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While we are talking about effects, or fuzzes anyway,
I have a question about delays. My second Danelectro
delay went down right before a show last Friday, and I
will not be buying another, despite the fact that is
is a great sounding unit. I can't stand the fact that
the jacks are wired to the circuit board instead of
the unit shell. This has been the point of failure for
both units now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a
heavy duty shell, but why did they bother?
The feature I am really looking for is the high end
roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so I am
wondering what other people are using. No I don't want
to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile. Ivan,
weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
Thanks,
ferenc
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--- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
<ferencnd@y...> wrote:
>
> The feature I am really looking for is the high end
> roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so I am
> wondering what other people are using.
Ferenc, I think most echo/delay pedal units have this feature by
now. It's easy to find one with it, and they're cheap.
> No I don't want
> to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile. Ivan,
> weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
No, I've never owned one of those, though I was always intrigued by
them as they give you the multiple playback head capability, which
should give the staggered echos effect of those early-sixties Euro
tape echo units. But the Headrush went out of production several
years ago, and the prices skyrocketed cause all the 'loopers' wanted
one. It's back in production now, but still kinda pricey...
I've been using Korg Dynamic Echo pedal exclusively (for surf,
anyway, not for the Shadows stuff) since early '98. I recorded the
New World Relampagos CD with it, as well as the new Madeira CD. It
gives you both hi and low-end rolloff, and you can control how
much. I truly love this pedal. I also have a Digitech Digidelay,
which has the "tape-echo" setting, and though it sounds OK, it
doesn't sound nearly as vintage as my Korg. The problem with the
Korg is that it's been out of production for a few years now.
I'm actually very interested in this new Line 6 Echo Park -
relatively cheap, gives you the staggered-head settings, the tape
echo sound, and I hear it sounds great. I'll have to check it out.
That would probably be my choice right now.
Guitar Player ran a 'shootout' type thing among a bunch of echo
pedals just about two issues ago - you may want to check that out.
I thought it was very informative.
Good luck!!
Ivan
Hey Ferenc,
I'm guessing you were using a Danecho. I've been using the Danelectro Reel Echo
without problems despite mucho use in the last couple of years. It has the high
end roll-off as well as a warble setting to simulate wow and flutter. I also
like the linear slide for delay settings.
-Marty
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From: Ferenc Dobronyi
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Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Delays
While we are talking about effects, or fuzzes anyway,
I have a question about delays. My second Danelectro
delay went down right before a show last Friday, and I
will not be buying another, despite the fact that is
is a great sounding unit. I can't stand the fact that
the jacks are wired to the circuit board instead of
the unit shell. This has been the point of failure for
both units now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a
heavy duty shell, but why did they bother?
The feature I am really looking for is the high end
roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so I am
wondering what other people are using. No I don't want
to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile. Ivan,
weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
Thanks,
ferenc
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I use a DigiTech PDS 8000 Echo Plus 8 second delay and a Zoom 508
delay. While the DigiTech is great for some things, I prefer the
Zoom because I can set the delay time in exact milliseconds (it has
an LED readout). The DigiTech has knobs with no readout, so you
can't dial in the exact same delay time every time.
I had two 508's, but one of them went wonky after about a year for
no apparent reason. The other one has been going strong since the
mid '90's.
Speaking of stomp boxes, I just bought a Line 6 Tap Tremelo, and it
eats 9 volt batteries like crazy. Does anyone know if I can use a
power adapter with a higher milliAmp and wattage rating than what
the unit calls for? What I mean is, the unit specs call for 40 mADC
Minimum, 60mADC Nominal, and 100mADC Maximum - and on the watts -
0.4 Watts Min., 0.6 Watts Nominal, and 1 Watt Maximum.
If I use a power supply that puts out 9 Volts, 300mADC and 9 Watts,
will that damage the unit, or does the unit only pull the amounts
that it needs?
Sorry for my ignorance ... :>}
Randy
--- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
<ferencnd@y...> wrote:
>
> While we are talking about effects, or fuzzes anyway,
> I have a question about delays. My second Danelectro
> delay went down right before a show last Friday, and I
> will not be buying another, despite the fact that is
> is a great sounding unit. I can't stand the fact that
> the jacks are wired to the circuit board instead of
> the unit shell. This has been the point of failure for
> both units now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a
> heavy duty shell, but why did they bother?
