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A site celebrating surf and instrumental music
I don't know about the other bands with tracks that can be downloaded for
free on this website, but I certainly never gave anyone permission to put a
Jon & The Nightriders' track here (Surfin' Knots, Vol. 4). What's the
story?
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There are a number of bootleg downloadables like this out
there with many of the bands on this list. They all seem to
think theme comps they "create" can be given away, even
though they don't have any right to the recordings. Most
are out of print vintage comps, or bootlegs like Wavy Gravy
and Born Bad. None are legitimate.
I think you can contact the file server site and get them
deleted. Many are served via rapidshare. Sites like
sandgropers, Xtabay, and many others are doing this kind of
thing.
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Jon & The Nightriders' track here (Surfin' Knots, Vol. 4).
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story?
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The guy running the Sandgropers site is a really cool guy and really
enthusiastic about surf music. I contacted him about his listing of one of
the Spaghetti compilations, telling him it was still readily available, and
he took it down right away. I know on one hand, it's good exposure (usually
500-1000 people download the albums posted on the site). However, I don't
think it's cool to share albums that are still available for purchase,
unless one has permission to do so. I'd say if anyone on this list has an
issue with his sharing of their music, just drop him an e-mail and I'm sure
he'll take care of it right away.
I have to say though, I have less of a problem with websites like his
sharing rare, out-of-print vinyl recordings that probably won't be reissued.
There is some really cool, obscure stuff out there that I just don't see
anyone ever properly putting on CD (or an Itunes type service). One site had
a bizarre Lee Hazelwood LP that had instrumental recordings of all of his
big hits with Nancy Sinatra, done in the style of a 1920's ragtime band with
kazoos and clarinets and banjos. The sharing of these albums undoubtedly
reduces even further the demand for potential reissues, but at the same
time, if these aren't reissued, it's most likely that these recordings will
just fade into obscurity with few people ever having a chance to listen to
them.
What I would REALLY like to see is labels like Capitol and Liberty take all
of the music in their vaults and put it up on services like Itunes. There
isn't enough demand out there to properly release most of this stuff, but
the cost is much lower when putting music up for download. The labels could
make some serious money if they did this. Stuff like Dick Dale's original
60's albums, Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Arthur Lyman, etc. I think many
people would jump at the chance to download clean, clear recordings
legitimately for $9.99/album.
That's my $0.02....
Thanks,
Sean
Double Crown Records / The Continental Magazine
P.O. Box 4336 - Bellingham, WA 98227-4336
www.dblcrown.com
Yes, I think the intention is to post out-of-print mostly vinyl
recordings that have been deleted from record companies' back catalogs
and have a slim to little chance of being release on CD anytime soon.
I've found the sites very educational and have got to hear recordings
I never even knew existed. The only way to hear most of these would be
to find a used record somewhere. I think if the albums were
re-released on CD, most people would buy them to get a clean,
hopefully better recording of the album. I'm not affiliated with any
of the sites, by the way.
I beleive Capitol IS planning a Dick Dale vault purge.
--- Double Crown Records <> wrote:
---------------------------------
The guy running the Sandgropers site is a really cool guy
and really
enthusiastic about surf music. I contacted him about his
listing of one of
the Spaghetti compilations, telling him it was still
readily available, and
he took it down right away. I know on one hand, it's good
exposure (usually
500-1000 people download the albums posted on the site).
However, I don't
think it's cool to share albums that are still available
for purchase,
unless one has permission to do so. I'd say if anyone on
this list has an
issue with his sharing of their music, just drop him an
e-mail and I'm sure
he'll take care of it right away.
I have to say though, I have less of a problem with
websites like his
sharing rare, out-of-print vinyl recordings that probably
won't be reissued.
There is some really cool, obscure stuff out there that I
just don't see
anyone ever properly putting on CD (or an Itunes type
service). One site had
a bizarre Lee Hazelwood LP that had instrumental recordings
of all of his
big hits with Nancy Sinatra, done in the style of a 1920's
ragtime band with
kazoos and clarinets and banjos. The sharing of these
albums undoubtedly
reduces even further the demand for potential reissues, but
at the same
time, if these aren't reissued, it's most likely that these
recordings will
just fade into obscurity with few people ever having a
chance to listen to
them.
