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Vintage Fender 1967 Blackface Twin Reverb on Craigslist

Bronco (ahospodor) - 22 Jan 2006 11:10:38

I just finished restoration of this completely original BF Twin.
The reverb is wet and lucious and the vibrato is downright drippy. I
would really like to see this go to another surf guitarist and priced
it $200 under the Vintage Guitar Price guide value.
Drop me an email if you want to come by Los Gatos and play it.
watchesATacm.org
... Bronco

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unlunf - 22 Jan 2006 16:42:48

I probably should do this privately, but what if
someone really is "silly" enough to fall for it......
Bronco,
At the most expensive store in the Seattle area (Trading Musician),
you can pickup one of two or three of these things for no more than
$1299. Without the JBL's, a portrait of Grover Cleveland would snag
the amp for you. And that's after adding their markup for being the
trendiest fad store in the area.
Sorry, but the internet is the great equalizer of pricing. It doesn't
matter what any "guide" says, the only thing that matters is what the
guy down the street is getting for the same item. Just thought you
should know what you're up against. No hard feelings, right? <>
unlunf
--- In , "Bronco" <watches@a...> wrote:
>
> I just finished restoration of this completely original BF Twin.
>
>
>
> The reverb is wet and lucious and the vibrato is downright drippy.
> I would really like to see this go to another surf guitarist and
> priced it $200 under the Vintage Guitar Price guide value.
>
> Drop me an email if you want to come by Los Gatos and play it.
> watchesATacm.org
>
> ... Bronco
>

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urbansurfkings - 22 Jan 2006 17:05:14

> > I would really like to see this go to another surf guitarist and
> > priced it $200 under the Vintage Guitar Price guide value.
Under $200!!! WoW!
Mike

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urbansurfkings - 22 Jan 2006 17:08:04

Oops...me thought it was under $200 for amp. Me not thinkin' right
today.
Sorry
Mike
--- In , "urbansurfkings"
<surfkings@h...> wrote:
>
>
> > > I would really like to see this go to another surf guitarist
and
> > > priced it $200 under the Vintage Guitar Price guide value.
>
>
> Under $200!!! WoW!
>
> Mike
>

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bruce duncan (wetreverb) - 22 Jan 2006 19:18:18

Since I do some buying and selling, I rely on Vintage Guitar and their annual
Price Guide to determine when I'm getting a good buy, and when I'm making out
well on a re-sale. I consider VG to be one of the best resources available
today for this purpose.
The first thing I have to say, is directed to "Bronco". Dude, stick to your
guns! With new "circuit board" Twins going for $1,200, your pricing seems
realistic to me. Also, unlunf is citing market conditions in Seattle, which can
hardly be compared to the Bay Area, or elsewhere in California for that matter.
As far as the validity of the Vintage Guitar Price Guide, anyone who reads
their Introduction, is given the basis on which they state the values. The
values are based on ACTUAL REPORTED SALES, received from 26 different
retailers, representing the U.S. market at large. These are dealers from the
East Coast, the South and Southwest, the Mid-West, and the West Coast, just
about the most optimal diversity of market information one could ask for.
In fact, for certain guitars and amps, I've found that VG's Price Guide is
sometimes a bit on the conservative side, at least as far as reflecting market
conditions in L.A.!
I'm moved to make this posting, because it mirrors something similar that
happened to me just a couple of months ago. I had a collectible guitar listed
on e-bay, and I got an email from an e-bay member telling me I'd be lucky to get
50% of my starting bid price, based on HIS reading of current market value. I
actually sold the guitar at my "Buy It Now" price, which was 50% HIGHER than the
starting bid amount, and this happened within 24 hours of his negative e-mail!
Also, from a Mid-Western buyer, I collected over $1,600.00 on e-bay for a very
nice 1965 Fender PRINCETON Reverb amp, last month. In light of that DIRECT
experience, I'd say Bronco's asking price on the '65 Twin is quite reasonable!
Both of these were Internet transactions, so the comment that the Internet is
the "great equalizer" is definitely NOT something a seller needs to feel
intimidated by!
I believe Plato said it originally, but the quote is attributed to Samuel
Butler, (1612-1680) "The worth of a thing is what it will bring."
Peace,
Bruce D
unlunf <> wrote:
I probably should do this privately, but what if
someone really is "silly" enough to fall for it......
Bronco,
At the most expensive store in the Seattle area (Trading Musician),
you can pickup one of two or three of these things for no more than
$1299. Without the JBL's, a portrait of Grover Cleveland would snag
the amp for you. And that's after adding their markup for being the
trendiest fad store in the area.
Sorry, but the internet is the great equalizer of pricing. It doesn't
matter what any "guide" says, the only thing that matters is what the
guy down the street is getting for the same item. Just thought you
should know what you're up against. No hard feelings, right? <>
unlunf
--- In , "Bronco" <watches@a...> wrote:
>
> I just finished restoration of this completely original BF Twin.
>
>
>
> The reverb is wet and lucious and the vibrato is downright drippy.
> I would really like to see this go to another surf guitarist and
> priced it $200 under the Vintage Guitar Price guide value.
>
> Drop me an email if you want to come by Los Gatos and play it.
> watchesATacm.org
>
> ... Bronco
>
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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 22 Jan 2006 19:34:40