> The feature I am really looking for is the high end
> roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so I am
> wondering what other people are using. No I don't want
> to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile. Ivan,
> weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
> Thanks,
> ferenc
>
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Randall,
> If I use a power supply that puts out 9 volts, 300maDC
> and 9 watts, will that damage the unit, or does the
> unit only pull the amounts that it needs?
Your suggested power supply is good to go, provided that
the polarity of the output plug is correct. Be sure to
get that part right, even if it means squinting at the
tiny print. <g>
Yes, it only pulls what it needs, it is not "pushed" by
what's available. In general, all things electronic (or
electrical) take only what they need. There are excep-
tions, which is why we have fuses or circuit breakers <g>.
unlunf
--- In , "Randall R. Duke" <rrduke@s...> wrote:
>
> I use a DigiTech PDS 8000 Echo Plus 8 second delay and a Zoom 508
> delay. While the DigiTech is great for some things, I prefer the
> Zoom because I can set the delay time in exact milliseconds (it has
> an LED readout). The DigiTech has knobs with no readout, so you
> can't dial in the exact same delay time every time.
>
> I had two 508's, but one of them went wonky after about a year for
> no apparent reason. The other one has been going strong since the
> mid '90's.
>
> Speaking of stomp boxes, I just bought a Line 6 Tap Tremelo, and it
> eats 9 volt batteries like crazy. Does anyone know if I can use a
> power adapter with a higher milliAmp and wattage rating than what
> the unit calls for? What I mean is, the unit specs call for 40
> mADC Minimum, 60mADC Nominal, and 100mADC Maximum - and on the
> watts - 0.4 Watts Min., 0.6 Watts Nominal, and 1 Watt Maximum.
>
> If I use a power supply that puts out 9 Volts, 300mADC and 9 Watts,
> will that damage the unit, or does the unit only pull the amounts
> that it needs?
>
> Sorry for my ignorance ... :>}
>
> Randy
>
> --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
>
Ferenc,
> I can't stand the fact that the jacks are wired
> to the circuit board instead of the unit shell.
> This has been the point of failure for both units
> now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a heavy
> duty shell, but why did they bother?
I've got one word for you - cost.
Manufacturers long ago stopped using quality jacks
such as those made by Switchcraft. As far as I can
tell, Marshall was the first to use plastic 'import'
jacks that mounted directly on the circuit board.
(But I really could be wrong - that's just where I
first saw them, that's all.) Anyway, even though
these new jacks all failed miserably, they were so
much cheaper that they continued to be used, and are
still used today.
Consider: a plastic jack from Taiwan (or other Asian
country) might cost a builder 15 to 20 cents per unit,
in lots of 1,000. The cheapest Switchcraft jack you
can purchase right now, in lots of 1,000, is $1.29 - each!
But wait, it gets better: he not only saves money on the
raw parts, but he also saves even more due to not having
to pay someone to solder individual wires from a circuit
board to said jacks. Such a deal!
Now, put yourself in the position of a electronic gizmo
builder. Do you use the more expensive part and avoid
repairs (and sustain customer satisfaction), or do you
use the cheap stuff, fund most (but not all!) of those
pesky warranty claims that come in, and whistle all the
way to the bank? That's right, you got it the first time.
FWIW, about 40% of all my work over the last 8 years or
so has been jack related. It doesn't matter who made
the item, if it has plastic jacks, their gonna fail,
you can make book with Jimmy the Greek on that one. <g>
I often suggest replacing the bad part with an upgrade,
if there's space available to put in the panel-type
jacks. More than half my customers have made the switch,
you can guess why.
So it was a looooong word, sorry. <g>
unlunf
--- In , Ferenc Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...> wrote:
>
> While we are talking about effects, or fuzzes anyway,
> I have a question about delays. My second Danelectro
> delay went down right before a show last Friday, and I
> will not be buying another, despite the fact that is
> is a great sounding unit. I can't stand the fact that
> the jacks are wired to the circuit board instead of
> the unit shell. This has been the point of failure for
> both units now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a
> heavy duty shell, but why did they bother?
