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What kind of batteries to use in Vintage stomp boxes?

Jerry (wipeoutboy63) - 10 Jan 2006 13:49:34

Hi all,
Ok; I might be a bit off now, but I really would like to know.
Well the thing is a vintage 60ties fuzz with germanium transistors and
as you can guess only 9V battery fed.
So what kind of 9V battery type schould I use for it? I seam to recall
somewhre that different kind of 9V batteries (alkaline, etc...) make
these older stomp boxes sound differently.
Thanks!
Jerry S.
www.thehydrosonics.be
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dave wronski (stickmandw) - 10 Jan 2006 14:15:12

I use Eveready Heavy Duty, or the standard silver one.
Both are carbon. I get them at the $.99 store. I use
them in my Mosrite Fuzzrite, Colorsound Tonebender,
and bothe versions of Jorden Bosstone Fuzz. They are
also the correct choice for the Rangemaster clones I
have- Don Butlers, and Keeleys Java Boost.
Also, when using these type of units, go straight in
with the guitar. No Boss pedals, or anthing else like
that, that has a lower impedance output. It screws up
the sound/response/behavior of those germanian based
pedals even when the {Boss} pedal is off.
~dave
---
<> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Ok; I might be a bit off now, but I really would
like to know.
> Well the thing is a vintage 60ties fuzz with
germanium transistors and
> as you can guess only 9V battery fed.
>
> So what kind of 9V battery type schould I use for
it? I seam to recall
> somewhre that different kind of 9V batteries
(alkaline, etc...) make
> these older stomp boxes sound differently.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jerry S.
>
> www.thehydrosonics.be
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
>
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mono_tones_1 - 10 Jan 2006 15:28:43

FWIW, I have a verbafuzz which I THINK has germanium transitors, and
the guy building them advises alkalines, something to do with
internal resistance of the battery. I also understood that putting
(some) germanium pedals after a buffered output pedal like boss can
actually damage the germanium pedal. some other guys' 2 cents.
and, due to sudden need the pathetic way I spend many a saturday
morning, I usually end up using IKEA batteries. I know, it's sad.
WR
--- In , dave wronski <stickmandw@y...>
wrote:
>
> I use Eveready Heavy Duty, or the standard silver one.
> Both are carbon. I get them at the $.99 store. I use
> them in my Mosrite Fuzzrite, Colorsound Tonebender,
> and bothe versions of Jorden Bosstone Fuzz. They are
> also the correct choice for the Rangemaster clones I
> have- Don Butlers, and Keeleys Java Boost.
> Also, when using these type of units, go straight in
> with the guitar. No Boss pedals, or anthing else like
> that, that has a lower impedance output. It screws up
> the sound/response/behavior of those germanian based
> pedals even when the {Boss} pedal is off.
> ~dave
> ---
> <jerry.soetewey@b...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Ok; I might be a bit off now, but I really would
> like to know.
> > Well the thing is a vintage 60ties fuzz with
> germanium transistors and
> > as you can guess only 9V battery fed.
> >
> > So what kind of 9V battery type schould I use for
> it? I seam to recall
> > somewhre that different kind of 9V batteries
> (alkaline, etc...) make
> > these older stomp boxes sound differently.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Jerry S.
> >
> > www.thehydrosonics.be
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
>
>
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dave wronski (stickmandw) - 10 Jan 2006 16:13:31

