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one of the reasons I did the TWANG SHEBANG #30 special on THE
SEARCHERS was to groove together 2 'genres' - 'British Invasion'
and 'surf-rock', and, in the process, hopefully bring our beloved
surf music to people that I JUST KNOW WOULD LOVE IT BECAUSE OF THEIR
LOVE FOR THE BRITISH INVASION 'POP' music
so I chose music that had a retro 60's sound; I did the same thing
for the PETE BEST special edition (show #28)--and I thought it all
blended wondrously
thus, I thought I'd share some comments I have been getting in emails
or that have been posted in other Yahoo Groups
again - here's the place you start to hear TWANG SHEBANG; at the top
of the page, upper left, where it says RECENT SHOWS - PRESS HERE,
click on that, and hit track 3 for PART 1 of the SEARCHERS show,
track 4 for PART 2 --IT OPENS IN ITS OWN PLAYER - FULL STEREO!!
or scroll down, and click on THE SEARCHERS TWANG SHEBANG #30 and then
it opens to a page where you can access parts 1 and 2
the link for TWANG SHEBANG:
option=com_mtree&task=listcats&cat_id=69&Itemid=26
TWANG IT AND THEY WILL COME!!
UNSTEADY FREDDIE
thanks to everyone for the sentiments;
OK HERE ARE SOME COMMENTS:
first one comes from the DC5 Yahoo Group (Dave Clark 5):
(Unsteady) Freddie:
I just finished listening to your Searchers radio special (the
Internet is a wonderful thing) ... I enjoyed it immensely !!! I got
the link from the DC5 forum.
I've been a HUGE Searchers fan since 1964. I remember being totally
stunned upon hearing the guitar intro to 'Don't Throw Your Love
Away' . That's what has always attracted me, is the unusual tone
(sound) of their guitars. I agree wholeheartedly that their
influence on rock has been and still is woefully underestimated.
I spent some time with them, specifically in the late '80's, when
they used to play at a local club in Kitchener, Ont. Canada, called
Lulu's. They actually spent an evening at my house answering
questions regarding the British Invasion etc. Great bunch of
guys !!!. They haven't toured Canada recently, so it's been awhile
since I've seen them, but I still get a Christmas card from John.
It was nice to hear some of the lesser known songs on your special. I
have most of their vinyl / cds and listen to them on a regular basis.
My favourites are (in no particular order) 'Don't Throw Your Love
Away', 'Each Time', 'Since You Broke My Heart,' 'Goodbye My
Love', 'Bumble Bee', to name a few.
Anyway, I wanted to thank you for the hard work and enthusiasm you
put into the radio special. I understand the 'rush' one gets when one
meets their heroes.
I'll listen more often to your show via the Internet.
Rock oN
Gil Zurbrigg
Kitchener, Ontario
Canada
the second one comes from WENDY BURTON, of the MY-GENERATION YAHOO
GROUP (which has as its main focus THE SEARCHERS but also covers lots
of other music of interest):
I managed to access both parts of your "Searchers" show this evening,
Freddie.
Enjoyed it very much .... of course what I enjoyed most was your
interview with Frank ... but I enjoyed the music too, and I'm not
referring specifically to the Searchers music but to some of the
other stuff you played during the programme. I have to admit to
never having heard most of those records, nor even sof some of the
artistes concerned, but it all blended very well.
I thought you handled the interview very well. Quite laid back,
compared with the madcap Freddie I saw boogeying on down during the
show itself and met in the bar afterwards!! You asked very
intelligent and well thought-out questions, and of course you got
intelligent and well thought-out answers! It was nice to hear Frank
refer to me as a "lady"!! Thanks for your own kind comments too.
It was a shame that John McNally didn't take part in the interview -
he actually interviews quite well, although I guess your American
listeners might have trouble understanding his strong Liverpudlian
accent - and he speaks rather fast too. A bit annoying that he was
messing around in the background, and I could tell from the
intonation in Frank's voice when he was trying to answer questions at
those points that he wished John would either take part properly or
be quiet!
You'd obviously researched the Searchers' history properly, and you
put it all over very well.
Glad you enjoyed doing it .... I'm sure the rest of the My-Genners
who've listened to it so far will have enjoyed it too. Well done!
Wendy
Freddie,
First, I respect your dedicated enthusiasm for the surf music scene, and
everyone's desire to expand our audience - thus no personal offense is meant by
my opinion below. However, my own opinion is that linking modern instro bands
to 60's first-wave or Brit-pop actually narrows the audience, rather than
expanding it.
A perfect example is the awkward and misleading review of the new AZTEC BEACH
disc in the San Diego paper from yesterday. The reviewer has obviously
(obliviously?) linked instrumental music to 60's pop culture, and her "C-minus"
review in a major outlet does modern instro bands no favors. It effectively
equates 11 fantastic modern bands to Gidget.
Various artists, KCR Radio Presents Aztec Beach (Rickshaw Records)
Usually, when someone mentions college radio you think of obscure bands, not
surf
music. But Aztec Beach, a benefit record for SDSUs KCR radio station, is
filled with
classic surf tunes the kind you hear in those old Frankie Avalon movies. And
while
that relaxed vibe is cool for about 20 minutes, an entire CD is a bit much.