I've been relying on the Ebay competed items when I price vintage gear. That way
you can see the most recent selling price. For example, the last '65 Twin with
JBLs sold for 1525.00. One thing is fer sure, the price guides are gonna have to
be re-written after that '55 Strat sold for 76,300 last week!
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: bruce duncan
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Vintage Fender 1967 Blackface Twin Reverb on
Craigslist
Since I do some buying and selling, I rely on Vintage Guitar and their annual
Price Guide to determine when I'm getting a good buy, and when I'm making out
well on a re-sale. I consider VG to be one of the best resources available
today for this purpose.
The first thing I have to say, is directed to "Bronco". Dude, stick to your
guns! With new "circuit board" Twins going for $1,200, your pricing seems
realistic to me. Also, unlunf is citing market conditions in Seattle, which can
hardly be compared to the Bay Area, or elsewhere in California for that matter.
As far as the validity of the Vintage Guitar Price Guide, anyone who reads
their Introduction, is given the basis on which they state the values. The
values are based on ACTUAL REPORTED SALES, received from 26 different
retailers, representing the U.S. market at large. These are dealers from the
East Coast, the South and Southwest, the Mid-West, and the West Coast, just
about the most optimal diversity of market information one could ask for.
In fact, for certain guitars and amps, I've found that VG's Price Guide is
sometimes a bit on the conservative side, at least as far as reflecting market
conditions in L.A.!
I'm moved to make this posting, because it mirrors something similar that
happened to me just a couple of months ago. I had a collectible guitar listed
on e-bay, and I got an email from an e-bay member telling me I'd be lucky to get
50% of my starting bid price, based on HIS reading of current market value. I
actually sold the guitar at my "Buy It Now" price, which was 50% HIGHER than the
starting bid amount, and this happened within 24 hours of his negative e-mail!
Also, from a Mid-Western buyer, I collected over $1,600.00 on e-bay for a
very nice 1965 Fender PRINCETON Reverb amp, last month. In light of that DIRECT
experience, I'd say Bronco's asking price on the '65 Twin is quite reasonable!
Both of these were Internet transactions, so the comment that the Internet
is the "great equalizer" is definitely NOT something a seller needs to feel
intimidated by!
I believe Plato said it originally, but the quote is attributed to Samuel
Butler, (1612-1680) "The worth of a thing is what it will bring."
Peace,
Bruce D
unlunf <> wrote:
I probably should do this privately, but what if
someone really is "silly" enough to fall for it......
Bronco,
At the most expensive store in the Seattle area (Trading Musician),
you can pickup one of two or three of these things for no more than
$1299. Without the JBL's, a portrait of Grover Cleveland would snag
the amp for you. And that's after adding their markup for being the
trendiest fad store in the area.
Sorry, but the internet is the great equalizer of pricing. It doesn't
matter what any "guide" says, the only thing that matters is what the
guy down the street is getting for the same item. Just thought you
should know what you're up against. No hard feelings, right? <>
unlunf
--- In , "Bronco" <watches@a...> wrote:
>
> I just finished restoration of this completely original BF Twin.
>
>
>
> The reverb is wet and lucious and the vibrato is downright drippy.
> I would really like to see this go to another surf guitarist and
> priced it $200 under the Vintage Guitar Price guide value.
>
> Drop me an email if you want to come by Los Gatos and play it.
> watchesATacm.org
>
> ... Bronco
>
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scanman805 - 22 Jan 2006 22:13:50