What I would REALLY like to see is labels like Capitol and
Liberty take all
of the music in their vaults and put it up on services like
Itunes. There
isn't enough demand out there to properly release most of
this stuff, but
the cost is much lower when putting music up for download.
The labels could
make some serious money if they did this. Stuff like Dick
Dale's original
60's albums, Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Arthur Lyman, etc. I
think many
people would jump at the chance to download clean, clear
recordings
legitimately for $9.99/album.
That's my $0.02....
Thanks,
Sean
Double Crown Records / The Continental Magazine
P.O. Box 4336 - Bellingham, WA 98227-4336
www.dblcrown.com
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Yes, I have heard that too - either Capitol doing it themselves, or
(perhaps more likely) Sundazed licensing the albums for release on
their label.
Sean
Double Crown Records
www.dblcrown.com
>
> I beleive Capitol IS planning a Dick Dale vault purge.
>
> --- Double Crown Records <records@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> The guy running the Sandgropers site is a really cool guy
> and really
> enthusiastic about surf music. I contacted him about his
> listing of one of
> the Spaghetti compilations, telling him it was still
> readily available, and
> he took it down right away. I know on one hand, it's good
> exposure (usually
> 500-1000 people download the albums posted on the site).
> However, I don't
> think it's cool to share albums that are still available
> for purchase,
> unless one has permission to do so. I'd say if anyone on
> this list has an
> issue with his sharing of their music, just drop him an
> e-mail and I'm sure
> he'll take care of it right away.
>
> I have to say though, I have less of a problem with
> websites like his
> sharing rare, out-of-print vinyl recordings that probably
> won't be reissued.
> There is some really cool, obscure stuff out there that I
> just don't see
> anyone ever properly putting on CD (or an Itunes type
> service). One site had
> a bizarre Lee Hazelwood LP that had instrumental recordings
> of all of his
> big hits with Nancy Sinatra, done in the style of a 1920's
> ragtime band with
> kazoos and clarinets and banjos. The sharing of these
> albums undoubtedly
> reduces even further the demand for potential reissues, but
> at the same
> time, if these aren't reissued, it's most likely that these
> recordings will
> just fade into obscurity with few people ever having a
> chance to listen to
> them.
>
> What I would REALLY like to see is labels like Capitol and
> Liberty take all
> of the music in their vaults and put it up on services like
> Itunes. There
> isn't enough demand out there to properly release most of
> this stuff, but
> the cost is much lower when putting music up for download.
> The labels could
> make some serious money if they did this. Stuff like Dick
> Dale's original
> 60's albums, Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Arthur Lyman, etc. I
> think many
> people would jump at the chance to download clean, clear
> recordings
> legitimately for $9.99/album.
>
> That's my $0.02....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
> Double Crown Records / The Continental Magazine
> P.O. Box 4336 - Bellingham, WA 98227-4336
> www.dblcrown.com
>
>
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OK I've been hearing about this for about a year now, I wonder
when it will actually happen? Probably not for awhile now, since
that Podolor stuff just came out.
by the way I just picked up a so so quality copy of
Mr. Eliminator for 15 bucks. I've seen it as high as 150 for mint
copies. Do you all think I got a fair deal?
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , "contrec" <records@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have heard that too - either Capitol doing it themselves, or
> (perhaps more likely) Sundazed licensing the albums for release on
> their label.
>
> Sean
> Double Crown Records
> www.dblcrown.com
>
>
> >
> > I beleive Capitol IS planning a Dick Dale vault purge.
> >
> > --- Double Crown Records <records@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > The guy running the Sandgropers site is a really cool guy
> > and really
> > enthusiastic about surf music. I contacted him about his
> > listing of one of
> > the Spaghetti compilations, telling him it was still
> > readily available, and
> > he took it down right away. I know on one hand, it's good
> > exposure (usually
> > 500-1000 people download the albums posted on the site).