Maybe Im
just not groovy enough, but by the end of the 21-song album, it just feels
like youve
been listening to one very long song. C-
You can send your comments about the AZTEC BEACH review to
- Rick
Rickshaw Records
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:51:28 -0000
From: "Unsteady Freddie"
Subject: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer audiences
one of the reasons I did the TWANG SHEBANG #30 special on THE
SEARCHERS was to groove together 2 'genres' - 'British Invasion'
and 'surf-rock', and, in the process, hopefully bring our beloved
surf music to people that I JUST KNOW WOULD LOVE IT BECAUSE OF THEIR
LOVE FOR THE BRITISH INVASION 'POP' music
so I chose music that had a retro 60's sound; I did the same thing
for the PETE BEST special edition (show #28)--and I thought it all
blended wondrously
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--- In , Rick Wilkinson
<surfonica@y...> wrote:
>
> Freddie,
> First, I respect your dedicated enthusiasm for the surf music
scene, and everyone's desire to expand our audience - thus no
personal offense is meant by my opinion below. However, my own
opinion is that linking modern instro bands to 60's first-wave or
Brit-pop actually narrows the audience, rather than expanding it.
>
>
that critic does not represent everyone
it's just one person's opinion
but, I appreciate your sentiments, and honesty
I continue to receive a bunch of wonderful posts re: TWANG SHEBANG
#30 and the surf music I played on the show, in Yahoo groups
that have nothing to do with surf music whatsoever -- to me, ipso
facto, that is expansion
you have your definitions, I have mine
new listeners are hearing music by modern surf bands
isn't that a good thing?
UNSTEADY FREDDIE
C-? Must be the same lost soul that gives Rap music an A+.....................
B-B-O
---- Rick Wilkinson <> wrote:
> Freddie,
> First, I respect your dedicated enthusiasm for the surf music scene, and
everyone's desire to expand our audience - thus no personal offense is meant by
my opinion below. However, my own opinion is that linking modern instro bands
to 60's first-wave or Brit-pop actually narrows the audience, rather than
expanding it.
>
> A perfect example is the awkward and misleading review of the new AZTEC
BEACH disc in the San Diego paper from yesterday. The reviewer has obviously
(obliviously?) linked instrumental music to 60's pop culture, and her "C-minus"
review in a major outlet does modern instro bands no favors. It effectively
equates 11 fantastic modern bands to Gidget.
>
> Various artists, ÂKCR Radio Presents Aztec Beach (Rickshaw Records)
> Usually, when someone mentions college radio you think of obscure bands, not
surf
> music. But ÂAztec Beach, a benefit record for SDSUÂs KCR radio station,
is filled with
> classic surf tunes  the kind you hear in those old Frankie Avalon movies.
And while
> that relaxed vibe is cool for about 20 minutes, an entire CD is a bit much.
Maybe IÂm
> just not groovy enough, but by the end of the 21-song album, it just feels
like youÂve
> been listening to one very long song. C-
>
> You can send your comments about the AZTEC BEACH review to
>
> - Rick
> Rickshaw Records
>
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:51:28 -0000
> From: "Unsteady Freddie"
> Subject: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer audiences
>
> one of the reasons I did the TWANG SHEBANG #30 special on THE
> SEARCHERS was to groove together 2 'genres' - 'British Invasion'
> and 'surf-rock', and, in the process, hopefully bring our beloved
> surf music to people that I JUST KNOW WOULD LOVE IT BECAUSE OF THEIR
> LOVE FOR THE BRITISH INVASION 'POP' music
>
> so I chose music that had a retro 60's sound; I did the same thing
> for the PETE BEST special edition (show #28)--and I thought it all
> blended wondrously
>
>
>
>
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--- In , scanman@a... wrote:
>
> C-? Must be the same lost soul that gives Rap music an
A+.....................
> B-B-O
>
>
>
BILLY
what's your take on what I am "trying" to do here?
some of your music whole-heartedly embraces the sounds of 'earlier
times', no?
isn't that positive, rather than negative?
and thx KAPU - yeah THE ENERGY - that's a BIG PART of it!! you got
that right!!!
and the key word for me always has been and shall remain: "fun" --
the 60's music radio mix was "fun", the epitome of it
it's missing today if U ask me
can I fill some void, even a slight one? dunno...but I'm gonna keep
at it
TWANG SHEBANG is ever-evolving, growing; I'm expanding the walls,
adding more diverse stuff to the straight-out surf; I am of the
belief that people who dig surf will dig what I am playing mixed
within the show; CASBAH certainly does this to great success; in
the works: I am working on a show that centers on STEVE HACKETT --
yeah the GENESIS guitar virtuoso....and I will try and mix in some
surf that embraces 'progressive'/'surf'/'art' rock elements...why
not? I mean, plenty of surf bands rock pretty hard too, or draw on
that stuff, and/or psychedlic rock, 'world' music, jazz, ethnic,
klezmer (CHUM, MERMEN, AQUA VELVETS, SERFS, LAIKA & THE COSMONAUTS,
ESTRUMENTAL, POLLO DEL MAR, COFFIN DAGGERS and on and on)
I throw out this question:
actually, how can modern surf NOT refer back to the first wave?
isn't it UNAVOIDABLE?
for me, if I can bring this exciting spiritual wondrous music to new
listeners, then I have successed, on some level; and of course I
want to give joy to those of us that are freaks for the deep
reverb/twang/instro thang
hey I'm just tryin' to be a little adventurous, take a few chances,
and maybe just maybe help the genre?
Unsteady Freddie
When I read reviews like this, (the one Rick just sent us), justifies the fact
that so many people have'nt a clue as to what surf music really is. She (the
reviewer), really had no business even attempting to write a review on something
she has no clue about. Once again we've fallen prey to the lyric lovers. Is she
naive or just not educated in the world of real surf music? I think a little of
both.
