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Hey there,
Here's a sound/tech question:
Does anyone know if Fiberglass in Fender cabs(bassman, bandmaster, or
other piggy-backs)help as far as tone is concerned?
I know it is supposed to kill "standing waves", but does it help tone?
AND, how many Fender cabs came stuffed with fiberglass?
Is it a CBS thing?
Did Leo design it that way from the start??
Any thoughts on this would be welcomed.
Lewis
--- In , "thenovarays" <thenovarays@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey there,
> Here's a sound/tech question:
> Does anyone know if Fiberglass in Fender cabs(bassman, bandmaster, or
> other piggy-backs)help as far as tone is concerned?
> I know it is supposed to kill "standing waves", but does it help tone?
> AND, how many Fender cabs came stuffed with fiberglass?
> Is it a CBS thing?
> Did Leo design it that way from the start??
>
> Any thoughts on this would be welcomed.
>
> Lewis
most of what you see when you picture-google has the fiberglass so i
guess it's original - In my cabs the emphasized the mid-tones a lot, so
I took it out pronto - but these are not original Fender cabs so who
knows. (correct sizes though)
you can try it and see what it sounds like - it'cheap stuff and you
needn't attach it to try it
WR
As far as I know, Fender put fiberglass in all the small cabs including the
dual showman 12 x 24 x 36. I have fooled around with adding and subtracting the
stuff at great length....I think Fender had a good balance using the 6 to 8 bats
per speaker depending on cab volume/speaker type and size.....I have found that
if you stuff a lot more in, you'll get a lot less bass out.....It is an easy
tuning variable.......if you have a good electric screwdriver........ed (the
lazy)
thenovarays <> wrote: Hey there,
Here's a sound/tech question:
Does anyone know if Fiberglass in Fender cabs(bassman, bandmaster, or
other piggy-backs)help as far as tone is concerned?
I know it is supposed to kill "standing waves", but does it help tone?
AND, how many Fender cabs came stuffed with fiberglass?
Is it a CBS thing?
Did Leo design it that way from the start??
Any thoughts on this would be welcomed.
Lewis
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--- In , "thenovarays" <thenovarays@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey there,
> Here's a sound/tech question:
> Does anyone know if Fiberglass in Fender cabs(bassman, bandmaster, or
> other piggy-backs)help as far as tone is concerned?
> I know it is supposed to kill "standing waves", but does it help tone?
> AND, how many Fender cabs came stuffed with fiberglass?
> Is it a CBS thing?
> Did Leo design it that way from the start??
>
> Any thoughts on this would be welcomed.
>
The '66 Dual Showman I bought came stuffed with fiberglass, and most
Showman cabs I have seen on Ebay seem to have it. My guess is yes,
Fender built 'em that way.
BN
Lewis,
As you've seen here on the SG101, the definition of tone, even
within this small subset of musicians, can vary all over the map.
So for one to say that 'yes, fiberglass helps', or 'no, it
doesn't', that's just one person's opinion.
But for what it's worth, several other respondents have correctly
pointed out that Leo originally stuffed all of his closed back
cabinets with at least one layer of 6" batting. In all of the
cases I've ever seen, the speaker was completely surrounded with
the stuff (loosely, of course). Often, the insulation was stapled
to the back as well as the sides, but not always.
Never mind the techno-mumbo-jumbo about why we stuff insulation
into a cab, the bottom line is, if you think it sounds better to
your ears, then put it in/leave it in. If you don't like it,
pull it out/leave it out. One thing though..... don't put in
too much. If it's packed even a little bit, you'll get the
opposite effect from what you intended - the sound waves will
be carried directly to the wood, instead of being partially
or fully prevented from reaching the wood.
