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Re: [SurfGuitar101] Fender's Eric Johnson Signature Model complex pickups

John McCorvey (eddiekatcher) - 05 Nov 2005 20:00:18

I heard someone say that each string has and
individual winding on the EJ Strat, but that sounds
more like the way Mosrite built pickups than
Fender.....anybody know?
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> Congrats on the new guitar, Bob. A Strat in '54 was
> somewheres around 265- which is between 1500 and
> 1600 in today's money. For that reason, I think the
> EJ strat is not overpriced and those details are
> nice, especially the light weight. I have a '54
> Masterbuilt from last year that is also very light
> weight and next to the fat neck, it is my favorite
> feature.
>
> I don't know what you mean when describe the
> pick-ups as complex. How does one tell the
> difference between a complex pick-up and a
> non-complex pick-up?
>
> -Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Steingraber
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:38 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Fender's Eric Johnson
> Signature Model
>
>
> Has anybody out there played Fender's Eric Johnson
> signature model? I
> gotta tell you, I am absolutely blown away! It's
> relatively expensive
> @ about $1600.00, but in my opinion is well worth
> it. The tone of
> this guitar is phenominal. Acoustically, it is the
> loudest solid body
> electric guitar, I've ever heard. Plugged
> in......holy guacamole!!!!
> You hit a note or a chord on this thing and it
> just resonates, swells
> and sustains like you wouldn't believe. This strat
> sings like no
> other that I've ever played. The carefully chosen
> wood, thin nitro-
> cellulose lacquer finish, one piece quartersawn
> neck, the thin
> further-back headstock, staggered tuners,
> elimination of string
> trees, shallow pickup cavities, higher-mass
> tremolo block, and
> specially made pickups really make a H-U-G-E
> difference in tone. The
> guitar weighs in at only about 61/2 lbs!!!! The
> neck pickup is like
> a '54, the middle pickup is reverse wound and like
> an early 60's
> pickup, and the neck pickup like an overwound 50's
> pickup. These
> pickups are well balanced, complex, as quiet as
> you could reasonably
> expect from single coils, and are, in my opinion,
> everything they
> should be. The 5-spring tremolo is pretty stiff,
> but with the
> modified headstock and lack of string-trees,
> REALLY stays in tune. In
> fact I caught Eric @ The Independent Club in S.F.
> on Sunday night,
> and he played the sh*t out of this guitar all
> night, only taking it
> off to tune up during the bass and drum solos. He
> played one (!!!)
> Red signature model for the entire 2 hour show.
> How many endorsees
> don't even use their own signature model or
> products they endorse???
> Eric obviously believes in this model. Kudos to
> Eric, Michael Frank-
> Braun, and everyone else involved in designing and
> building these
> wonderful instruments.(Dave Wronski, were you
> involved in building
> any of these babies???) I'm sure there are the
> guys out there saying
> that it isn't worth 8 times the cost of a Squier
> strat, 5 times the
> cost of a standard, or twice the cost of an
> American strat, but I beg
> to differ. It really hurt to fork over $1600.00+,
> but I bought a
> sunburst one, and it's the best money I ever
> spent! Now if my fingers
> would just stop bleeding.....
> Bob S.
>
>
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unlunf - 05 Nov 2005 20:51:07

John,
I should think that if Fender were making pickups
like you describe, they'd be bragging from the
roof tops. I don't see anything on their site
that leads me to believe that this is the case.
In fact, this is the first time I've ever heard
of Mosrite winding a pickup with single string
bobbins. Got any supporting documentation on
that one?
unlunf
--- In , John McCorvey <eddiekatcher@y...> wrote:
>
> I heard someone say that each string has and
> individual winding on the EJ Strat, but that sounds
> more like the way Mosrite built pickups than
> Fender.....anybody know?
>

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Harry G. Pellegrin (harrygpellegrin2003) - 05 Nov 2005 21:23:17

Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade in metallurgy would do for a
tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I have seven strats and hate to
think what Callahamizing the stable would entail.
Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my Jazzmaster!
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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 05 Nov 2005 21:48:06