That being said. Sure, why not share the surf love to other genres and their
audiences. If not, we'll forever hear, " Oh, you play surf music?". "You mean
like The Beach Boys?"
B-B-O
---- Unsteady Freddie <> wrote:
> --- In , scanman@a... wrote:
> >
> > C-? Must be the same lost soul that gives Rap music an
> A+.....................
> > B-B-O
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> BILLY
>
> what's your take on what I am "trying" to do here?
>
> some of your music whole-heartedly embraces the sounds of 'earlier
> times', no?
>
> isn't that positive, rather than negative?
>
> and thx KAPU - yeah THE ENERGY - that's a BIG PART of it!! you got
> that right!!!
>
> and the key word for me always has been and shall remain: "fun" --
> the 60's music radio mix was "fun", the epitome of it
>
> it's missing today if U ask me
>
> can I fill some void, even a slight one? dunno...but I'm gonna keep
> at it
>
> TWANG SHEBANG is ever-evolving, growing; I'm expanding the walls,
> adding more diverse stuff to the straight-out surf; I am of the
> belief that people who dig surf will dig what I am playing mixed
> within the show; CASBAH certainly does this to great success; in
> the works: I am working on a show that centers on STEVE HACKETT --
> yeah the GENESIS guitar virtuoso....and I will try and mix in some
> surf that embraces 'progressive'/'surf'/'art' rock elements...why
> not? I mean, plenty of surf bands rock pretty hard too, or draw on
> that stuff, and/or psychedlic rock, 'world' music, jazz, ethnic,
> klezmer (CHUM, MERMEN, AQUA VELVETS, SERFS, LAIKA & THE COSMONAUTS,
> ESTRUMENTAL, POLLO DEL MAR, COFFIN DAGGERS and on and on)
>
> I throw out this question:
> actually, how can modern surf NOT refer back to the first wave?
> isn't it UNAVOIDABLE?
>
> for me, if I can bring this exciting spiritual wondrous music to new
> listeners, then I have successed, on some level; and of course I
> want to give joy to those of us that are freaks for the deep
> reverb/twang/instro thang
>
> hey I'm just tryin' to be a little adventurous, take a few chances,
> and maybe just maybe help the genre?
>
> Unsteady Freddie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
> Visit for archived messages,
bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
Yeah, it's that endless geneology issue of how Surf was originally
marketed and maintains itself in the "uneducated" public subconscious.
Very frustrating, of course. However,
I believe it is, in part, the mission of THIS generation of Surf artists
to establish THEIR OWN identity [MODERN SURF] as the vital and current
music it is, while "nodding" to it's inspirational roots - the same as
all the other long-standing non-pop genres do. Every Surf fan's
obligation is to smash the myths and "educate" when the opportunity
arises. The "new" fans will then "get it" and many already have. If
folks simply send prospective Surf fans to this list, job done. You
can't help but get a nice education round these parts :-) Thanks, BN.
I welcome new audiences to MODERN Surf every day! (And not to forget
that Surf itself, is a subset of Instrumental)
Viva la Twang!
bIG wAvE Dave
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
[mailto:]
>On Behalf Of
>Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:38 PM
>To:
>Cc: Unsteady Freddie
>Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer
audiences
>
>When I read reviews like this, (the one Rick just sent us), justifies
the
>fact that so many people have'nt a clue as to what surf music really
is.
>She (the reviewer), really had no business even attempting to write a
>review on something she has no clue about. Once again we've fallen prey
to
>the lyric lovers. Is she naive or just not educated in the world of
real
>surf music? I think a little of both.
>That being said. Sure, why not share the surf love to other genres and
>their audiences. If not, we'll forever hear, " Oh, you play surf
music?".
>"You mean like The Beach Boys?"
>B-B-O
>
>
>---- Unsteady Freddie <> wrote:
>> --- In , scanman@a... wrote:
>> >
>> > C-? Must be the same lost soul that gives Rap music an
>> A+.....................
>> > B-B-O
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> BILLY
>>
>> what's your take on what I am "trying" to do here?
>>
>> some of your music whole-heartedly embraces the sounds of 'earlier
>> times', no?
>>
>> isn't that positive, rather than negative?
>>
>> and thx KAPU - yeah THE ENERGY - that's a BIG PART of it!! you got
>> that right!!!
>>
>> and the key word for me always has been and shall remain: "fun" --
>> the 60's music radio mix was "fun", the epitome of it
>>
>> it's missing today if U ask me
>>
>> can I fill some void, even a slight one? dunno...but I'm gonna keep
>> at it
>>
>> TWANG SHEBANG is ever-evolving, growing; I'm expanding the walls,
>> adding more diverse stuff to the straight-out surf; I am of the
>> belief that people who dig surf will dig what I am playing mixed
>> within the show; CASBAH certainly does this to great success; in
>> the works: I am working on a show that centers on STEVE HACKETT --
>> yeah the GENESIS guitar virtuoso....and I will try and mix in some
>> surf that embraces 'progressive'/'surf'/'art' rock elements...why
>> not? I mean, plenty of surf bands rock pretty hard too, or draw on
>> that stuff, and/or psychedlic rock, 'world' music, jazz, ethnic,
>> klezmer (CHUM, MERMEN, AQUA VELVETS, SERFS, LAIKA & THE COSMONAUTS,
>> ESTRUMENTAL, POLLO DEL MAR, COFFIN DAGGERS and on and on)
>>
>> I throw out this question:
>> actually, how can modern surf NOT refer back to the first wave?