IMHO, if you have original Fender branded Utah, Oxford or Jensen
speakers, then put some insulation in the box. It will tighten up
the bass, making it more punchy and less mushy. However, like
I said, that *is* just my opinion.... YMMV. <g> Other speaker
brands may or may not benefit from using insulation.
unlunf
p.s. Be sure to tighten all the back panel screws for each
test. If you don't do that, you'll probably get misleading
results from your testing. And if you strip one or more screw
holes, just shove a couple of toothpicks down the hole with a
bit of Elmer's glue, and let it dry overnight - Bingo!
--- In , "thenovarays" <thenovarays@...> wrote:
>
> Hey there,
> Here's a sound/tech question:
> Does anyone know if Fiberglass in Fender cabs(bassman, bandmaster, or
> other piggy-backs)help as far as tone is concerned?
> I know it is supposed to kill "standing waves", but does it help tone?
> AND, how many Fender cabs came stuffed with fiberglass?
> Is it a CBS thing?
> Did Leo design it that way from the start??
>
> Any thoughts on this would be welcomed.
>
> Lewis
>
Well, thanks for the timely feedback on my question...
It's funny, when dealing with these 40 years old plus Fenders, you
find that people have done ALL KINDS of things to them.
My bandmaster, which came with a bassman cab, is the only cab I've
seen over the years with original fiberglass still intact, it also
came with Pile Driver speakers(which sound GREAT, by the by!)
Every other Fender cab I've seen had NO fiberglass in them, and I
wasn't sure if Fender made them with or without fiberglass filling.
I've taken the glass out for now, later I may invest in some
Celestion Green backs or some Webers(which ever is LIGHTER!) but for
now the amp sounds GREAT and I haven't replaced the Caps or tubes yet.
(see photos that I uploaded)
So, after I do a rebuild on the head and get some new power tubes,
I'll address what I may do with the cab.
Like I said, man, those Pile Drivers sound GREAT!
So, we'll see...and I'll keep you guys informed!
Lew
--- In , "unlunf" <unlunf@...> wrote:
>
> Lewis,
>
> As you've seen here on the SG101, the definition of tone, even
> within this small subset of musicians, can vary all over the map.
> So for one to say that 'yes, fiberglass helps', or 'no, it
> doesn't', that's just one person's opinion.
>
> But for what it's worth, several other respondents have correctly
> pointed out that Leo originally stuffed all of his closed back
> cabinets with at least one layer of 6" batting. In all of the
> cases I've ever seen, the speaker was completely surrounded with
> the stuff (loosely, of course). Often, the insulation was stapled
> to the back as well as the sides, but not always.
>
> Never mind the techno-mumbo-jumbo about why we stuff insulation
> into a cab, the bottom line is, if you think it sounds better to
> your ears, then put it in/leave it in. If you don't like it,
> pull it out/leave it out. One thing though..... don't put in
> too much. If it's packed even a little bit, you'll get the
> opposite effect from what you intended - the sound waves will
> be carried directly to the wood, instead of being partially
> or fully prevented from reaching the wood.
>
> IMHO, if you have original Fender branded Utah, Oxford or Jensen
> speakers, then put some insulation in the box. It will tighten up
> the bass, making it more punchy and less mushy. However, like
> I said, that *is* just my opinion.... YMMV. <g> Other speaker
> brands may or may not benefit from using insulation.
>
>
> unlunf
>
> p.s. Be sure to tighten all the back panel screws for each
> test. If you don't do that, you'll probably get misleading
> results from your testing. And if you strip one or more screw
> holes, just shove a couple of toothpicks down the hole with a
> bit of Elmer's glue, and let it dry overnight - Bingo!
>
>
>
> --- In , "thenovarays" <thenovarays@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hey there,
> > Here's a sound/tech question:
> > Does anyone know if Fiberglass in Fender cabs(bassman,
bandmaster, or
> > other piggy-backs)help as far as tone is concerned?
> > I know it is supposed to kill "standing waves", but does it help
tone?
> > AND, how many Fender cabs came stuffed with fiberglass?
> > Is it a CBS thing?
> > Did Leo design it that way from the start??
> >
> > Any thoughts on this would be welcomed.
> >
> > Lewis
> >
>
