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Gang,
Well, first of all, thanks for everyone's opinion. I'm glad
that more than just one or two of you provided input here.
Second, and just as important: Bruce, I'm sorry to have heard
about your back. I'm happy to report that I don't have that
problem, but it must be due to pure dumb luck, not any
"thinking of the future" that I was blathering about a few
posts ago. That kind of maturity didn't come upon me until
very late in the game, I'm ashamed to admit. Anyway, best
of luck, and when the chiro gets ready to trade up, ask him
for his old Lexi.... after all, you practically paid for it! <g>
For what it's worth folks, I don't think that anyone here is
a 'nazi' about his opinion. Each of you has his/her reasons
doing what he does, and no one, least of all me, can take that
away from you. There have been some good questions proposed
along the way, such as when is it progression from the
original; what's more important, tone or appearance; etc.
If it were up to me, I'd say that between us all, we've got
all the bases covered, both in preservation of history and in
making sure the future doesn't observe this genre as 'stagnant
or dead' in some fashion.
But, if you'll let me, I'd like to ask one more question,
somewhat related to Bruce's situation. If tone is so important
to you, do you wear earplugs? I'll start the ball by admitting
that yes, I do in fact wear 'em, and have done so for more than
25 years. If you're interested, I'll give my opinion on why
my choice of earplug is one of the best "health investments"
you'll ever make.
unlunf
p.s. Sorry, I'll probably one be checking in once a day for
the next several days - the other half has seen the sun come
out, and you know what that means! <lol>
Unlunf,
I'm not ashamed to say that I've been wearing earplugs
when playing live or going to concerts for about 30 years.
I learned the hard way at a fairly young age, and was (for
once) smart enough to decide to protect my hearing from any
further damage. I got a lot of sh*t and ridicule over the
years, but I'm the one who can still hear fairly well, while
my old buddies are darn near deaf. I started out using
Norton "sonic ear valves", but lately have gone to the
higher end "Hearoes". Both allow a certain amount of
sound through. To give a very general, non-technical view,
the sonic ear valves cut the high frequencies,while the
hearoes reduce the decibels across the whole frequency
spectrum.
The band I play in now doesn't play out, and when we practice
or jam, we all plug into a mixer and play under headphones.
Believe me, I love the sound of a cranked amp, and the feeling
of moving air, but playing this way offers some distinct
advantages. We don't bother the neighbors, can hear each other
in perfect balance, and are not deaf at the end of the night.
Plus, the security of the gear is there because nobody
can hear us blasting.
I'll be interested to hear other opinions on this topic...
Bob S.
> But, if you'll let me, I'd like to ask one more question,
> somewhat related to Bruce's situation. If tone is so important
> to you, do you wear earplugs? I'll start the ball by admitting
> that yes, I do in fact wear 'em, and have done so for more than
> 25 years. If you're interested, I'll give my opinion on why
> my choice of earplug is one of the best "health investments"
> you'll ever make.
>
>
> unlunf
I just got a pair of prescription custom earplugs. They should be
ready for pickup in a couple of days. I just can't take loud noises
any more. It really annoys me. Mainly the higher frequencies. During
my chemo treatment I got some frequent tinnitus. They earplugs are
about $150. I personally get them covered by insurance because my
hearing sensativity was caused by a medical "condition"/treatment. It
would have been only $50 more for in-ear monitors but I didn't really
need those and wouldn't really ever have the chance to use them.
I currently use the Hearos and I don't think they are very great. I
notice a drop in some areas of the sound spectrum. The ones I am
getting have the same curve of what the ear actually hears.
--- In , "Bob Steingraber"
<bobsteingraber@...> wrote:
>
> Unlunf,
>
> I'm not ashamed to say that I've been wearing earplugs
> when playing live or going to concerts for about 30 years.
> I learned the hard way at a fairly young age, and was (for
> once) smart enough to decide to protect my hearing from any
> further damage. I got a lot of sh*t and ridicule over the
> years, but I'm the one who can still hear fairly well, while
> my old buddies are darn near deaf. I started out using
> Norton "sonic ear valves", but lately have gone to the
> higher end "Hearoes". Both allow a certain amount of
> sound through. To give a very general, non-technical view,
> the sonic ear valves cut the high frequencies,while the
> hearoes reduce the decibels across the whole frequency
> spectrum.
