
>
> A web forum forces me to remember to go look for posts. A mailing list lets
the
> posts come to me.
>
> To my mind, it's a lot like the difference between a web site that's updated
> regularly, and a website with an RSS (or atom) feed. I've converted almost all
> of my recreational web reading to RSS. It just works better for me...
>
I think the new forum and main site can be hooked up to RSS. I'd like
to hear from you if you attempt that, as I'm not sure I have the
settings correct for that.
I don't want to leave anyone behind who loves the email aspect of the
Yahoo Group.
BN
> I think the new forum and main site can be hooked up to RSS. I'd like
> to hear from you if you attempt that, as I'm not sure I have the
> settings correct for that.
I was able to subscribe to the main forum with my newsreader. It's full-text for
the initial article, but I don't think I can see the followups.
> I don't want to leave anyone behind who loves the email aspect of the
> Yahoo Group.
If I can get all the articles through RSS, I'll manage to survive. It's not like
I post more than once or twice a year.
What's that? My 2006 quota is already up?
--
Steve Kalkwarf
<>
Steve,
I'm stumped here. On the one hand, you said that you like
using an email client, ostensibly because you get stuff
delivered to you instead of having to go look for it, right?
Yet in your very next sentence, you say:
> I have converted almost all of my recreational web reading
> to RSS.
Errr, mind if I ask how that ties in with email? I'm under
an apparently dated impression that RSS is XML dependent,
and is meant to aggragate contents from several sources located
about the internet all into one location - a single web page.
Now if you're getting someone to send you that aggregated
web page via email, I'd say "Great". But short of that, I'm
having the devil's own time trying to find any mention anywhere
on the 'net that might to bolster what I think is your position.
Care to enlighten me, please? Thanks.
unlunf
--- In , Steve Kalkwarf <steve@...> wrote:
>
> > The forums indicate which sub-sections have new posts since you last
> > visited. And you can mark topics as "all read" if you don't want to
> > keep up with them. I understand what you are saying though...it is
> > slightly different. It's a personal preference thing. Do you read this
> > group via email or by the web?
>
> I use email, and a real email client (as opposed to email via web browser).
>
> I think I mentioned it the last time the forum vs. mailing list debate came
up,
> but it's worth repeating:
>
> A web forum forces me to remember to go look for posts. A mailing list lets
the
> posts come to me.
>
> To my mind, it's a lot like the difference between a web site that's updated
> regularly, and a website with an RSS (or atom) feed. I've converted almost all
> of my recreational web reading to RSS. It just works better for me...
>
> --
> Steve Kalkwarf
> <steve@...>
>
