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Here's a dumb question. I've been window shopping on E-bay and have
noticed that most Dual Showman cabinets (2 x 15") have the 2 speakers
side by side. Every once in a while I'll see one that is oriented
vertically (the speakers on top of each other), with the Fender logo
corrected for this. Did Fender change the orientation of the cabinet
through the years? Or is this something that owners did by just
moving the Fender logo and the hardware for bolting the head on?
Thanks,
BN
The early dual showman cabinets (through 1967) are 36"x24"x11.5", with the
two speakers side by side. It's got tilt-back legs on the 24" sides. Same
size as the 1x15" tone-ring cabinets. In mid '67, Fender switched to a huge
(45.5"x30"x11.5") vertical cabinet. Speakers are one over the other,
tilt-back legs gone, and handles moved to the long side of the cab.
This is not to say that some people don't turn the smaller cabinets on their
side; I do this sometimes with my 1x15" bottom.
Mel
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian <> [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:59 AM
To:
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
Here's a dumb question. I've been window shopping on E-bay and have
noticed that most Dual Showman cabinets (2 x 15") have the 2 speakers
side by side. Every once in a while I'll see one that is oriented
vertically (the speakers on top of each other), with the Fender logo
corrected for this. Did Fender change the orientation of the cabinet
through the years? Or is this something that owners did by just
moving the Fender logo and the hardware for bolting the head on?
Thanks,
BN
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Thanks Mel...a related question: what is a "tone ring" and which Fender amps
had it?
BN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mel Waldorf [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:36 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
>
>
> The early dual showman cabinets (through 1967) are 36"x24"x11.5", with the
> two speakers side by side. It's got tilt-back legs on the 24"
> sides. Same
> size as the 1x15" tone-ring cabinets. In mid '67, Fender
> switched to a huge
> (45.5"x30"x11.5") vertical cabinet. Speakers are one over the other,
> tilt-back legs gone, and handles moved to the long side of the cab.
> This is not to say that some people don't turn the smaller
> cabinets on their
> side; I do this sometimes with my 1x15" bottom.
> Mel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian <> [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:59 AM
> To:
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
>
>
> Here's a dumb question. I've been window shopping on E-bay and have
> noticed that most Dual Showman cabinets (2 x 15") have the 2 speakers
> side by side. Every once in a while I'll see one that is oriented
> vertically (the speakers on top of each other), with the Fender logo
> corrected for this. Did Fender change the orientation of the cabinet
> through the years? Or is this something that owners did by just
> moving the Fender logo and the hardware for bolting the head on?
>
> Thanks,
> BN
"Tone-ring" cabinets were part of the '61 Tremolux (1x10") '61 Bandmaster
and Bassman (1x12") and '61-'68 Showman (1x15"). The "tone-ring" refers to
a metal ring which supports the speaker off an inner baffle that allows for
a complex porting system. What makes the porting system unusual is the way
the tone-ring suspends the speaker inside the port. For a Showman, the
front baffle is cut as if for an 18" speaker, and the 15" JBL is in the
center. Unlike other porting systems, this is very focused, as the speaker
and port sound waves exit at the same place.
Mel
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Neal [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:01 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
Thanks Mel...a related question: what is a "tone ring" and which Fender
amps
had it?
BN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mel Waldorf [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:36 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
>
>
> The early dual showman cabinets (through 1967) are 36"x24"x11.5", with
the
> two speakers side by side. It's got tilt-back legs on the 24"
> sides. Same
> size as the 1x15" tone-ring cabinets. In mid '67, Fender
> switched to a huge
> (45.5"x30"x11.5") vertical cabinet. Speakers are one over the other,
> tilt-back legs gone, and handles moved to the long side of the cab.
> This is not to say that some people don't turn the smaller
> cabinets on their
> side; I do this sometimes with my 1x15" bottom.
> Mel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian <> [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:59 AM
> To:
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
>
>
> Here's a dumb question. I've been window shopping on E-bay and have
> noticed that most Dual Showman cabinets (2 x 15") have the 2 speakers
> side by side. Every once in a while I'll see one that is oriented
> vertically (the speakers on top of each other), with the Fender logo
> corrected for this. Did Fender change the orientation of the cabinet
> through the years? Or is this something that owners did by just
> moving the Fender logo and the hardware for bolting the head on?
>
> Thanks,
> BN
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Mel,
-Wow!!! shows what I know. I always thought Shownman speaker cabs
were completely Sealed. What about 2x15 cabs for Guitar and Bass?
tone ring or no? or both?
while I got you on the line, How's work on the Mach IV cd comin'?
thanks in advance,
Jeff(bigtikidude)
-- In , Mel Waldorf <mwaldorf@p...>
wrote:
> "Tone-ring" cabinets were part of the '61 Tremolux (1x10") '61
Bandmaster
> and Bassman (1x12") and '61-'68 Showman (1x15"). The "tone-ring"
refers to
> a metal ring which supports the speaker off an inner baffle that
allows for
> a complex porting system. What makes the porting system unusual is
the way
> the tone-ring suspends the speaker inside the port. For a Showman,
the
> front baffle is cut as if for an 18" speaker, and the 15" JBL is in
the
> center. Unlike other porting systems, this is very focused, as the
speaker
> and port sound waves exit at the same place.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Neal [mailto:bneal@z...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:01 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
>
>
> Thanks Mel...a related question: what is a "tone ring" and which
Fender
> amps
> had it?
