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I have found that you are right Marty, I machine my
own for my Jazzmasters and here's what I found....I
first tried Mustang saddles....fair choice, but no
height adjustments. Then tried Graph Tech....those
made my Jazzmasters sound more like Strats. Then on
one of my quests, I hoofed it downstairs, fired up the
lathe and went to work....Made a set from
teflon...dull, real dull. made a set from
aluminum...better, then machined a set from
brass...(my personal fave) and then stainless
steel...(great but way too much effort)....I settled
on gauged saddles similar to Mustang ones, machined
using free machining brass with stainless steel
adjusting screws for height, secured with low grade
locktite.....they rock......eddie k
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> Yeah, I would bet that saddle material would have
> some effect on tone. The softer the material, the
> duller the sound.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Casey Cash
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:50 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson
> Signature Model complex pickups
>
>
> Thought I'd pass on my limited experience with
> tremblocks, bridge, and
> saddles. Bought a '74 Stratocaster years ago,
> someone had put a brass
> bridge assembly on it, which sounded terrible to
> me. Bought a fender
> "Vintage" assembly sometime in the '80's and
> installed and it sounded
> fine. Recently tried a complete Callaham assembly
> (block, bridge,
> saddles) in its place. The saddles and bridge were
> nickel instead of
> steel. The result was a definite loss of treble
> and "bite"; the guitar
> still sounded good - smoother than before, but
> just seemd to have lost
> something. I ended up testing the Callaham
> components one at a time as
> a substitution for the fender stuff, and came to
> the conclusion that
> it was primarily the nickel saddles and bridge
> that took took out the
> "bite" that I missed. Put the "Vintage" fender
> back in.
> Casey
>
> --- In , "Marty
> Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> > An "upgrade in metallurgy" of the tremblock will
> do absolutely
> nothing, IMHO. Some folks claim to hear a
> difference in tremblocks, My
> ears don't hear it. I did the change to the
> Callaham strictly because
> a vintage reissue advertised as exact to the last
> detail shouldn't
> have a modern trem block. E.J. claims to hear the
> difference. He also
> claims to hear a difference in different brands of
> batteries that he
> puts in his effects pedals.
> > -Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Harry G. Pellegrin
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> Johnson Signature
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> > Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade
> in metallurgy would
> do for a
> > tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I
> have seven strats and
> hate to
> > think what Callahamizing the stable would
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Why go to all this trouble when $47.50 will buy you a complete Mustang bridge
assembly, (allen wrench and bridge mounting cups included!), with the barrel
saddles for strings 1,2,5,6 modified with height adjusting screws in place?
Where? Try Warmoth Guitar Products in Puyallup, Washington!! Here's the link
that'll take you straight to that page in their on-line catalog!
Bruce D
John McCorvey <> wrote:
I have found that you are right Marty, I machine my
own for my Jazzmasters and here's what I found....I
first tried Mustang saddles....fair choice, but no
height adjustments. Then tried Graph Tech....those
made my Jazzmasters sound more like Strats. Then on
one of my quests, I hoofed it downstairs, fired up the
lathe and went to work....Made a set from
teflon...dull, real dull. made a set from
aluminum...better, then machined a set from
brass...(my personal fave) and then stainless
steel...(great but way too much effort)....I settled
on gauged saddles similar to Mustang ones, machined
using free machining brass with stainless steel
adjusting screws for height, secured with low grade
locktite.....they rock......eddie k
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> Yeah, I would bet that saddle material would have
> some effect on tone. The softer the material, the
> duller the sound.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Casey Cash
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:50 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson
> Signature Model complex pickups
>
>
> Thought I'd pass on my limited experience with
> tremblocks, bridge, and
> saddles. Bought a '74 Stratocaster years ago,
> someone had put a brass
> bridge assembly on it, which sounded terrible to
> me. Bought a fender
> "Vintage" assembly sometime in the '80's and
> installed and it sounded
> fine. Recently tried a complete Callaham assembly
> (block, bridge,
> saddles) in its place. The saddles and bridge were
> nickel instead of
> steel. The result was a definite loss of treble
> and "bite"; the guitar
> still sounded good - smoother than before, but
> just seemd to have lost
> something. I ended up testing the Callaham
> components one at a time as
> a substitution for the fender stuff, and came to
> the conclusion that
> it was primarily the nickel saddles and bridge
> that took took out the
> "bite" that I missed. Put the "Vintage" fender
> back in.
> Casey
>
> --- In , "Marty
> Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> > An "upgrade in metallurgy" of the tremblock will
> do absolutely
> nothing, IMHO. Some folks claim to hear a
> difference in tremblocks, My
> ears don't hear it. I did the change to the
> Callaham strictly because
> a vintage reissue advertised as exact to the last
> detail shouldn't
> have a modern trem block. E.J. claims to hear the
> difference. He also
> claims to hear a difference in different brands of
> batteries that he
> puts in his effects pedals.