> > However, I don't
> > think it's cool to share albums that are still available
> > for purchase,
> > unless one has permission to do so. I'd say if anyone on
> > this list has an
> > issue with his sharing of their music, just drop him an
> > e-mail and I'm sure
> > he'll take care of it right away.
> >
> > I have to say though, I have less of a problem with
> > websites like his
> > sharing rare, out-of-print vinyl recordings that probably
> > won't be reissued.
> > There is some really cool, obscure stuff out there that I
> > just don't see
> > anyone ever properly putting on CD (or an Itunes type
> > service). One site had
> > a bizarre Lee Hazelwood LP that had instrumental recordings
> > of all of his
> > big hits with Nancy Sinatra, done in the style of a 1920's
> > ragtime band with
> > kazoos and clarinets and banjos. The sharing of these
> > albums undoubtedly
> > reduces even further the demand for potential reissues, but
> > at the same
> > time, if these aren't reissued, it's most likely that these
> > recordings will
> > just fade into obscurity with few people ever having a
> > chance to listen to
> > them.
> >
> > What I would REALLY like to see is labels like Capitol and
> > Liberty take all
> > of the music in their vaults and put it up on services like
> > Itunes. There
> > isn't enough demand out there to properly release most of
> > this stuff, but
> > the cost is much lower when putting music up for download.
> > The labels could
> > make some serious money if they did this. Stuff like Dick
> > Dale's original
> > 60's albums, Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Arthur Lyman, etc. I
> > think many
> > people would jump at the chance to download clean, clear
> > recordings
> > legitimately for $9.99/album.
> >
> > That's my $0.02....
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sean
> > Double Crown Records / The Continental Magazine
> > P.O. Box 4336 - Bellingham, WA 98227-4336
> > www.dblcrown.com
> >
> >
> >
> > .
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>
> > I have to say though, I have less of a problem with websites like
> > his sharing rare, out-of-print vinyl recordings that probably
> > won't be reissued.
I've got a question for some (any) of the published musicians lurking around
here:
What is your opinion of sites like this?
Up until very recently, I had never downloaded anything that wasn't at
Archive.org, or another legitimate site. But faced with the possibility of
hearing Jim Messina & his Jesters for the first time, I couldn't resist...
I'll never listen to this on my home stereo (I hate mp3 artifacts), but it did
make me consider picking up a turntable, and restarting my vinyl collection.
Is there any future for out-of-print albums?
iTunes is not it: Any lossy format is not going to be "good enough" for me.
Remember when eMusic started up? I paid $10 a month, and downloaded a couple
dozen full albums a week. Music I liked *I bought on CD*. I used eMusic as a
sample resource, not as an end result. They later changed the rules, and limited
the downloads. I think they missed a great business opportunity.
What about micro-publishing? I would have no problem paying the $10-16 a typical
CD goes for to purchase a one-off CDR with laser printed tray art. In fact, I'd
pay the *same amount* to download a lossless (FLAC, Apple Lossless, etc.) album,
and burn it myself. It's all about the music and quality, not the price and
convenience.
Is this sort of model possible, or is the ownership of master tape, publishing
rights, and other stuff I know nothing about too tangled and difficult to
navigate?
--
Steve Kalkwarf
<>
There's plenty of future for out of print albums but not if they become readily
available on the internet.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Kalkwarf
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Sandgropers Surfspot
> > I have to say though, I have less of a problem with websites like
> > his sharing rare, out-of-print vinyl recordings that probably
> > won't be reissued.
I've got a question for some (any) of the published musicians lurking around
here:
What is your opinion of sites like this?
Up until very recently, I had never downloaded anything that wasn't at
Archive.org, or another legitimate site. But faced with the possibility of
hearing Jim Messina & his Jesters for the first time, I couldn't resist...
I'll never listen to this on my home stereo (I hate mp3 artifacts), but it did
make me consider picking up a turntable, and restarting my vinyl collection.
Is there any future for out-of-print albums?
iTunes is not it: Any lossy format is not going to be "good enough" for me.
Remember when eMusic started up? I paid $10 a month, and downloaded a couple
dozen full albums a week. Music I liked *I bought on CD*. I used eMusic as a
sample resource, not as an end result. They later changed the rules, and
limited
the downloads. I think they missed a great business opportunity.