>
> The band I play in now doesn't play out, and when we practice
> or jam, we all plug into a mixer and play under headphones.
> Believe me, I love the sound of a cranked amp, and the feeling
> of moving air, but playing this way offers some distinct
> advantages. We don't bother the neighbors, can hear each other
> in perfect balance, and are not deaf at the end of the night.
> Plus, the security of the gear is there because nobody
> can hear us blasting.
>
> I'll be interested to hear other opinions on this topic...
>
> Bob S.
>
> > But, if you'll let me, I'd like to ask one more question,
> > somewhat related to Bruce's situation. If tone is so important
> > to you, do you wear earplugs? I'll start the ball by admitting
> > that yes, I do in fact wear 'em, and have done so for more than
> > 25 years. If you're interested, I'll give my opinion on why
> > my choice of earplug is one of the best "health investments"
> > you'll ever make.
> >
> >
> > unlunf
>
Bob:
I wear the SonicIII shooter/baffle style earplugs while
playing or practicing. During my punk days in the 1980s, I
only wore 1 earplug (in my right ear, the one nearest the
drummer.) I find that the right ear is still in pretty
decent shape, the left ear has a bit of tinitus/ringing
every now and then.
I feel that most of the damage to my hearing happened under
headphones. I spent hours and hours and hours of late
nights mixing and recording under the AKGs...and sometimes
at very loud levels. Ever since I limited my exposure to
headphones (I use studio monitors now), my hearing has
improved dramatically. Much less tinitus/ringing and
overall listening fatigue. For me, the headphones are the
killer.
-dp
--- Bob Steingraber <> wrote:
> Unlunf,
>
> I'm not ashamed to say that I've been wearing earplugs
> when playing live or going to concerts for about 30
> years.
> I learned the hard way at a fairly young age, and was
> (for
> once) smart enough to decide to protect my hearing from
> any
> further damage. I got a lot of sh*t and ridicule over the
>
> years, but I'm the one who can still hear fairly well,
> while
> my old buddies are darn near deaf. I started out using
> Norton "sonic ear valves", but lately have gone to the
> higher end "Hearoes". Both allow a certain amount of
> sound through. To give a very general, non-technical
> view,
> the sonic ear valves cut the high frequencies,while the
> hearoes reduce the decibels across the whole frequency
> spectrum.
>
> The band I play in now doesn't play out, and when we
> practice
> or jam, we all plug into a mixer and play under
> headphones.
> Believe me, I love the sound of a cranked amp, and the
> feeling
> of moving air, but playing this way offers some distinct
> advantages. We don't bother the neighbors, can hear each
> other
> in perfect balance, and are not deaf at the end of the
> night.
> Plus, the security of the gear is there because nobody
> can hear us blasting.
>
> I'll be interested to hear other opinions on this
> topic...
>
> Bob S.
>
> > But, if you'll let me, I'd like to ask one more
> question,
> > somewhat related to Bruce's situation. If tone is so
> important
> > to you, do you wear earplugs? I'll start the ball by
> admitting
> > that yes, I do in fact wear 'em, and have done so for
> more than
> > 25 years. If you're interested, I'll give my opinion
> on why
> > my choice of earplug is one of the best "health
> investments"
> > you'll ever make.
> >
> >
> > unlunf
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Jacob:
do you know the manufacturer of your custom plugs?
...that way I can ask my doctor about them.
thanks,
-dp
--- Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
> I just got a pair of prescription custom earplugs. They
> should be
> ready for pickup in a couple of days. I just can't take
> loud noises
> any more. It really annoys me. Mainly the higher
> frequencies. During
> my chemo treatment I got some frequent tinnitus. They
> earplugs are
> about $150. I personally get them covered by insurance
> because my
> hearing sensativity was caused by a medical
> "condition"/treatment. It
> would have been only $50 more for in-ear monitors but I
> didn't really
> need those and wouldn't really ever have the chance to
> use them.