> The feature I am really looking for is the high end
> roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so I am
> wondering what other people are using. No I don't want
> to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile. Ivan,
> weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
> Thanks,
> ferenc
>
the still rather cost effective and way more quality-dedicated
alternative that most manufacterors use is a PCB-jack that still
screws to the box - the Dano's problem is not the pcb-jack, but the
fact that three tiny solder joints are ALL the connection the jacks
have to the pedal. the danecho's sound great, I have two, and among
them had to repair them three times - no room for decent jacks
inside - next time they crap out they'll hit the bin.
the GP shootout mentioned gave editors pick to both the line 6 and a
Rocktron short timer. (and a Moog) - the rocktron is said to more or
less do the same thing as thedano, for less money and with better
jacks.
WR
--- In , "unlunf" <unlunf@y...> wrote:
>
> Ferenc,
>
> > I can't stand the fact that the jacks are wired
> > to the circuit board instead of the unit shell.
> > This has been the point of failure for both units
> > now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a heavy
> > duty shell, but why did they bother?
>
> I've got one word for you - cost.
>
> Manufacturers long ago stopped using quality jacks
> such as those made by Switchcraft. As far as I can
> tell, Marshall was the first to use plastic 'import'
> jacks that mounted directly on the circuit board.
> (But I really could be wrong - that's just where I
> first saw them, that's all.) Anyway, even though
> these new jacks all failed miserably, they were so
> much cheaper that they continued to be used, and are
> still used today.
>
> Consider: a plastic jack from Taiwan (or other Asian
> country) might cost a builder 15 to 20 cents per unit,
> in lots of 1,000. The cheapest Switchcraft jack you
> can purchase right now, in lots of 1,000, is $1.29 - each!
> But wait, it gets better: he not only saves money on the
> raw parts, but he also saves even more due to not having
> to pay someone to solder individual wires from a circuit
> board to said jacks. Such a deal!
>
> Now, put yourself in the position of a electronic gizmo
> builder. Do you use the more expensive part and avoid
> repairs (and sustain customer satisfaction), or do you
> use the cheap stuff, fund most (but not all!) of those
> pesky warranty claims that come in, and whistle all the
> way to the bank? That's right, you got it the first time.
>
> FWIW, about 40% of all my work over the last 8 years or
> so has been jack related. It doesn't matter who made
> the item, if it has plastic jacks, their gonna fail,
> you can make book with Jimmy the Greek on that one. <g>
> I often suggest replacing the bad part with an upgrade,
> if there's space available to put in the panel-type
> jacks. More than half my customers have made the switch,
> you can guess why.
>
> So it was a looooong word, sorry. <g>
>
>
> unlunf
>
>
> --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
<ferencnd@y...> wrote:
> >
> > While we are talking about effects, or fuzzes anyway,
> > I have a question about delays. My second Danelectro
> > delay went down right before a show last Friday, and I
> > will not be buying another, despite the fact that is
> > is a great sounding unit. I can't stand the fact that
> > the jacks are wired to the circuit board instead of
> > the unit shell. This has been the point of failure for
> > both units now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a
> > heavy duty shell, but why did they bother?
> > The feature I am really looking for is the high end
> > roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so I am
> > wondering what other people are using. No I don't want
> > to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile. Ivan,
> > weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
> > Thanks,
> > ferenc
> >
>
Thank you!! After reading your reply, I tried it out, and it works
great!
Randy
--- In , "unlunf" <unlunf@y...> wrote:
>
> Randall,
>
> > If I use a power supply that puts out 9 volts, 300maDC
> > and 9 watts, will that damage the unit, or does the
> > unit only pull the amounts that it needs?
>
> Your suggested power supply is good to go, provided that
> the polarity of the output plug is correct. Be sure to
> get that part right, even if it means squinting at the
> tiny print. <g>
>
> Yes, it only pulls what it needs, it is not "pushed" by
> what's available. In general, all things electronic (or
> electrical) take only what they need. There are excep-
> tions, which is why we have fuses or circuit breakers <g>.