> BN
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mel Waldorf [mailto:mwaldorf@p...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:36 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
> >
> >
> > The early dual showman cabinets (through 1967) are
36"x24"x11.5", with
> the
> > two speakers side by side. It's got tilt-back legs on the 24"
> > sides. Same
> > size as the 1x15" tone-ring cabinets. In mid '67, Fender
> > switched to a huge
> > (45.5"x30"x11.5") vertical cabinet. Speakers are one over the
other,
> > tilt-back legs gone, and handles moved to the long side of the
cab.
> > This is not to say that some people don't turn the smaller
> > cabinets on their
> > side; I do this sometimes with my 1x15" bottom.
> > Mel
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian <bneal@z...> [mailto:bneal@z...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
> >
> >
> > Here's a dumb question. I've been window shopping on E-bay
and have
> > noticed that most Dual Showman cabinets (2 x 15") have the 2
speakers
> > side by side. Every once in a while I'll see one that is
oriented
> > vertically (the speakers on top of each other), with the
Fender logo
> > corrected for this. Did Fender change the orientation of the
cabinet
> > through the years? Or is this something that owners did by
just
> > moving the Fender logo and the hardware for bolting the head
on?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > BN
>
>
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Jeff,
The small two speaker cabinets ('62-'67) are sealed with no ports. This is
for all the piggy back amps. As for the later style cabinets, I know the
big Bandmaster 2x12" has rectangular ports off to the side. Haven't looked
inside the others (Bassman and Dual Showman, no post '67 Tremoluxes made) to
know, but I suspect they are. None of the dual speaker cabinets used
tone-rings. In fact, they wouldn't work very well, as the cabinet size
effects the freqency response of porting. A double tone-ring cabinet would
need to be the size of two standard tone-ring cabinets to work. Might as
well just have two standard cabs; much easier on the back.
As for the Mach IV CD - it's coming along. We just recorded five more
originals for a current total of twelve. We've got a few more in progress,
and hope to have a finished product early this summer. All original tunes,
no covers of any wave.
In the meantime, if you want covers, you've got a few more weeks until my
jewish surf record "Meshugga Beach Party" is delivered from the plant.
Sixteen traditional jewish melodies, served up heavy on the reverb. More
details soon.
Shalom!
Mel
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff <> [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:16 PM
To:
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Dual Showman Cabinets
Mel,
-Wow!!! shows what I know. I always thought Shownman speaker cabs
were completely Sealed. What about 2x15 cabs for Guitar and Bass?
tone ring or no? or both?
while I got you on the line, How's work on the Mach IV cd comin'?
thanks in advance,
Jeff(bigtikidude)
-- In , Mel Waldorf <mwaldorf@p...>
wrote:
> "Tone-ring" cabinets were part of the '61 Tremolux (1x10") '61
Bandmaster
> and Bassman (1x12") and '61-'68 Showman (1x15"). The "tone-ring"
refers to
> a metal ring which supports the speaker off an inner baffle that
allows for
> a complex porting system. What makes the porting system unusual is
the way
> the tone-ring suspends the speaker inside the port. For a Showman,
the
> front baffle is cut as if for an 18" speaker, and the 15" JBL is in
the
> center. Unlike other porting systems, this is very focused, as the
speaker
> and port sound waves exit at the same place.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Neal [mailto:bneal@z...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:01 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
>
>
> Thanks Mel...a related question: what is a "tone ring" and which
Fender
> amps
> had it?
> BN
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mel Waldorf [mailto:mwaldorf@p...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:36 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
> >
> >
> > The early dual showman cabinets (through 1967) are
36"x24"x11.5", with
> the
> > two speakers side by side. It's got tilt-back legs on the 24"
> > sides. Same
> > size as the 1x15" tone-ring cabinets. In mid '67, Fender
> > switched to a huge
> > (45.5"x30"x11.5") vertical cabinet. Speakers are one over the
other,
> > tilt-back legs gone, and handles moved to the long side of the
cab.
> > This is not to say that some people don't turn the smaller
> > cabinets on their
> > side; I do this sometimes with my 1x15" bottom.
> > Mel
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian <bneal@z...> [mailto:bneal@z...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Dual Showman Cabinets
> >
> >
> > Here's a dumb question. I've been window shopping on E-bay
and have
> > noticed that most Dual Showman cabinets (2 x 15") have the 2
speakers
> > side by side. Every once in a while I'll see one that is
oriented
> > vertically (the speakers on top of each other), with the
Fender logo
> > corrected for this. Did Fender change the orientation of the
cabinet
> > through the years? Or is this something that owners did by
just
> > moving the Fender logo and the hardware for bolting the head
on?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > BN
>
>
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I had a Fender Bassman that I bought new in '66 or '67 (can't remember
exactly...too long ago :>). It was oriented with a vertical cabinet (
speakers stacked on top of one another) and the Fender logo was moved to be
correct. If I'm not mistaken the Showman and the Bandmaster were done this
way also. It was a blackface amp, and was purchased shortly before the
silverface amps came out.
reverbmike
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