>> isn't it UNAVOIDABLE?
>>
>> for me, if I can bring this exciting spiritual wondrous music to new
>> listeners, then I have successed, on some level; and of course I
>> want to give joy to those of us that are freaks for the deep
>> reverb/twang/instro thang
>>
>> hey I'm just tryin' to be a little adventurous, take a few chances,
>> and maybe just maybe help the genre?
>>
>> Unsteady Freddie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>> Visit for archived
messages,
>bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>.
>Visit for archived
messages,
>bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
--- In , "Dave Becker" <novapup@i...>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, it's that endless geneology issue of how Surf was originally
> marketed and maintains itself in the "uneducated" public
subconscious.
> Very frustrating, of course. However,
>
> I believe it is, in part, the mission of THIS generation of Surf
artists
> to establish THEIR OWN identity [MODERN SURF] as the vital and
current
> music it is, while "nodding" to it's inspirational roots - the same
as
> all the other long-standing non-pop genres do. Every Surf fan's
> obligation is to smash the myths and "educate" when the opportunity
> arises. The "new" fans will then "get it" and many already have. If
> folks simply send prospective Surf fans to this list, job done. You
> can't help but get a nice education round these parts :-) Thanks,
BN.
>
> I welcome new audiences to MODERN Surf every day! (And not to forget
> that Surf itself, is a subset of Instrumental)
> Viva la Twang!
>
> bIG wAvE Dave
>
>
again, we're pretty much sharing the same vision
yet the songs I mixed into the SEARCHERS show I did show the 'modern'
surf bands have an affinity for what came before them; that's kind of
my point, and maybe that's gotten lost here
I thought I'd ask Rick from Rickshaw Records a question, in light of
the comments he made -- doesn't doing a 'comp' of covers by THE
CLASH, released on Rickshaw, in a way, contradict the statement
made? why is going back to the late 70's/early 80's viable, while
looking back to the 60's a no-no? I LOVE that CLASH CD (in fact I
know my 'review comments' have been quoted on the Rickshaw pages
since the CD was released--)....
the BBC 'review' sort of plays right into where this discussion is
embedded:
"What if the Clash had surfed? Would they have listened to the
Ventures and the Beach Boys instead of Jamaican Reggae? To guess what
might have been, this tribute brings together a number of surf bands
from around the world united by their love of the Clash... Personal
favourites of mine being Complete Control played so fast by the Lava
Rats it sounds like the guitarist is having trouble keeping up, the
flute led ska monster that the Anacondas make Guns Of Brixton into,
and the way the always excellent Thurston Lava Tube manage to fit
both moogs and the drum solo from Wipeout into Stay Free."
KEEPIN' THE TWANG ALIVE
that's what I'm about. period.
Unsteady Freddie
>
>again, we're pretty much sharing the same vision
Mais oui!
>
>yet the songs I mixed into the SEARCHERS show I did show the 'modern'
>surf bands have an affinity for what came before them; that's kind of
>my point, and maybe that's gotten lost here
>
This point was not lost. I thought TSB#30 was a great show.
I will also add that Modern Surf bands have 40 years of influences to
draw from since the root of the genre. A clash tribute fits like a glove
for those bands who've been influence, same for The Searchers and
BritInvasion stylings.
To the point of this overall thread though, fans of ANY of these
"influences" (from Brit to the Clash to Zep and Zappa) can be brought
into the world of Surf because Surf has the ability to accommodate and
draws from SO MANY influences. A wonderful thing...indeed.
BW Dave
--- In , "Dave Becker" <novapup@i...>
wrote:
>
>
> >
> >again, we're pretty much sharing the same vision
>
> Mais oui!
>
> >
> >yet the songs I mixed into the SEARCHERS show I did show
the 'modern'
> >surf bands have an affinity for what came before them; that's kind
of
> >my point, and maybe that's gotten lost here
> >
>
> This point was not lost. I thought TSB#30 was a great show.
> I will also add that Modern Surf bands have 40 years of influences
to
> draw from since the root of the genre. A clash tribute fits like a
glove
> for those bands who've been influence, same for The Searchers and
> BritInvasion stylings.
>
> To the point of this overall thread though, fans of ANY of these
> "influences" (from Brit to the Clash to Zep and Zappa) can be
brought
> into the world of Surf because Surf has the ability to accommodate
and
> draws from SO MANY influences. A wonderful thing...indeed.
>
> BW Dave
>
ahhhhh, thank you B W DAVE
this is my thinking too
as far as the CLASH go, YES, what a SUPERB CD Rickshaw put out - they
should be proud -- sounds amazing, and the songs were delivered in
style and have great wet reverb energy - still listen to it often
Unsteady Freddie
Hi, wow, what a wealth of expressions here on what is surf on this
thread.The bad part of surf music is the reality that it has a limited
audience. The good part is that it is fun to play. The only time you
will see a mass of people listening to surf is when DD shows up. What
is even more amazing is that DD draws younger fans too. Kid or no kid
in his act he must be doing something right. Anyway, as for the rest
of us, except for the Straightjackets and maybe Slacktone we have to
be satisfied with these facts. Just have to do surf for the love of
it. Our band plays very traditional and do not make apologies for it.