>
>
> unlunf
>
Hi,
So far I have also used the Dan-echo unit, so far so good. I too like
it, but as mentioned before, the jacks are crap. I haven't had any
problems with them so far, but I can feel them comming one day. However,
should it be possible to replace the jack. I know then they wouldn't fit
the box anymore, but perhaps the whole unit can be fitted in another
box? (instead of binning the whole item)
As far as really good delays go, I found the "Atlantis" unit very good.
Originally build as the "ultimate Shadow's tape delay unit" , it can
really do more then just that. (as the Shadows use of Echo/Delay hasn't
got more then enough possibilities)
But it's an expensive unit and no longer in production....
And my first test run with the Boss FZ-3 Fuzz was ok. The sound is
aceptable for "surf-insto usage" It even works with Reverb (only a small
amounth) but it's intersting. Although the Fuzz itself seams to work
better with smaller speakers then the 15" of my Showman. Schaller
vintage unit hasn't arrived yet. So I have to wait to compare them.
But if I would not of traded some lay around tele part for the Fuzz,
then I would not of bought it. Although it has some vintage sound vibe
to it, if the amount of fuzz is kept below 4 'o clock.
It did sound very nice with my Thinline Tele though and with the Jaguar.
The JM with Boss Fuzz was less intersting to my ears
Adios,
Jerry S.
www.thehydrosonics.be
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Wannes,
I wasn't talking about just the jacks that don't screw to the
case, I was talking about all plastic jacks. They all fail,
given enough time. The failure point is usually the contact
area between the moving 'hot' lug and the immobile lug.
However, you're correct - those jacks that rely solely on the
printed circuit board for physical support are just asking to
be pounded into mush. I've kept a few bad parts (they usually
go back to the customer, but not every customer wants them)....
maybe I should take some pix to show some of the more damaged ones.
unlunf
BTW, FWIW, Rocktron is one of the biggest offenders, according
to my casebook. Just thought I should mention that, in case
someone's considering buying one of them. Otherwise, they make
pretty good stuff for the money.
unlunf
--- In , "mono_tones_1" <rockverb@h...> wrote:
>
> the still rather cost effective and way more quality-dedicated
> alternative that most manufacterors use is a PCB-jack that still
> screws to the box - the Dano's problem is not the pcb-jack, but
> the fact that three tiny solder joints are ALL the connection the
> jacks have to the pedal. the danecho's sound great, I have two,
> and among them had to repair them three times - no room for decent
> jacks inside - next time they crap out they'll hit the bin.
>
> the GP shootout mentioned gave editors pick to both the line 6 and
> a Rocktron short timer. (and a Moog) - the rocktron is said to more
> or less do the same thing as thedano, for less money and with
> better jacks.
>
> WR
>
Wannes and all,
I have been using the Line 6 Echo Park as my second
delay ( I use two, what the Hell!) so I wanted to get
a different unit (to replace the poorly designed
DanEcho) for a different tone. But, the Line 6 sounds
so absurly great I decided to get a second one, then
changed my mind and bought the Line 6 DL4 which has 3
programmable presets, and is the unit that the
EchoPark is based on. I want to highly recommend the
Echo Park for anyone looking into a delay pedal, the
tone is unbelievable, its built like a tank and it has
true bypass switching.
Thanks for everyone's feedbeack, even the economics
lesson <g>.
Ferenc
--- mono_tones_1 <> wrote:
> the still rather cost effective and way more
> quality-dedicated
> alternative that most manufacterors use is a
> PCB-jack that still
> screws to the box - the Dano's problem is not the
> pcb-jack, but the
> fact that three tiny solder joints are ALL the
> connection the jacks
> have to the pedal. the danecho's sound great, I have
> two, and among
> them had to repair them three times - no room for
> decent jacks
> inside - next time they crap out they'll hit the
> bin.
>
> the GP shootout mentioned gave editors pick to both
> the line 6 and a
> Rocktron short timer. (and a Moog) - the rocktron is
> said to more or
> less do the same thing as thedano, for less money
> and with better
> jacks.
>
> WR
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "unlunf"
> <unlunf@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Ferenc,
> >
> > > I can't stand the fact that the jacks are wired
> > > to the circuit board instead of the unit shell.
> > > This has been the point of failure for both
> units
> > > now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a heavy
> > > duty shell, but why did they bother?
> >
> > I've got one word for you - cost.