'55 Strat for 76,300? Geez Louise! Who sold it? Eric Clapton's grandaddY?
B-B-O
---- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> I've been relying on the Ebay competed items when I price vintage gear. That
way you can see the most recent selling price. For example, the last '65 Twin
with JBLs sold for 1525.00. One thing is fer sure, the price guides are gonna
have to be re-written after that '55 Strat sold for 76,300 last week!
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bruce duncan
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Vintage Fender 1967 Blackface Twin Reverb
on Craigslist
>
>
> Since I do some buying and selling, I rely on Vintage Guitar and their
annual Price Guide to determine when I'm getting a good buy, and when I'm making
out well on a re-sale. I consider VG to be one of the best resources available
today for this purpose.
>
> The first thing I have to say, is directed to "Bronco". Dude, stick to
your guns! With new "circuit board" Twins going for $1,200, your pricing seems
realistic to me. Also, unlunf is citing market conditions in Seattle, which can
hardly be compared to the Bay Area, or elsewhere in California for that matter.
>
> As far as the validity of the Vintage Guitar Price Guide, anyone who reads
their Introduction, is given the basis on which they state the values. The
values are based on ACTUAL REPORTED SALES, received from 26 different
retailers, representing the U.S. market at large. These are dealers from the
East Coast, the South and Southwest, the Mid-West, and the West Coast, just
about the most optimal diversity of market information one could ask for.
>
> In fact, for certain guitars and amps, I've found that VG's Price Guide is
sometimes a bit on the conservative side, at least as far as reflecting market
conditions in L.A.!
>
> I'm moved to make this posting, because it mirrors something similar that
happened to me just a couple of months ago. I had a collectible guitar listed
on e-bay, and I got an email from an e-bay member telling me I'd be lucky to get
50% of my starting bid price, based on HIS reading of current market value. I
actually sold the guitar at my "Buy It Now" price, which was 50% HIGHER than the
starting bid amount, and this happened within 24 hours of his negative e-mail!
>
> Also, from a Mid-Western buyer, I collected over $1,600.00 on e-bay for a
very nice 1965 Fender PRINCETON Reverb amp, last month. In light of that DIRECT
experience, I'd say Bronco's asking price on the '65 Twin is quite reasonable!
>
> Both of these were Internet transactions, so the comment that the Internet
is the "great equalizer" is definitely NOT something a seller needs to feel
intimidated by!
>
> I believe Plato said it originally, but the quote is attributed to Samuel
Butler, (1612-1680) "The worth of a thing is what it will bring."
>
> Peace,
>
> Bruce D
>
>
>
>
>
> unlunf <> wrote:
> I probably should do this privately, but what if
> someone really is "silly" enough to fall for it......
>
> Bronco,
>
> At the most expensive store in the Seattle area (Trading Musician),
> you can pickup one of two or three of these things for no more than
> $1299. Without the JBL's, a portrait of Grover Cleveland would snag
> the amp for you. And that's after adding their markup for being the
> trendiest fad store in the area.
>
> Sorry, but the internet is the great equalizer of pricing. It doesn't
> matter what any "guide" says, the only thing that matters is what the
> guy down the street is getting for the same item. Just thought you
> should know what you're up against. No hard feelings, right? <>
>
>
> unlunf
>
>
> --- In , "Bronco" <watches@a...> wrote:
> >
> > I just finished restoration of this completely original BF Twin.
> >
> >
> >
> > The reverb is wet and lucious and the vibrato is downright drippy.
> > I would really like to see this go to another surf guitarist and
> > priced it $200 under the Vintage Guitar Price guide value.
> >
> > Drop me an email if you want to come by Los Gatos and play it.
> > watchesATacm.org
> >
> > ... Bronco
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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mono_tones_1 - 23 Jan 2006 03:16:17