We play the music as close to vintage as possible and base all of our
decisions on that. The equipment, set list (whether old surf or
newer), etc. Three of us came from varying degrees of blues
backgrounds and our forming the band came out of our love for the
music. We try not philosophize it or analyze it. The music is just
plain fun to play and listen to. The only way I think that surf (or a
deriviative of surf) can attract more is if a young band comes up and
start attracting lots of college age kids to their shows.
Face it, surf, even in the early sixties, was a Southern California
happening which never made it nationwide as far as record sales or
exposure except for a few songs.
--- In , "Unsteady Freddie"
<schizofredric@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "Dave Becker" <novapup@i...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, it's that endless geneology issue of how Surf was originally
> > marketed and maintains itself in the "uneducated" public
> subconscious.
> > Very frustrating, of course. However,
> >
> > I believe it is, in part, the mission of THIS generation of Surf
> artists
> > to establish THEIR OWN identity [MODERN SURF] as the vital and
> current
> > music it is, while "nodding" to it's inspirational roots - the same
> as
> > all the other long-standing non-pop genres do. Every Surf fan's
> > obligation is to smash the myths and "educate" when the opportunity
> > arises. The "new" fans will then "get it" and many already have. If
> > folks simply send prospective Surf fans to this list, job done. You
> > can't help but get a nice education round these parts :-) Thanks,
> BN.
> >
> > I welcome new audiences to MODERN Surf every day! (And not to forget
> > that Surf itself, is a subset of Instrumental)
> > Viva la Twang!
> >
> > bIG wAvE Dave
> >
> >
>
>
>
> again, we're pretty much sharing the same vision
>
> yet the songs I mixed into the SEARCHERS show I did show the 'modern'
> surf bands have an affinity for what came before them; that's kind of
> my point, and maybe that's gotten lost here
>
> I thought I'd ask Rick from Rickshaw Records a question, in light of
> the comments he made -- doesn't doing a 'comp' of covers by THE
> CLASH, released on Rickshaw, in a way, contradict the statement
> made? why is going back to the late 70's/early 80's viable, while
> looking back to the 60's a no-no? I LOVE that CLASH CD (in fact I
> know my 'review comments' have been quoted on the Rickshaw pages
> since the CD was released--
> )....
>
> the BBC 'review' sort of plays right into where this discussion is
> embedded:
>
> "What if the Clash had surfed? Would they have listened to the
> Ventures and the Beach Boys instead of Jamaican Reggae? To guess what
> might have been, this tribute brings together a number of surf bands
> from around the world united by their love of the Clash... Personal
> favourites of mine being Complete Control played so fast by the Lava
> Rats it sounds like the guitarist is having trouble keeping up, the
> flute led ska monster that the Anacondas make Guns Of Brixton into,
> and the way the always excellent Thurston Lava Tube manage to fit
> both moogs and the drum solo from Wipeout into Stay Free."
>
> KEEPIN' THE TWANG ALIVE
> that's what I'm about. period.
>
> Unsteady Freddie
>
A young band popularizing surf is one way that surf can be reinvigorated but
there is another way, namely movies. We saw it happen in 1994 for with the film
Pulp Fiction.
-Marty
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From: Tony
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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer audiences
...The only way I think that surf (or a
deriviative of surf) can attract more is if a young band comes up and
start attracting lots of college age kids to their shows.
Face it, surf, even in the early sixties, was a Southern California
happening which never made it nationwide as far as record sales or
exposure except for a few songs.
--- In , "Unsteady Freddie"
<schizofredric@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "Dave Becker" <novapup@i...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, it's that endless geneology issue of how Surf was originally
> > marketed and maintains itself in the "uneducated" public
> subconscious.
> > Very frustrating, of course. However,
> >
> > I believe it is, in part, the mission of THIS generation of Surf
> artists
> > to establish THEIR OWN identity [MODERN SURF] as the vital and
> current
> > music it is, while "nodding" to it's inspirational roots - the same
> as
> > all the other long-standing non-pop genres do. Every Surf fan's
> > obligation is to smash the myths and "educate" when the opportunity
> > arises. The "new" fans will then "get it" and many already have. If
> > folks simply send prospective Surf fans to this list, job done. You
> > can't help but get a nice education round these parts :-) Thanks,
> BN.
> >
> > I welcome new audiences to MODERN Surf every day! (And not to forget
> > that Surf itself, is a subset of Instrumental)
> > Viva la Twang!
> >
> > bIG wAvE Dave
> >
> >
>
>
>
> again, we're pretty much sharing the same vision
>
> yet the songs I mixed into the SEARCHERS show I did show the 'modern'
> surf bands have an affinity for what came before them; that's kind of
> my point, and maybe that's gotten lost here
>
> I thought I'd ask Rick from Rickshaw Records a question, in light of
> the comments he made -- doesn't doing a 'comp' of covers by THE
> CLASH, released on Rickshaw, in a way, contradict the statement
> made? why is going back to the late 70's/early 80's viable, while
> looking back to the 60's a no-no? I LOVE that CLASH CD (in fact I
> know my 'review comments' have been quoted on the Rickshaw pages
> since the CD was released--
> )....
>
> the BBC 'review' sort of plays right into where this discussion is
> embedded:
>
> "What if the Clash had surfed? Would they have listened to the
> Ventures and the Beach Boys instead of Jamaican Reggae? To guess what
> might have been, this tribute brings together a number of surf bands
> from around the world united by their love of the Clash... Personal
> favourites of mine being Complete Control played so fast by the Lava
> Rats it sounds like the guitarist is having trouble keeping up, the
> flute led ska monster that the Anacondas make Guns Of Brixton into,
> and the way the always excellent Thurston Lava Tube manage to fit
> both moogs and the drum solo from Wipeout into Stay Free."