I have a Verbafuzz, too, and I think I remember not
hearing a difference when I tried both types of
batteries. It may nat have germanian transistors. I
have a couple of original ts808 tubescreamers and use
alkalines in them.
~dave
---
<> wrote:
> FWIW, I have a verbafuzz which I THINK has germanium
transitors, and
> the guy building them advises alkalines, something
to do with
> internal resistance of the battery. I also
understood that putting
> (some) germanium pedals after a buffered output
pedal like boss can
> actually damage the germanium pedal. some other
guys' 2 cents.
>
> and, due to sudden need the pathetic way I spend
many a saturday
> morning, I usually end up using IKEA batteries. I
know, it's sad.
>
> WR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In , dave wronski
<stickmandw@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I use Eveready Heavy Duty, or the standard silver
one.
> > Both are carbon. I get them at the $.99 store. I
use
> > them in my Mosrite Fuzzrite, Colorsound
Tonebender,
> > and bothe versions of Jorden Bosstone Fuzz. They
are
> > also the correct choice for the Rangemaster clones
I
> > have- Don Butlers, and Keeleys Java Boost.
> > Also, when using these type of units, go straight
in
> > with the guitar. No Boss pedals, or anthing else
like
> > that, that has a lower impedance output. It screws
up
> > the sound/response/behavior of those germanian
based
> > pedals even when the {Boss} pedal is off.
> > ~dave
> > ---
> > <jerry.soetewey@b...> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Ok; I might be a bit off now, but I really would
> > like to know.
> > > Well the thing is a vintage 60ties fuzz with
> > germanium transistors and
> > > as you can guess only 9V battery fed.
> > >
> > > So what kind of 9V battery type schould I use
for
> > it? I seam to recall
> > > somewhre that different kind of 9V batteries
> > (alkaline, etc...) make
> > > these older stomp boxes sound differently.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Jerry S.
> > >
> > > www.thehydrosonics.be
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > >
> >
> >
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unlunf - 11 Jan 2006 15:11:37

Jerry,
> I seam to recall somewhere that different kind of 9V
> batteries (alkaline, etc...) make these older stomp
> boxes sound differently.
This myth has been around almost as long as the infamous
Monster cable dustup. In point of fact, in this scenario,
the test is a no-brainer - either you have little electrons
flowing from a source (battery), or you don't. Simple,
no? The supply of power (electrons) has no effect at all
on the tone of a circuit, be it analog or digital, and
regardless if it's silicon, germanium or whatever.
Well, there is a qualifiter to that statement, namely, the
circuit must have enough power to actually operate as it
was designed. If you use (unintenionally) a battery that
is "under-producing" right from the start, then a circuit
could well misbehave, leaving you with bad tone. Perhaps
the battery had sat on the shelf too long (before you bought
it), or it came from a factory where quality control was very
lax, it doesn't matter. Bottom line being, if it can't
produce the juice, then we can pretty much guess what's gonna
happen, right?
That said, most stompbox circuits will operate correctly down
to about 6 1/2 or 7 volts before they start going south on you.
Not all, by any means, but most. Indeed, many of the early
germanium-based circuits could work reliably down to about
3 or 3 1/2 volts, and it wouldn't surprise me to find current
circuits doing that too.
Try to find and use quality batteries, but in any and all
events, always have at least two spares! In fact, you might
consider a 'rotation' system of using the backup battery
you bought last time, and placing your newest battery in
the backup slot. That way your backup should always be
pretty fresh, right? <g>
Otherwise, alkaline is good for longer life, at a slight
premium in purchase price. Rechargables are OK, but they
don't have nearly as long a "charge life" and if you forget
to change it just before a gig/practice session, you might
get that embarrassed feeling, know what I mean? <g> If you
want/need more info on battery life, just google for it, and
pick a link - there are plenty of sites out there that have
done the research for you!
HTH
unlunf
--- In , "Jerry" <jerry.soetewey@b...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Ok; I might be a bit off now, but I really would like to know.
> Well the thing is a vintage 60's fuzz with germanium transistors
> and as you can guess only 9V battery fed.
>
> So what kind of 9V battery type should I use for it? I seam to
> recall somewhre that different kind of 9V batteries (alkaline,
> etc...) make these older stomp boxes sound differently.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jerry S.
>

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DP (noetical1) - 11 Jan 2006 16:29:51

...I use a DC power adapter on my pedals...
-dp
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