that was a great auction - I think the entire FDP was watching it,
with most of the 'questions to seller" being congratulations of
people who could not afford to bid ;-)
it was absolutly mint, came with vintage amp ('55 too probably) and
if I remeber correctly, the woman selling it, upon asked about how
original it was, claimed she had only changed one string .... in 50
years!
someone else also asked about the shipping cost (within US no less) -
yup, want to buy a +70000 guitar and worry about shipping costs - too
funny.
WR
--- In , scanman@a... wrote:
>
> '55 Strat for 76,300? Geez Louise! Who sold it? Eric Clapton's
grandaddY?
> B-B-O
>
>
> ---- Marty Tippens <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > I've been relying on the Ebay competed items when I price vintage
gear. That way you can see the most recent selling price. For
example, the last '65 Twin with JBLs sold for 1525.00. One thing is
fer sure, the price guides are gonna have to be re-written after
that '55 Strat sold for 76,300 last week!
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bruce duncan
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Vintage Fender 1967 Blackface
Twin Reverb on Craigslist
> >
> >
> > Since I do some buying and selling, I rely on Vintage Guitar
and their annual Price Guide to determine when I'm getting a good
buy, and when I'm making out well on a re-sale. I consider VG to be
one of the best resources available today for this purpose.
> >
> > The first thing I have to say, is directed to "Bronco".
Dude, stick to your guns! With new "circuit board" Twins going for
$1,200, your pricing seems realistic to me. Also, unlunf is citing
market conditions in Seattle, which can hardly be compared to the Bay
Area, or elsewhere in California for that matter.
> >
> > As far as the validity of the Vintage Guitar Price Guide,
anyone who reads their Introduction, is given the basis on which they
state the values. The values are based on ACTUAL REPORTED SALES,
received from 26 different retailers, representing the U.S. market at
large. These are dealers from the East Coast, the South and
Southwest, the Mid-West, and the West Coast, just about the most
optimal diversity of market information one could ask for.
> >
> > In fact, for certain guitars and amps, I've found that VG's
Price Guide is sometimes a bit on the conservative side, at least as
far as reflecting market conditions in L.A.!
> >
> > I'm moved to make this posting, because it mirrors something
similar that happened to me just a couple of months ago. I had a
collectible guitar listed on e-bay, and I got an email from an e-bay
member telling me I'd be lucky to get 50% of my starting bid price,
based on HIS reading of current market value. I actually sold the
guitar at my "Buy It Now" price, which was 50% HIGHER than the
starting bid amount, and this happened within 24 hours of his
negative e-mail!
> >
> > Also, from a Mid-Western buyer, I collected over $1,600.00 on
e-bay for a very nice 1965 Fender PRINCETON Reverb amp, last month.
In light of that DIRECT experience, I'd say Bronco's asking price on
the '65 Twin is quite reasonable!
> >
> > Both of these were Internet transactions, so the comment that
the Internet is the "great equalizer" is definitely NOT something a
seller needs to feel intimidated by!
> >
> > I believe Plato said it originally, but the quote is
attributed to Samuel Butler, (1612-1680) "The worth of a thing is
what it will bring."
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Bruce D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > unlunf <unlunf@y...> wrote:
> > I probably should do this privately, but what if
> > someone really is "silly" enough to fall for it......
> >
> > Bronco,
> >
> > At the most expensive store in the Seattle area (Trading
Musician),
> > you can pickup one of two or three of these things for no more
than
> > $1299. Without the JBL's, a portrait of Grover Cleveland would
snag
> > the amp for you. And that's after adding their markup for
being the
> > trendiest fad store in the area.
> >
> > Sorry, but the internet is the great equalizer of pricing. It
doesn't
> > matter what any "guide" says, the only thing that matters is
what the
> > guy down the street is getting for the same item. Just thought
you
> > should know what you're up against. No hard feelings, right? <>
> >
> >
> > unlunf
> >
> >
> > --- In , "Bronco" <watches@a...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > I just finished restoration of this completely original BF
Twin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The reverb is wet and lucious and the vibrato is downright
drippy.
> > > I would really like to see this go to another surf guitarist
and
> > > priced it $200 under the Vintage Guitar Price guide value.
> > >
> > > Drop me an email if you want to come by Los Gatos and play it.
> > > watchesATacm.org
> > >
> > > ... Bronco
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Bronco (ahospodor) - 23 Jan 2006 10:19:33