>
> KEEPIN' THE TWANG ALIVE
> that's what I'm about. period.
>
> Unsteady Freddie
>
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True, Marty.
And...we may all be surprised by the effect of the MySpace community
networking dynamic. With its growing presence of Surf bands and
evangelists, it will surely create grass-roots awareness and influence
more new young artists and audiences.
All good!
BW Dave
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
[mailto:]
>On Behalf Of Marty Tippens
>Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:18 PM
>To:
>Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer
audiences
>
>A young band popularizing surf is one way that surf can be
reinvigorated
>but there is another way, namely movies. We saw it happen in 1994 for
with
>the film Pulp Fiction.
>-Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:27 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer audiences
>
>
> ...The only way I think that surf (or a
> deriviative of surf) can attract more is if a young band comes up and
> start attracting lots of college age kids to their shows.
> Face it, surf, even in the early sixties, was a Southern California
> happening which never made it nationwide as far as record sales or
> exposure except for a few songs.
>
> --- In , "Unsteady Freddie"
> <schizofredric@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , "Dave Becker" <novapup@i...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's that endless geneology issue of how Surf was
originally
> > > marketed and maintains itself in the "uneducated" public
> > subconscious.
> > > Very frustrating, of course. However,
> > >
> > > I believe it is, in part, the mission of THIS generation of Surf
> > artists
> > > to establish THEIR OWN identity [MODERN SURF] as the vital and
> > current
> > > music it is, while "nodding" to it's inspirational roots - the
same
> > as
> > > all the other long-standing non-pop genres do. Every Surf fan's
> > > obligation is to smash the myths and "educate" when the
opportunity
> > > arises. The "new" fans will then "get it" and many already have.
If
> > > folks simply send prospective Surf fans to this list, job done.
You
> > > can't help but get a nice education round these parts :-) Thanks,
> > BN.
> > >
> > > I welcome new audiences to MODERN Surf every day! (And not to
forget
> > > that Surf itself, is a subset of Instrumental)
> > > Viva la Twang!
> > >
> > > bIG wAvE Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > again, we're pretty much sharing the same vision
> >
> > yet the songs I mixed into the SEARCHERS show I did show the
'modern'
> > surf bands have an affinity for what came before them; that's kind
of
> > my point, and maybe that's gotten lost here
> >
> > I thought I'd ask Rick from Rickshaw Records a question, in light
of
> > the comments he made -- doesn't doing a 'comp' of covers by THE
> > CLASH, released on Rickshaw, in a way, contradict the statement
> > made? why is going back to the late 70's/early 80's viable, while
> > looking back to the 60's a no-no? I LOVE that CLASH CD (in fact I
> > know my 'review comments' have been quoted on the Rickshaw pages
> > since the CD was released--
> > )....
> >
> > the BBC 'review' sort of plays right into where this discussion is
> > embedded:
> >
> > "What if the Clash had surfed? Would they have listened to the
> > Ventures and the Beach Boys instead of Jamaican Reggae? To guess
what
> > might have been, this tribute brings together a number of surf
bands
> > from around the world united by their love of the Clash... Personal
> > favourites of mine being Complete Control played so fast by the
Lava
> > Rats it sounds like the guitarist is having trouble keeping up, the
> > flute led ska monster that the Anacondas make Guns Of Brixton into,
> > and the way the always excellent Thurston Lava Tube manage to fit
> > both moogs and the drum solo from Wipeout into Stay Free."
> >
> > KEEPIN' THE TWANG ALIVE
> > that's what I'm about. period.
> >
> > Unsteady Freddie
> >
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I hadn't thought of My Space in terms of market potential for surf music. That
could be a good one.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Becker
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer audiences
True, Marty.
And...we may all be surprised by the effect of the MySpace community
networking dynamic. With its growing presence of Surf bands and
evangelists, it will surely create grass-roots awareness and influence
more new young artists and audiences.
All good!
BW Dave
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
[mailto:]
>On Behalf Of Marty Tippens
>Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:18 PM
>To:
>Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer
audiences
>
>A young band popularizing surf is one way that surf can be
reinvigorated
>but there is another way, namely movies. We saw it happen in 1994 for
with
>the film Pulp Fiction.
>-Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:27 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer audiences
>
>
> ...The only way I think that surf (or a
> deriviative of surf) can attract more is if a young band comes up and
> start attracting lots of college age kids to their shows.
> Face it, surf, even in the early sixties, was a Southern California
> happening which never made it nationwide as far as record sales or
> exposure except for a few songs.
>
> --- In , "Unsteady Freddie"
> <schizofredric@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , "Dave Becker" <novapup@i...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's that endless geneology issue of how Surf was
originally
> > > marketed and maintains itself in the "uneducated" public
> > subconscious.
> > > Very frustrating, of course. However,
> > >
> > > I believe it is, in part, the mission of THIS generation of Surf
> > artists
> > > to establish THEIR OWN identity [MODERN SURF] as the vital and
> > current
> > > music it is, while "nodding" to it's inspirational roots - the
same
> > as
> > > all the other long-standing non-pop genres do. Every Surf fan's
> > > obligation is to smash the myths and "educate" when the
opportunity
> > > arises. The "new" fans will then "get it" and many already have.
If
> > > folks simply send prospective Surf fans to this list, job done.
You
> > > can't help but get a nice education round these parts :-) Thanks,
> > BN.