>
> I currently use the Hearos and I don't think they are
> very great. I
> notice a drop in some areas of the sound spectrum. The
> ones I am
> getting have the same curve of what the ear actually
> hears.
>
> --- In , "Bob Steingraber"
> <bobsteingraber@...> wrote:
> >
> > Unlunf,
> >
> > I'm not ashamed to say that I've been wearing earplugs
> > when playing live or going to concerts for about 30
> years.
> > I learned the hard way at a fairly young age, and was
> (for
> > once) smart enough to decide to protect my hearing from
> any
> > further damage. I got a lot of sh*t and ridicule over
> the
> > years, but I'm the one who can still hear fairly well,
> while
> > my old buddies are darn near deaf. I started out using
> > Norton "sonic ear valves", but lately have gone to the
> > higher end "Hearoes". Both allow a certain amount of
> > sound through. To give a very general, non-technical
> view,
> > the sonic ear valves cut the high frequencies,while the
>
> > hearoes reduce the decibels across the whole frequency
> > spectrum.
> >
> > The band I play in now doesn't play out, and when we
> practice
> > or jam, we all plug into a mixer and play under
> headphones.
> > Believe me, I love the sound of a cranked amp, and the
> feeling
> > of moving air, but playing this way offers some
> distinct
> > advantages. We don't bother the neighbors, can hear
> each other
> > in perfect balance, and are not deaf at the end of the
> night.
> > Plus, the security of the gear is there because nobody
> > can hear us blasting.
> >
> > I'll be interested to hear other opinions on this
> topic...
> >
> > Bob S.
> >
> > > But, if you'll let me, I'd like to ask one more
> question,
> > > somewhat related to Bruce's situation. If tone is so
> important
> > > to you, do you wear earplugs? I'll start the ball by
> admitting
> > > that yes, I do in fact wear 'em, and have done so for
> more than
> > > 25 years. If you're interested, I'll give my opinion
> on why
> > > my choice of earplug is one of the best "health
> investments"
> > > you'll ever make.
> > >
> > >
> > > unlunf
> >
>
>
>
>
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--- In , DP <noetical1@...> wrote:
>
> Jacob:
>
> do you know the manufacturer of your custom plugs?
>
> ...that way I can ask my doctor about them.
>
> thanks,
> -dp
>
>
>
> --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@...> wrote:
>
> > I just got a pair of prescription custom earplugs. They
> > should be
> > ready for pickup in a couple of days. I just can't take
> > loud noises
> > any more. It really annoys me. Mainly the higher
> > frequencies. During
> > my chemo treatment I got some frequent tinnitus. They
> > earplugs are
> > about $150. I personally get them covered by insurance
> > because my
> > hearing sensativity was caused by a medical
> > "condition"/treatment. It
> > would have been only $50 more for in-ear monitors but I
> > didn't really
> > need those and wouldn't really ever have the chance to
> > use them.
> >
> > I currently use the Hearos and I don't think they are
> > very great. I
> > notice a drop in some areas of the sound spectrum. The
> > ones I am
> > getting have the same curve of what the ear actually
> > hears.
> >
> > --- In , "Bob Steingraber"
> > <bobsteingraber@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Unlunf,
> > >
> > > I'm not ashamed to say that I've been wearing earplugs
> > > when playing live or going to concerts for about 30
> > years.
> > > I learned the hard way at a fairly young age, and was
> > (for
> > > once) smart enough to decide to protect my hearing from
> > any
> > > further damage. I got a lot of sh*t and ridicule over
> > the
> > > years, but I'm the one who can still hear fairly well,
> > while
> > > my old buddies are darn near deaf. I started out using
> > > Norton "sonic ear valves", but lately have gone to the
> > > higher end "Hearoes". Both allow a certain amount of
> > > sound through. To give a very general, non-technical
> > view,
> > > the sonic ear valves cut the high frequencies,while the
> >
> > > hearoes reduce the decibels across the whole frequency
> > > spectrum.
> > >
> > > The band I play in now doesn't play out, and when we
> > practice
> > > or jam, we all plug into a mixer and play under
> > headphones.
> > > Believe me, I love the sound of a cranked amp, and the
> > feeling
> > > of moving air, but playing this way offers some
> > distinct
> > > advantages. We don't bother the neighbors, can hear
> > each other
> > > in perfect balance, and are not deaf at the end of the
> > night.