> >
> > Manufacturers long ago stopped using quality jacks
> > such as those made by Switchcraft. As far as I
> can
> > tell, Marshall was the first to use plastic
> 'import'
> > jacks that mounted directly on the circuit board.
> > (But I really could be wrong - that's just where I
> > first saw them, that's all.) Anyway, even though
> > these new jacks all failed miserably, they were so
> > much cheaper that they continued to be used, and
> are
> > still used today.
> >
> > Consider: a plastic jack from Taiwan (or other
> Asian
> > country) might cost a builder 15 to 20 cents per
> unit,
> > in lots of 1,000. The cheapest Switchcraft jack
> you
> > can purchase right now, in lots of 1,000, is $1.29
> - each!
> > But wait, it gets better: he not only saves money
> on the
> > raw parts, but he also saves even more due to not
> having
> > to pay someone to solder individual wires from a
> circuit
> > board to said jacks. Such a deal!
> >
> > Now, put yourself in the position of a electronic
> gizmo
> > builder. Do you use the more expensive part and
> avoid
> > repairs (and sustain customer satisfaction), or do
> you
> > use the cheap stuff, fund most (but not all!) of
> those
> > pesky warranty claims that come in, and whistle
> all the
> > way to the bank? That's right, you got it the
> first time.
> >
> > FWIW, about 40% of all my work over the last 8
> years or
> > so has been jack related. It doesn't matter who
> made
> > the item, if it has plastic jacks, their gonna
> fail,
> > you can make book with Jimmy the Greek on that
> one. <g>
> > I often suggest replacing the bad part with an
> upgrade,
> > if there's space available to put in the
> panel-type
> > jacks. More than half my customers have made the
> switch,
> > you can guess why.
> >
> > So it was a looooong word, sorry. <g>
> >
> >
> > unlunf
> >
> >
> > --- In , Ferenc
> Dobronyi
> <ferencnd@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > While we are talking about effects, or fuzzes
> anyway,
> > > I have a question about delays. My second
> Danelectro
> > > delay went down right before a show last Friday,
> and I
> > > will not be buying another, despite the fact
> that is
> > > is a great sounding unit. I can't stand the fact
> that
> > > the jacks are wired to the circuit board instead
> of
> > > the unit shell. This has been the point of
> failure for
> > > both units now. Stupid engineering-- the unit
> has a
> > > heavy duty shell, but why did they bother?
> > > The feature I am really looking for is the high
> end
> > > roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so
> I am
> > > wondering what other people are using. No I
> don't want
> > > to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile.
> Ivan,
> > > weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
> > > Thanks,
> > > ferenc
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
<ferencnd@y...> wrote:
>
> Wannes and all,
> I have been using the Line 6 Echo Park as my second
> delay ( I use two, what the Hell!) so I wanted to get
> a different unit (to replace the poorly designed
> DanEcho) for a different tone. But, the Line 6 sounds
> so absurly great I decided to get a second one, then
> changed my mind and bought the Line 6 DL4 which has 3
> programmable presets, and is the unit that the
> EchoPark is based on. I want to highly recommend the
> Echo Park for anyone looking into a delay pedal, the
> tone is unbelievable, its built like a tank and it has
> true bypass switching.
> Thanks for everyone's feedbeack, even the economics
> lesson <g>.
> Ferenc
>
> --- mono_tones_1 <rockverb@h...> wrote:
>
> > the still rather cost effective and way more
> > quality-dedicated
> > alternative that most manufacterors use is a
> > PCB-jack that still
> > screws to the box - the Dano's problem is not the
> > pcb-jack, but the
> > fact that three tiny solder joints are ALL the
> > connection the jacks
> > have to the pedal. the danecho's sound great, I have
> > two, and among
> > them had to repair them three times - no room for
> > decent jacks
> > inside - next time they crap out they'll hit the
> > bin.
> >
> > the GP shootout mentioned gave editors pick to both
> > the line 6 and a
> > Rocktron short timer. (and a Moog) - the rocktron is
> > said to more or
> > less do the same thing as thedano, for less money
> > and with better
> > jacks.