> > >
> > > I welcome new audiences to MODERN Surf every day! (And not to
forget
> > > that Surf itself, is a subset of Instrumental)
> > > Viva la Twang!
> > >
> > > bIG wAvE Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > again, we're pretty much sharing the same vision
> >
> > yet the songs I mixed into the SEARCHERS show I did show the
'modern'
> > surf bands have an affinity for what came before them; that's kind
of
> > my point, and maybe that's gotten lost here
> >
> > I thought I'd ask Rick from Rickshaw Records a question, in light
of
> > the comments he made -- doesn't doing a 'comp' of covers by THE
> > CLASH, released on Rickshaw, in a way, contradict the statement
> > made? why is going back to the late 70's/early 80's viable, while
> > looking back to the 60's a no-no? I LOVE that CLASH CD (in fact I
> > know my 'review comments' have been quoted on the Rickshaw pages
> > since the CD was released--
> > )....
> >
> > the BBC 'review' sort of plays right into where this discussion is
> > embedded:
> >
> > "What if the Clash had surfed? Would they have listened to the
> > Ventures and the Beach Boys instead of Jamaican Reggae? To guess
what
> > might have been, this tribute brings together a number of surf
bands
> > from around the world united by their love of the Clash... Personal
> > favourites of mine being Complete Control played so fast by the
Lava
> > Rats it sounds like the guitarist is having trouble keeping up, the
> > flute led ska monster that the Anacondas make Guns Of Brixton into,
> > and the way the always excellent Thurston Lava Tube manage to fit
> > both moogs and the drum solo from Wipeout into Stay Free."
> >
> > KEEPIN' THE TWANG ALIVE
> > that's what I'm about. period.
> >
> > Unsteady Freddie
> >
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here's Bruno from Wet-tones-italy,as you told the fact is that we have not a
big audience and so not the pubblicity about it,we're playing 4 us
first,and 4 the people most which feels the same emotions like us!
our supporter comes from rockabilly to punk(now I'm almost 50...but in the
'79 I was in London as..a punk,and again proud to be...was!),we're happy to
meet young guys at our shows which likes the way to surf!
sometimes is hard to gig around,many miles,few euros,but...we LIKE to
Surf!!!!!!!!! we're proud to take instrumentals-surf music,masks-wrestler
masks-leopard wears to the people...which then will love it!
I don't know "unsteady Freddy",but I know his enthusiasm on surf,that's the
way to go,listen to your hart.
aloha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:27 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer audiences
> Hi, wow, what a wealth of expressions here on what is surf on this
> thread.The bad part of surf music is the reality that it has a limited
> audience. The good part is that it is fun to play. The only time you
> will see a mass of people listening to surf is when DD shows up. What
> is even more amazing is that DD draws younger fans too. Kid or no kid
> in his act he must be doing something right. Anyway, as for the rest
> of us, except for the Straightjackets and maybe Slacktone we have to
> be satisfied with these facts. Just have to do surf for the love of
> it. Our band plays very traditional and do not make apologies for it.
> We play the music as close to vintage as possible and base all of our
> decisions on that. The equipment, set list (whether old surf or
> newer), etc. Three of us came from varying degrees of blues
> backgrounds and our forming the band came out of our love for the
> music. We try not philosophize it or analyze it. The music is just
> plain fun to play and listen to. The only way I think that surf (or a
> deriviative of surf) can attract more is if a young band comes up and
> start attracting lots of college age kids to their shows.
> Face it, surf, even in the early sixties, was a Southern California
> happening which never made it nationwide as far as record sales or
> exposure except for a few songs.
>
> --- In , "Unsteady Freddie"
> <schizofredric@y...> wrote:
>>
>> --- In , "Dave Becker" <novapup@i...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yeah, it's that endless geneology issue of how Surf was originally
>> > marketed and maintains itself in the "uneducated" public
>> subconscious.
>> > Very frustrating, of course. However,
>> >
>> > I believe it is, in part, the mission of THIS generation of Surf
>> artists
>> > to establish THEIR OWN identity [MODERN SURF] as the vital and
>> current
>> > music it is, while "nodding" to it's inspirational roots - the same
>> as
>> > all the other long-standing non-pop genres do. Every Surf fan's
>> > obligation is to smash the myths and "educate" when the opportunity
>> > arises. The "new" fans will then "get it" and many already have. If
>> > folks simply send prospective Surf fans to this list, job done. You
>> > can't help but get a nice education round these parts :-) Thanks,
>> BN.
>> >
>> > I welcome new audiences to MODERN Surf every day! (And not to forget
>> > that Surf itself, is a subset of Instrumental)
>> > Viva la Twang!
>> >
>> > bIG wAvE Dave
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> again, we're pretty much sharing the same vision
>>
>> yet the songs I mixed into the SEARCHERS show I did show the 'modern'
>> surf bands have an affinity for what came before them; that's kind of
>> my point, and maybe that's gotten lost here
>>
>> I thought I'd ask Rick from Rickshaw Records a question, in light of
>> the comments he made -- doesn't doing a 'comp' of covers by THE
>> CLASH, released on Rickshaw, in a way, contradict the statement
>> made? why is going back to the late 70's/early 80's viable, while
>> looking back to the 60's a no-no? I LOVE that CLASH CD (in fact I
>> know my 'review comments' have been quoted on the Rickshaw pages
>> since the CD was released--
>> )....