What about micro-publishing? I would have no problem paying the $10-16 a
typical
CD goes for to purchase a one-off CDR with laser printed tray art. In fact,
I'd
pay the *same amount* to download a lossless (FLAC, Apple Lossless, etc.)
album,
and burn it myself. It's all about the music and quality, not the price and
convenience.
Is this sort of model possible, or is the ownership of master tape, publishing
rights, and other stuff I know nothing about too tangled and difficult to
navigate?
--
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Hey, that's a cool website! I don't want to get into a discussion
over the legality or whatever of this thing. Instead, I really
wanted to recommend that people check out the album there
called "Twango: 20 Classic Instrumental Rarities". This is all Brit
sixties instros, most of them not well known at all except to nuts
like myself. Anyway, some of it is crap, but there a handful on
songs on that album that are just amazing! Check out the
Dakotas "Oyeh" (with the sublime Mick Green on lead guitar, formerly
of Johnny Kidd & the Pirates), The Nu-Notes "Fury", The Cougars "Our
Man In Siberia", The Gladiators "Bleak House", The Krew Kats "Peak
Hour" and "The Bat" (with Brian Bennett and Brian Locking as the
rhythm section, both of whom later became members of the Shadows,
and Big Jim Sullivan on lead guitar, a guitar teacher both to Jimmy
Page and Ritchie Blackmore), The Staccatos "Topaz", and The
Scorpions' surfy "Scorpio" and "Rockin' At the Phil". This is GOOD
stuff! Definitely take a listen, I highly recommend it - and it's
free!
Ivan
--- In , "Double Crown Records"
<records@...> wrote:
>
> The guy running the Sandgropers site is a really cool guy and
really
> enthusiastic about surf music. I contacted him about his listing
of one of
> the Spaghetti compilations, telling him it was still readily
available, and
> he took it down right away. I know on one hand, it's good exposure
(usually
> 500-1000 people download the albums posted on the site). However,
I don't
> think it's cool to share albums that are still available for
purchase,
> unless one has permission to do so. I'd say if anyone on this list
has an
> issue with his sharing of their music, just drop him an e-mail and
I'm sure
> he'll take care of it right away.
>
> I have to say though, I have less of a problem with websites like
his
> sharing rare, out-of-print vinyl recordings that probably won't be
reissued.
> There is some really cool, obscure stuff out there that I just
don't see
> anyone ever properly putting on CD (or an Itunes type service).
One site had
> a bizarre Lee Hazelwood LP that had instrumental recordings of all
of his
> big hits with Nancy Sinatra, done in the style of a 1920's ragtime
band with
> kazoos and clarinets and banjos. The sharing of these albums
undoubtedly
> reduces even further the demand for potential reissues, but at the
same
> time, if these aren't reissued, it's most likely that these
recordings will
> just fade into obscurity with few people ever having a chance to
listen to
> them.
>
> What I would REALLY like to see is labels like Capitol and Liberty
take all
> of the music in their vaults and put it up on services like
Itunes. There
> isn't enough demand out there to properly release most of this
stuff, but
> the cost is much lower when putting music up for download. The
labels could
> make some serious money if they did this. Stuff like Dick Dale's
original
> 60's albums, Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Arthur Lyman, etc. I think
many
> people would jump at the chance to download clean, clear recordings
> legitimately for $9.99/album.
>
> That's my $0.02....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
> Double Crown Records / The Continental Magazine
> P.O. Box 4336 - Bellingham, WA 98227-4336
> www.dblcrown.com
>
I have the lp of that album...ad your review is dead on...
some crap mixed with gems. Good listening and some very
interesting and unique tunes there.