> >
> > WR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "unlunf"
> > <unlunf@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ferenc,
> > >
> > > > I can't stand the fact that the jacks are wired
> > > > to the circuit board instead of the unit shell.
> > > > This has been the point of failure for both
> > units
> > > > now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a heavy
> > > > duty shell, but why did they bother?
> > >
> > > I've got one word for you - cost.
> > >
> > > Manufacturers long ago stopped using quality jacks
> > > such as those made by Switchcraft. As far as I
> > can
> > > tell, Marshall was the first to use plastic
> > 'import'
> > > jacks that mounted directly on the circuit board.
> > > (But I really could be wrong - that's just where I
> > > first saw them, that's all.) Anyway, even though
> > > these new jacks all failed miserably, they were so
> > > much cheaper that they continued to be used, and
> > are
> > > still used today.
> > >
> > > Consider: a plastic jack from Taiwan (or other
> > Asian
> > > country) might cost a builder 15 to 20 cents per
> > unit,
> > > in lots of 1,000. The cheapest Switchcraft jack
> > you
> > > can purchase right now, in lots of 1,000, is $1.29
> > - each!
> > > But wait, it gets better: he not only saves money
> > on the
> > > raw parts, but he also saves even more due to not
> > having
> > > to pay someone to solder individual wires from a
> > circuit
> > > board to said jacks. Such a deal!
> > >
> > > Now, put yourself in the position of a electronic
> > gizmo
> > > builder. Do you use the more expensive part and
> > avoid
> > > repairs (and sustain customer satisfaction), or do
> > you
> > > use the cheap stuff, fund most (but not all!) of
> > those
> > > pesky warranty claims that come in, and whistle
> > all the
> > > way to the bank? That's right, you got it the
> > first time.
> > >
> > > FWIW, about 40% of all my work over the last 8
> > years or
> > > so has been jack related. It doesn't matter who
> > made
> > > the item, if it has plastic jacks, their gonna
> > fail,
> > > you can make book with Jimmy the Greek on that
> > one. <g>
> > > I often suggest replacing the bad part with an
> > upgrade,
> > > if there's space available to put in the
> > panel-type
> > > jacks. More than half my customers have made the
> > switch,
> > > you can guess why.
> > >
> > > So it was a looooong word, sorry. <g>
> > >
> > >
> > > unlunf
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Ferenc
> > Dobronyi
> > <ferencnd@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > While we are talking about effects, or fuzzes
> > anyway,
> > > > I have a question about delays. My second
> > Danelectro
> > > > delay went down right before a show last Friday,
> > and I
> > > > will not be buying another, despite the fact
> > that is
> > > > is a great sounding unit. I can't stand the fact
> > that
> > > > the jacks are wired to the circuit board instead
> > of
> > > > the unit shell. This has been the point of
> > failure for
> > > > both units now. Stupid engineering-- the unit
> > has a
> > > > heavy duty shell, but why did they bother?
> > > > The feature I am really looking for is the high
> > end
> > > > roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so
> > I am
> > > > wondering what other people are using. No I
> > don't want
> > > > to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile.
> > Ivan,
> > > > weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > ferenc
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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yup, I know the fulltone - my entire rig cost less then one of those -
well, almost anyway... seems a bit over the top for someone who
doesn't actually really USE delay ;-)
WR
--- In , "Tony" <outerwave@s...> wrote:
>
> JR, one of our guitar players uses a modern tube tape delay named
> FullTone. Check out the specs at
>
> --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
> <ferencnd@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Wannes and all,
> > I have been using the Line 6 Echo Park as my second
> > delay ( I use two, what the Hell!) so I wanted to get
> > a different unit (to replace the poorly designed
> > DanEcho) for a different tone. But, the Line 6 sounds
> > so absurly great I decided to get a second one, then
> > changed my mind and bought the Line 6 DL4 which has 3
> > programmable presets, and is the unit that the
> > EchoPark is based on. I want to highly recommend the
> > Echo Park for anyone looking into a delay pedal, the
> > tone is unbelievable, its built like a tank and it has
> > true bypass switching.
> > Thanks for everyone's feedbeack, even the economics
> > lesson <g>.