>>
>> the BBC 'review' sort of plays right into where this discussion is
>> embedded:
>>
>> "What if the Clash had surfed? Would they have listened to the
>> Ventures and the Beach Boys instead of Jamaican Reggae? To guess what
>> might have been, this tribute brings together a number of surf bands
>> from around the world united by their love of the Clash... Personal
>> favourites of mine being Complete Control played so fast by the Lava
>> Rats it sounds like the guitarist is having trouble keeping up, the
>> flute led ska monster that the Anacondas make Guns Of Brixton into,
>> and the way the always excellent Thurston Lava Tube manage to fit
>> both moogs and the drum solo from Wipeout into Stay Free."
>>
>> KEEPIN' THE TWANG ALIVE
>> that's what I'm about. period.
>>
>> Unsteady Freddie
>>
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--- In , "Marty Tippens"
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>
> I hadn't thought of My Space in terms of market potential for surf
music. That could be a good one.
> -Marty
>
yeah, I beefed up the Unsteady Freddie MySpace page
I threw a LOT of it in the direction of surf music, such as the once-
a-month shows I am doing at OTTO's, the radio show(s), etc.
and then sending bulletins out to remind people about upcoming shows
at the last OTTO's gig, a bunch of people came up, told me they are
my 'friend' in MySpace; one gentleman is from a great rockabilly
twangin' group, who came down to the show, to meet me, and let me
know his band was available for a future SHINDIG at OTTO's
I think it's a great networking tool
UNSTEADY FREDDIE
www.myspace.com/unsteadyfreddie
do as i did and play it for your pre-teen, because as you grow up you
always remember a lot of the first music you heard as a
child.........another way is if you play and have a kid (not
necessarily your own kid, just any kid) interested in learning how to
play the guitar, teach them how to play the likes of pipeline or some
of the other more simple tunes. i've taught one of my sons 15 yr old
friends who has a punk band how to play 'twitchen' and 'diamond head',
and even though they have punkafied it they do include both in their
set list........carol
To me mainstream popularity is the kiss of death for any underground music
scene.
I was into blues back when it was music made by old black men and only a few
white guys played it. Then along comes Stevie Ray Vaughan and suddenly
everybody is a blues man. Next, I turned on to swing at a time when nobody
contemporary played it - then Brain Setzer goes swing, followed by a slew of new
big bands. Same thing with bluegrass. I got heavily into it just before the
Dixie Chicks and Oh' Brother came along and busted it wide open.
I'd certainly hate to see anything like that happen to surf.
-Matt Crunk
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I understand your sentiment, but surf music as underground? Actually
you nailed it with your examples - blues, swing, bluegrass - all
historical forms of music, surf fits right in there. Not underground -
just under-appreciated.
I would think if you asked a working blues or bluegrass musician if
they were glad to have a bubble of popularity that exposes the music to
new fans, influences younger musicians and creates new markets, they
would probably answer in the affirmative. As players in a currently
little appreciated genre, we tend to get very possessive, keepers of
the faith and all that, and there's a certain kind pride we all share
in being in a select club so to speak. But would I rather play to a
group of 10 hardcore fans or 300 neophytes on the bandwagon?
There seems to be a cycle to these popularity bubbles: Some event
establishes the buzz, the press picks it up and accelerates interest,
the public start buying up the most commercial examples of the style in
large quantities, record labels try to capitalize on it by signing lots
of bands, attendance at shows rise dramatically. Then after about a
year or so, it tapers, goes into decline and the popularity settles
into it's new, somewhat higher level of hardcore fans and players. But
I do believe it's a net gain and ultimately is worth the foray into
mainstream popularity.
Danny Snyder
On Jan 15, 2006, at 8:42 AM, wrote:
> To me mainstream popularity is the kiss of death for any underground
> musicÂ
> scene.
>
> I was into blues back when it was music made by old black men and
> only a few
> white guys played it. Then along comes Stevie Ray Vaughan and
> suddenlyÂ
> everybody is a blues man. Next, I turned on to swing at a time when
> nobodyÂ
> contemporary played it - then Brain Setzer goes swing, followed by a
> slew of newÂ
> big bands. Same thing with bluegrass. I got heavily into it just
> before theÂ
> Dixie Chicks and Oh' Brother came along and busted it wide open.
>
> I'd certainly hate to see anything like that happen to surf.
>
> -Matt Crunk
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That's purdy funny, Matt. I don't know how old you are, but there hasn't been a
time since the 30's when only a few old black men played the blues. SRV was only
a more recent shot in the arm. Long before SRV, there were The Rolling Stones,
Yardbirds, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Johnny Winter, Alvin Lee, ZZ Top, and
Canned Heat among many others that, in varying degrees, influenced all the white
kids into being blooze players. And before those guys were all the jazz players
doing the blues.
Even a surf/ instro group known as The Ventures got into the act hiring
blues-rock great Harvey Mandell to play an album.
I don't think it's such a bad thing for any style of music to get the occasional
shot in the arm, although I don't look forward to the return of hair-metal.
-Marty
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Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: expanding SURF MUSIC to newer audiences
To me mainstream popularity is the kiss of death for any underground music
scene.
I was into blues back when it was music made by old black men and only a few
white guys played it. Then along comes Stevie Ray Vaughan and suddenly
everybody is a blues man. Next, I turned on to swing at a time when nobody
contemporary played it - then Brain Setzer goes swing, followed by a slew of
new
big bands. Same thing with bluegrass. I got heavily into it just before the
Dixie Chicks and Oh' Brother came along and busted it wide open.
I'd certainly hate to see anything like that happen to surf.
-Matt Crunk
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