-dp
--- ipongrac <> wrote:
> Hey, that's a cool website! I don't want to get into a
> discussion
> over the legality or whatever of this thing. Instead, I
> really
> wanted to recommend that people check out the album there
>
> called "Twango: 20 Classic Instrumental Rarities". This
> is all Brit
> sixties instros, most of them not well known at all
> except to nuts
> like myself. Anyway, some of it is crap, but there a
> handful on
> songs on that album that are just amazing! Check out the
>
> Dakotas "Oyeh" (with the sublime Mick Green on lead
> guitar, formerly
> of Johnny Kidd & the Pirates), The Nu-Notes "Fury", The
> Cougars "Our
> Man In Siberia", The Gladiators "Bleak House", The Krew
> Kats "Peak
> Hour" and "The Bat" (with Brian Bennett and Brian Locking
> as the
> rhythm section, both of whom later became members of the
> Shadows,
> and Big Jim Sullivan on lead guitar, a guitar teacher
> both to Jimmy
> Page and Ritchie Blackmore), The Staccatos "Topaz", and
> The
> Scorpions' surfy "Scorpio" and "Rockin' At the Phil".
> This is GOOD
> stuff! Definitely take a listen, I highly recommend it -
> and it's
> free!
>
> Ivan
>
>
> --- In , "Double Crown
> Records"
> <records@...> wrote:
> >
> > The guy running the Sandgropers site is a really cool
> guy and
> really
> > enthusiastic about surf music. I contacted him about
> his listing
> of one of
> > the Spaghetti compilations, telling him it was still
> readily
> available, and
> > he took it down right away. I know on one hand, it's
> good exposure
> (usually
> > 500-1000 people download the albums posted on the
> site). However,
> I don't
> > think it's cool to share albums that are still
> available for
> purchase,
> > unless one has permission to do so. I'd say if anyone
> on this list
> has an
> > issue with his sharing of their music, just drop him an
> e-mail and
> I'm sure
> > he'll take care of it right away.
> >
> > I have to say though, I have less of a problem with
> websites like
> his
> > sharing rare, out-of-print vinyl recordings that
> probably won't be
> reissued.
> > There is some really cool, obscure stuff out there that
> I just
> don't see
> > anyone ever properly putting on CD (or an Itunes type
> service).
> One site had
> > a bizarre Lee Hazelwood LP that had instrumental
> recordings of all
> of his
> > big hits with Nancy Sinatra, done in the style of a
> 1920's ragtime
> band with
> > kazoos and clarinets and banjos. The sharing of these
> albums
> undoubtedly
> > reduces even further the demand for potential reissues,
> but at the
> same
> > time, if these aren't reissued, it's most likely that
> these
> recordings will
> > just fade into obscurity with few people ever having a
> chance to
> listen to
> > them.
> >
> > What I would REALLY like to see is labels like Capitol
> and Liberty
> take all
> > of the music in their vaults and put it up on services
> like
> Itunes. There
> > isn't enough demand out there to properly release most
> of this
> stuff, but
> > the cost is much lower when putting music up for
> download. The
> labels could
> > make some serious money if they did this. Stuff like
> Dick Dale's
> original
> > 60's albums, Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Arthur Lyman,
> etc. I think
> many
> > people would jump at the chance to download clean,
> clear recordings
> > legitimately for $9.99/album.
> >
> > That's my $0.02....
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sean
> > Double Crown Records / The Continental Magazine
> > P.O. Box 4336 - Bellingham, WA 98227-4336
> > www.dblcrown.com
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
> Visit for
> archived messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--I agree, the demand is lessened when it's readily available on the
internet. But what's being put up there is people recording from their
turntable to their computer. Some clean up the recordings, but most
are complete with pops, clicks and static. With these downloads so
prevelant now, it's really time for the labels that own the masters to
get off their arses and find a way to make it commercially available.
To me sites like Itunes are just fine - it's not CD quality, but for
many it's good enough (myself included). Or, as somebody else
suggested, some system for ordering CD-R's. The problem is that the
labels like Capitol that own the masters ARE willing to let other
labels license the recordings, but they either require a huge payment
up front (which'll never be recouped) or require a large number of
CD's produced. People often as if Double Crown will ever do 60's
reissues, but because of these requirements it's really something I
doubt I'll ever pursue.
Thanks,
Sean
Double Crown Records
www.dblcrown.com
> There's plenty of future for out of print albums but not if they
become readily available on the internet.