> > -Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Harry G. Pellegrin
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric
> Johnson Signature
> Model complex pickups
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade
> in metallurgy would
> do for a
> > tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I
> have seven strats and
> hate to
> > think what Callahamizing the stable would
> entail.
> >
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> Jazzmaster!
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Hi Bruce, thanks for the heads up on the Mod Mustang saddles....I found them
long after I made my first brass saddle set. I'm a do it yourself guy anyway
and my saddles have a custom string spacing for each of my Jazzmasters. But
those units would be great for anyone without a lathe in the
basement..........hard headed Eddie K
bruce duncan <> wrote: Why go to all this trouble when $47.50
will buy you a complete Mustang bridge assembly, (allen wrench and bridge
mounting cups included!), with the barrel saddles for strings 1,2,5,6 modified
with height adjusting screws in place?
Where? Try Warmoth Guitar Products in Puyallup, Washington!! Here's the link
that'll take you straight to that page in their on-line catalog!
Bruce D
John McCorvey <> wrote:
I have found that you are right Marty, I machine my
own for my Jazzmasters and here's what I found....I
first tried Mustang saddles....fair choice, but no
height adjustments. Then tried Graph Tech....those
made my Jazzmasters sound more like Strats. Then on
one of my quests, I hoofed it downstairs, fired up the
lathe and went to work....Made a set from
teflon...dull, real dull. made a set from
aluminum...better, then machined a set from
brass...(my personal fave) and then stainless
steel...(great but way too much effort)....I settled
on gauged saddles similar to Mustang ones, machined
using free machining brass with stainless steel
adjusting screws for height, secured with low grade
locktite.....they rock......eddie k
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> Yeah, I would bet that saddle material would have
> some effect on tone. The softer the material, the
> duller the sound.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Casey Cash
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:50 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson
> Signature Model complex pickups
>
>
> Thought I'd pass on my limited experience with
> tremblocks, bridge, and
> saddles. Bought a '74 Stratocaster years ago,
> someone had put a brass
> bridge assembly on it, which sounded terrible to
> me. Bought a fender
> "Vintage" assembly sometime in the '80's and
> installed and it sounded
> fine. Recently tried a complete Callaham assembly
> (block, bridge,
> saddles) in its place. The saddles and bridge were
> nickel instead of
> steel. The result was a definite loss of treble
> and "bite"; the guitar
> still sounded good - smoother than before, but
> just seemd to have lost
> something. I ended up testing the Callaham
> components one at a time as
> a substitution for the fender stuff, and came to
> the conclusion that
> it was primarily the nickel saddles and bridge
> that took took out the
> "bite" that I missed. Put the "Vintage" fender
> back in.
> Casey
>
> --- In , "Marty
> Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> > An "upgrade in metallurgy" of the tremblock will
> do absolutely
> nothing, IMHO. Some folks claim to hear a
> difference in tremblocks, My
> ears don't hear it. I did the change to the
> Callaham strictly because
> a vintage reissue advertised as exact to the last
> detail shouldn't
> have a modern trem block. E.J. claims to hear the
> difference. He also
> claims to hear a difference in different brands of
> batteries that he
> puts in his effects pedals.
> > -Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Harry G. Pellegrin
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric
> Johnson Signature
> Model complex pickups
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade
> in metallurgy would
> do for a
> > tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I
> have seven strats and
> hate to
> > think what Callahamizing the stable would
> entail.
> >
> > Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my
> Jazzmaster!
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Be wary of those aftermarket Mustang saddles guys. I bought an All-
Parts set off eBay for my Jag and they did not have the correct width
for my AV Jag (I think they were sized for Japanese RI Mustangs). As a
result, there were gaps between them, and they wiggled around during
hard playing. Graph-Tec saddles are the same way. I emailed them and
complained and basically got a "so-what" response.
I ended up getting some vintage USA Mustang saddles. Those did the
trick.
A long time ago I believe Dano from The Nebulas posted a report on
those height adjustable Mustang saddles from Warmoth. He didn't like
them too well as I recall. I'll search for that when I get home
tonight.
BN
I complained to graph tech also and they thumbed their noses at me too....If you
are pretty much happy with the american saddles, great! Should you need to
tweak the height of one or more let me know, I can add adjusting screws to a
saddle in a heart beat....Another old Eddie Katcher Jazzmaster trick is to pour
liquid epoxy in the bridge tray AFTER you are sure the intonation and height are
where you want them....boy will that make it solid!!! should you then have to
change it, you can put the bridge in the oven at 250 degrees and the epoxy gets
soft again....kind of a mess in the springs though, I then learned to set em up
w/o the springs after that first fiasco. sometimes not too bright Eddie K
Brian Neal <> wrote:Be wary of those aftermarket Mustang saddles
guys. I bought an All-
Parts set off eBay for my Jag and they did not have the correct width
for my AV Jag (I think they were sized for Japanese RI Mustangs). As a
result, there were gaps between them, and they wiggled around during
hard playing. Graph-Tec saddles are the same way. I emailed them and
complained and basically got a "so-what" response.