Thanks for all of the interest.
Bruce D. is correct, as I have already received offers in excess of
the eBay or Seattle music stores. However, every BF Twin Reverb I
encounter in a music store has (a) some modification(s) done, (b)none
have their original speakers and (c) very few have their original
transformers.
Sure, one could buy a $1299 amp, a pair of correct speakers from Norm
on gbase.com ($400), a quad of RCA black plates ($600), and perhaps
some Sprague Atom filter and bypass caps ($50). This pretty much puts
you at the top end of the VG Price Guide.
I repaired every aspect of this amp myself, and have the engineering
credentials to back it up. Of course, I recognize that one can always
buy a shredded amp running sino/ruski/yugo tubes into celestion
speakers from a addict for a lot less. In the long run, its what you
spend to get the sound you want.
Three more local folks will be test driving this amp, so it looks to
be sold.
best,
... Bronco
aka Dad of the Shuttleducks

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unlunf - 23 Jan 2006 14:44:37

Bronco,
Well, the verdict is in, and it seems to be that I'm wrong.
Fine, I can live with that. But you, and others, will also
note that I'm also living with my money still in my pocket.
> In the long run, its what you spend to get the sound you want.
Hey, you said it, not me. <g>
<diatribe>
A thing's value is first subject to the definition of that
very word, value. For me, value is not "how much are others
willing to pay for whatever it is that I'm looking at?", it's
"how well will this suit my purposes?". With that in mind, I
want/desire/need to have a sound that I can not only live with,
but that will be attractive to my listening audience. Except
for the rare audience member who is also a player, absolutely
none of them will give a flying damn about whether my amp,
guitar, or whatever, is of some particular make, model, year,
all original, is worth multi-kilobucks, or just a piece of crap.
All they want to know is that the music is enjoyable to them,
and that's the bottom line.
Now, in order to satisfy my clients/customers/audience, all
I need to do is present the right sound. I'll know I've done
that when they keep coming back to see me, which might also
be translated as "the promoter keeps asking me to come back".
If I can do that without breaking the bank by having the most
expensive gear, am I wrong to call greed for what it is?
And that is the proper name for someone who wants what others
can't have merely by virtue of how much money is in one's pocket
at a given moment.
As a seller, I applaud the advancement of value, and the gain
of profit; it's the capitalist economy at it's finest. But as
a potential buyer, I abhor the greed of those who jack up the
selling price simply to ensure that real players will never
be able to afford an instrument of high quality, nor to be
able to play such an instrument in front of an audience. To
me, that's not why the instrument maker built the thing in
the first place. He or she built it to be played, not to be
set in a case somewhere far away from any stage and bragged
about. I say, a pox upon those people who deprive working
musicians of the finer instruments.
That's what galls me the most about the VG price guide. They
don't report the average price an item sold for across the
counrtry in the last year or so, they report the top price
fetched by a given item, no matter where it was. And if you
believe otherwise, then I'll remind you of that old chestnut,
"follow the money". Where do you think VG makes its money,
eh? That's right, the advertisers. It goes like this:
If VG reports a high price, then its advertisers can justify
telling Joe Customer, "Hey, look, its right here in the Guide.
I need to sell this for X amount of dollars, otherwise I'd be
cheating myself! And you don't want to see me close my doors
because I didn't make enought profit, do you?" And then the
sellers, who are also advertisers, report that inflated price
back to VG, and the circle jerk starts all over again.
Expressed another way, VG has no vested interest in looking
out for Joe Customer's wallet. Bah!!
But in all this, according to the majority opinion here, I'm
still wrong. But hey, at least my cat still likes me! <lol>
</diatribe>
unlunf
--- In , "Bronco" <watches@a...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the interest.
>
> Bruce D. is correct, as I have already received offers in excess
> of the eBay or Seattle music stores. However, every BF Twin
> Reverb I encounter in a music store has (a) some modification(s)
> done, (b) none have their original speakers and (c) very few have
> their original transformers.
>
> Sure, one could buy a $1299 amp, a pair of correct speakers from
> Norm on gbase.com ($400), a quad of RCA black plates ($600), and
> perhaps some Sprague Atom filter and bypass caps ($50). This
> pretty much puts you at the top end of the VG Price Guide.
>
> I repaired every aspect of this amp myself, and have the
> engineering credentials to back it up. Of course, I recognize
> that one can always buy a shredded amp running sino/ruski/yugo
> tubes into celestion speakers from a addict for a lot less.
> In the long run, its what you spend to get the sound you want.
>
> Three more local folks will be test driving this amp, so it looks
> to be sold.
>
> best,
>
> ... Bronco
> aka Dad of the Shuttleducks
>

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