> > Ferenc
> >
> > --- mono_tones_1 <rockverb@h...> wrote:
> >
> > > the still rather cost effective and way more
> > > quality-dedicated
> > > alternative that most manufacterors use is a
> > > PCB-jack that still
> > > screws to the box - the Dano's problem is not the
> > > pcb-jack, but the
> > > fact that three tiny solder joints are ALL the
> > > connection the jacks
> > > have to the pedal. the danecho's sound great, I have
> > > two, and among
> > > them had to repair them three times - no room for
> > > decent jacks
> > > inside - next time they crap out they'll hit the
> > > bin.
> > >
> > > the GP shootout mentioned gave editors pick to both
> > > the line 6 and a
> > > Rocktron short timer. (and a Moog) - the rocktron is
> > > said to more or
> > > less do the same thing as thedano, for less money
> > > and with better
> > > jacks.
> > >
> > > WR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "unlunf"
> > > <unlunf@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ferenc,
> > > >
> > > > > I can't stand the fact that the jacks are wired
> > > > > to the circuit board instead of the unit shell.
> > > > > This has been the point of failure for both
> > > units
> > > > > now. Stupid engineering-- the unit has a heavy
> > > > > duty shell, but why did they bother?
> > > >
> > > > I've got one word for you - cost.
> > > >
> > > > Manufacturers long ago stopped using quality jacks
> > > > such as those made by Switchcraft. As far as I
> > > can
> > > > tell, Marshall was the first to use plastic
> > > 'import'
> > > > jacks that mounted directly on the circuit board.
> > > > (But I really could be wrong - that's just where I
> > > > first saw them, that's all.) Anyway, even though
> > > > these new jacks all failed miserably, they were so
> > > > much cheaper that they continued to be used, and
> > > are
> > > > still used today.
> > > >
> > > > Consider: a plastic jack from Taiwan (or other
> > > Asian
> > > > country) might cost a builder 15 to 20 cents per
> > > unit,
> > > > in lots of 1,000. The cheapest Switchcraft jack
> > > you
> > > > can purchase right now, in lots of 1,000, is $1.29
> > > - each!
> > > > But wait, it gets better: he not only saves money
> > > on the
> > > > raw parts, but he also saves even more due to not
> > > having
> > > > to pay someone to solder individual wires from a
> > > circuit
> > > > board to said jacks. Such a deal!
> > > >
> > > > Now, put yourself in the position of a electronic
> > > gizmo
> > > > builder. Do you use the more expensive part and
> > > avoid
> > > > repairs (and sustain customer satisfaction), or do
> > > you
> > > > use the cheap stuff, fund most (but not all!) of
> > > those
> > > > pesky warranty claims that come in, and whistle
> > > all the
> > > > way to the bank? That's right, you got it the
> > > first time.
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, about 40% of all my work over the last 8
> > > years or
> > > > so has been jack related. It doesn't matter who
> > > made
> > > > the item, if it has plastic jacks, their gonna
> > > fail,
> > > > you can make book with Jimmy the Greek on that
> > > one. <g>
> > > > I often suggest replacing the bad part with an
> > > upgrade,
> > > > if there's space available to put in the
> > > panel-type
> > > > jacks. More than half my customers have made the
> > > switch,
> > > > you can guess why.
> > > >
> > > > So it was a looooong word, sorry. <g>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > unlunf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Ferenc
> > > Dobronyi
> > > <ferencnd@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > While we are talking about effects, or fuzzes
> > > anyway,
> > > > > I have a question about delays. My second
> > > Danelectro
> > > > > delay went down right before a show last Friday,
> > > and I
> > > > > will not be buying another, despite the fact
> > > that is
> > > > > is a great sounding unit. I can't stand the fact
> > > that
> > > > > the jacks are wired to the circuit board instead
> > > of
> > > > > the unit shell. This has been the point of
> > > failure for
> > > > > both units now. Stupid engineering-- the unit
> > > has a
> > > > > heavy duty shell, but why did they bother?
> > > > > The feature I am really looking for is the high
> > > end
> > > > > roll of that gives a delay the analog sound, so
> > > I am
> > > > > wondering what other people are using. No I
> > > don't want
> > > > > to carry my echoplex around, just too fragile.
> > > Ivan,
> > > > > weren't you using an Akai Headrush for a while?
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > ferenc
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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