I ended up getting some vintage USA Mustang saddles. Those did the
trick.
A long time ago I believe Dano from The Nebulas posted a report on
those height adjustable Mustang saddles from Warmoth. He didn't like
them too well as I recall. I'll search for that when I get home
tonight.
BN
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Eddie,
Nice trick with that epoxy, especially since it's
reversible. <g>
About GraphTech......
I have dealt with them on similar parts for a couple of
years now, and have never had an issue, either in the
part spec, or in any service I've requested. I'd
recommend that in the future, if anyone does have an
issue, they should email the Prez directly at:
dave at graphtech dot com.
Although Dave and I have never met, I have met a few
times with their Chief Engineer, Lea Rawlings. He
told me that "we didn't try to make a saddle for
absolutely every model ever built" by each and every
manufacturer. Can't blame them for that.
All of which points to the fact that they used a MIJ
Jaguar to make their measurements for those saddles
that you got - they just didn't think to check to see
if there'd be any great discrepancy between those and
the original spec.
But, for at least the last 2 1/2 years I've been
dealing with them, they've had their warranty posted
on their site, which looks like this:
~~~~~~~~~~
The Graph Tech Iron-Clad Guarantee
You must be satisfied. When you purchase a product
from Graph Tech it comes with a full 45-day Money-Back
Guarantee. If, for any reason, you are not completely
satisfied, you may return your purchase, in good condition,
within 45 days for a complete refund of your purchase price.
Shipping charges, if applicable, are not included.
~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not asking you or anyone else to open up old wounds
here, I'm just pointing out that things are not always
as they seem. This is just a different opinion about
a company that makes guitar parts, that's all. <g>
unlunf
--- In , John McCorvey <eddiekatcher@y...> wrote:
>
> I complained to graph tech also and they thumbed their
> noses at me too....If you are pretty much happy with the
> american saddles, great! Should you need to tweak the
> height of one or more let me know, I can add adjusting
> screws to a saddle in a heart beat....Another old Eddie
> Katcher Jazzmaster trick is to pour liquid epoxy in the
> bridge tray AFTER you are sure the intonation and height
> are where you want them....boy will that make it solid!!!
> should you then have to change it, you can put the bridge
> in the oven at 250 degrees and the epoxy gets soft again,
> kind of a mess in the springs though, I then learned to
> set em up w/o the springs after that first fiasco.
> Sometimes not too bright Eddie K
>
On 11/7/05, unlunf <> wrote:
>
> About GraphTech......
>
> I have dealt with them on similar parts for a couple of
> years now, and have never had an issue, either in the
> part spec, or in any service I've requested. I'd
> recommend that in the future, if anyone does have an
> issue, they should email the Prez directly at:
> dave at graphtech dot com.
>
> Although Dave and I have never met, I have met a few
> times with their Chief Engineer, Lea Rawlings. He
> told me that "we didn't try to make a saddle for
> absolutely every model ever built" by each and every
> manufacturer. Can't blame them for that.
>
> All of which points to the fact that they used a MIJ
> Jaguar to make their measurements for those saddles
> that you got - they just didn't think to check to see
> if there'd be any great discrepancy between those and
> the original spec.
>
[snip]
>
> I'm not asking you or anyone else to open up old wounds
> here, I'm just pointing out that things are not always
> as they seem. This is just a different opinion about
> a company that makes guitar parts, that's all. <g>
>
unlunf,
After getting the wrong saddles off of E-bay I went searching for
alternatives. I emailed Graph Tech and asked them if their saddles
would fit an AV RI Jag. I was in a conversation with Dave, the
president. It went something like this:
Q: If I use your saddles on my AV RI Jag, will there be gaps between them?
A: Yes
Q: Do you intend on making saddles for vintage American and RI
American Jazzmaster/Jaguars?
A: No.
That's great you've had good dealings with them. But they were clearly
not interested with helping me out at the time. Maybe if more people
emailed them they would change their minds.
BN
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> A long time ago I believe Dano from The Nebulas posted a report on
> those height adjustable Mustang saddles from Warmoth. He didn't like
> them too well as I recall. I'll search for that when I get home
> tonight.
>
> BN
>
Messages 6426 and 6472 have some comments from Dano on the Warmoth bridge.