> > > Plus, the security of the gear is there because nobody
> > > can hear us blasting.
> > >
> > > I'll be interested to hear other opinions on this
> > topic...
> > >
> > > Bob S.
> > >
> > > > But, if you'll let me, I'd like to ask one more
> > question,
> > > > somewhat related to Bruce's situation. If tone is so
> > important
> > > > to you, do you wear earplugs? I'll start the ball by
> > admitting
> > > > that yes, I do in fact wear 'em, and have done so for
> > more than
> > > > 25 years. If you're interested, I'll give my opinion
> > on why
> > > > my choice of earplug is one of the best "health
> > investments"
> > > > you'll ever make.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > unlunf
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--- Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
> Westone makes them. Your audiologist will know most about
> them. You
> have to go visit an audiologist to get them made.
>
> --- In , DP <noetical1@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Jacob:
> >
> > do you know the manufacturer of your custom plugs?
> >
> > ...that way I can ask my doctor about them.
> >
> > thanks,
> > -dp
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I just got a pair of prescription custom earplugs.
> They
> > > should be
> > > ready for pickup in a couple of days. I just can't
> take
> > > loud noises
> > > any more. It really annoys me. Mainly the higher
> > > frequencies. During
> > > my chemo treatment I got some frequent tinnitus. They
> > > earplugs are
> > > about $150. I personally get them covered by
> insurance
> > > because my
> > > hearing sensativity was caused by a medical
> > > "condition"/treatment. It
> > > would have been only $50 more for in-ear monitors but
> I
> > > didn't really
> > > need those and wouldn't really ever have the chance
> to
> > > use them.
> > >
> > > I currently use the Hearos and I don't think they are
> > > very great. I
> > > notice a drop in some areas of the sound spectrum.
> The
> > > ones I am
> > > getting have the same curve of what the ear actually
> > > hears.
> > >
> > > --- In , "Bob
> Steingraber"
> > > <bobsteingraber@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Unlunf,
> > > >
> > > > I'm not ashamed to say that I've been wearing
> earplugs
> > > > when playing live or going to concerts for about 30
> > > years.
> > > > I learned the hard way at a fairly young age, and
> was
> > > (for
> > > > once) smart enough to decide to protect my hearing
> from
> > > any
> > > > further damage. I got a lot of sh*t and ridicule
> over
> > > the
> > > > years, but I'm the one who can still hear fairly
> well,
> > > while
> > > > my old buddies are darn near deaf. I started out
> using
> > > > Norton "sonic ear valves", but lately have gone to
> the
> > > > higher end "Hearoes". Both allow a certain amount
> of
> > > > sound through. To give a very general,
> non-technical
> > > view,
> > > > the sonic ear valves cut the high frequencies,while
> the
> > >
> > > > hearoes reduce the decibels across the whole
> frequency
> > > > spectrum.
> > > >
> > > > The band I play in now doesn't play out, and when
> we
> > > practice
> > > > or jam, we all plug into a mixer and play under
> > > headphones.
> > > > Believe me, I love the sound of a cranked amp, and
> the
> > > feeling
> > > > of moving air, but playing this way offers some
> > > distinct
> > > > advantages. We don't bother the neighbors, can hear
> > > each other
> > > > in perfect balance, and are not deaf at the end of
> the
> > > night.
> > > > Plus, the security of the gear is there because
> nobody
> > > > can hear us blasting.
> > > >
> > > > I'll be interested to hear other opinions on this
> > > topic...
> > > >
> > > > Bob S.
> > > >
> > > > > But, if you'll let me, I'd like to ask one more
> > > question,
> > > > > somewhat related to Bruce's situation. If tone
> is so
> > > important
> > > > > to you, do you wear earplugs? I'll start the
> ball by
> > > admitting
> > > > > that yes, I do in fact wear 'em, and have done so
> for
> > > more than
> > > > > 25 years. If you're interested, I'll give my
> opinion
> > > on why
> > > > > my choice of earplug is one of the best "health
> > > investments"
> > > > > you'll ever make.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > unlunf
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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