BN
Personally, I just mentioned the Warmoth modified mustang bridge for the benefit
of those who think they need individual saddle height adjustment. My R/I
Jazzmasters have the original vintage neck radius, and the stock un-modified
mustang bridge was designed specifically for that exact radius, so, unless you
are "over-the-top ANAL" about individual string height, the lack of individual
saddle adjustment on a mustang bridge, mounted to a vintage-spec Jag or
Jazzmaster, should be a non-issue. The main improvement with the mustang bridge
is less string-hop, and a beefier saddle for each string, and I've never felt
the need for inidividual saddle adjustment. :)
Bruce D
Brian Neal <> wrote:
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> A long time ago I believe Dano from The Nebulas posted a report on
> those height adjustable Mustang saddles from Warmoth. He didn't like
> them too well as I recall. I'll search for that when I get home
> tonight.
>
> BN
>
Messages 6426 and 6472 have some comments from Dano on the Warmoth bridge.
BN
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I"m pretty anal about guitar set up....I don't play
that well, but I can set up a Jazzmaster with the best
of them......I have played them continuously since
1965. I just this weekend bought another one....I'm
sick....I couldn't pass it up....It is an EXCEPTIONAL
MIJ. a real early sunburst one with THE neck!!! Some
dummy put SD reissue pickups in it and never figured
out that the rhythm PU was out of phase. And yeah I
have brass bar stock in the lathe......Let you know
how this project turns out....It is one light
guitar!!! ed
--- bruce duncan <> wrote:
> Personally, I just mentioned the Warmoth modified
> mustang bridge for the benefit of those who think
> they need individual saddle height adjustment. My
> R/I Jazzmasters have the original vintage neck
> radius, and the stock un-modified mustang bridge was
> designed specifically for that exact radius, so,
> unless you are "over-the-top ANAL" about individual
> string height, the lack of individual saddle
> adjustment on a mustang bridge, mounted to a
> vintage-spec Jag or Jazzmaster, should be a
> non-issue. The main improvement with the mustang
> bridge is less string-hop, and a beefier saddle for
> each string, and I've never felt the need for
> inidividual saddle adjustment. :)
>
> Bruce D
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> Brian Neal <> wrote:
> --- In , "Brian Neal"
> <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > A long time ago I believe Dano from The Nebulas
> posted a report on
> > those height adjustable Mustang saddles from
> Warmoth. He didn't like
> > them too well as I recall. I'll search for that
> when I get home
> > tonight.
> >
> > BN
> >
>
> Messages 6426 and 6472 have some comments from Dano
> on the Warmoth bridge.
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--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> Personally, I just mentioned the Warmoth modified mustang bridge for
the benefit of those who think they need individual saddle height
adjustment. My R/I Jazzmasters have the original vintage neck radius,
and the stock un-modified mustang bridge was designed specifically for
that exact radius, so, unless you are "over-the-top ANAL" about
individual string height, the lack of individual saddle adjustment on
a mustang bridge, mounted to a vintage-spec Jag or Jazzmaster, should
be a non-issue. The main improvement with the mustang bridge is less
string-hop, and a beefier saddle for each string, and I've never felt
the need for inidividual saddle adjustment. :)
Bruce...I agree with you. I thought I would miss the individual string
height adjustments, but it's a non-issue. The Mustang saddles are more
beefier than the stock ones...they feel and sound more solid to me.
BN
Brian,
You're correct, GraphTech is just like any other company,
if they hear enough squeaking from the wheels, they'll
start applying the grease. <g>
Seems to me that your problem with GraphTech is more on
the order of 'lack of customer friendliness' than lack of
desired product. Hell, from your conversation snippet,
even I thought Dave was a bit too terse. <g> But can
you blame him when he's been upfront on what he has and
does not have? And they are a small outfit, very small.
I've been there, and I don't think they've got enough
room for what they do stock, let alone everything else
they should carry. The place is crammed to the rafters
with parts bins everywhere..... a veritable claustro-
phobe's nightmare. <lol>
Again, not trying to sell anyone on these guys - I don't
work for 'em, I just like their products, that's all. <g>
unlunf
--- In , Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> unlunf,
>
> After getting the wrong saddles off of E-bay I went searching for
> alternatives. I emailed Graph Tech and asked them if their saddles
> would fit an AV RI Jag. I was in a conversation with Dave, the
> president. It went something like this:
>
> Q: If I use your saddles on my AV RI Jag, will there be gaps
> between them?
> A: Yes
>
> Q: Do you intend on making saddles for vintage American and RI
> American Jazzmaster/Jaguars?
> A: No.
>
> That's great you've had good dealings with them. But they were
> clearly not interested with helping me out at the time. Maybe
> if more people emailed them they would change their minds.
>
> BN
>