An "upgrade in metallurgy" of the tremblock will do absolutely nothing, IMHO.
Some folks claim to hear a difference in tremblocks, My ears don't hear it. I
did the change to the Callaham strictly because a vintage reissue advertised as
exact to the last detail shouldn't have a modern trem block. E.J. claims to hear
the difference. He also claims to hear a difference in different brands of
batteries that he puts in his effects pedals.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry G. Pellegrin
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson Signature Model complex
pickups
Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade in metallurgy would do for a
tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I have seven strats and hate to
think what Callahamizing the stable would entail.
Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my Jazzmaster!
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Bob Steingraber (bobsteingraber) - 05 Nov 2005 22:26:38

Harry,
I haven't used them, but I've heard raves about Michael De Temple's
titanium trem blocks. It costs $225.00, and weighs about 45% less
than a standard trem block. Take a look at www.detempleguitars.com
for info. He's in Van Nuys (Southern California). I think he used
to work for Fender. Guys like Carl Verheyen and Dean Parks (L.A.
studio pros) rave about his guitars.
Bob
--- In , "Harry G. Pellegrin"
<sportbike@m...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade in metallurgy would do
for a
> tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I have seven strats and
hate to
> think what Callahamizing the stable would entail.
>
> Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my Jazzmaster!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Casey Cash (surfgitar) - 05 Nov 2005 23:50:13

Thought I'd pass on my limited experience with tremblocks, bridge, and
saddles. Bought a '74 Stratocaster years ago, someone had put a brass
bridge assembly on it, which sounded terrible to me. Bought a fender
"Vintage" assembly sometime in the '80's and installed and it sounded
fine. Recently tried a complete Callaham assembly (block, bridge,
saddles) in its place. The saddles and bridge were nickel instead of
steel. The result was a definite loss of treble and "bite"; the guitar
still sounded good - smoother than before, but just seemd to have lost
something. I ended up testing the Callaham components one at a time as
a substitution for the fender stuff, and came to the conclusion that
it was primarily the nickel saddles and bridge that took took out the
"bite" that I missed. Put the "Vintage" fender back in.
Casey
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
>
> An "upgrade in metallurgy" of the tremblock will do absolutely
nothing, IMHO. Some folks claim to hear a difference in tremblocks, My
ears don't hear it. I did the change to the Callaham strictly because
a vintage reissue advertised as exact to the last detail shouldn't
have a modern trem block. E.J. claims to hear the difference. He also
claims to hear a difference in different brands of batteries that he
puts in his effects pedals.
> -Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry G. Pellegrin
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson Signature
Model complex pickups
>
>
> Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade in metallurgy would
do for a
> tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I have seven strats and
hate to
> think what Callahamizing the stable would entail.
>
> Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my Jazzmaster!
>
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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 06 Nov 2005 00:07:25

Wow 225- for a trem block! I do like the idea that it is so light weight but
$225-! Every other claim DeTemple makes about his titanium trem blocks are
either subjective or completely meaningless (see below). "Chording intervals
more defined"..."Increased touch sensitivity", oh brother! My harmonic overtones
are not apparent enough, I'd better get that 225- trem block. Of course Callaham
is no better with claims made about his trem block.
-Marty
a.. Trims over a quarter pound* off your guitar's weight.
a.. Makes your guitar's harmonic overtones more apparent.
a.. When chording, the intervals are more defined.
a.. Increased touch sensitivity.
a.. Can make strings feel one gauge lighter (e.g. 11s feel like 10s -- 10s feel
like 9s. Heavier strings mean stronger signal from your pickups)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Steingraber
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:26 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson Signature Model complex
pickups
Harry,
I haven't used them, but I've heard raves about Michael De Temple's
titanium trem blocks. It costs $225.00, and weighs about 45% less
than a standard trem block. Take a look at www.detempleguitars.com
for info. He's in Van Nuys (Southern California). I think he used
to work for Fender. Guys like Carl Verheyen and Dean Parks (L.A.
studio pros) rave about his guitars.
Bob
--- In , "Harry G. Pellegrin"
<sportbike@m...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade in metallurgy would do
for a
> tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I have seven strats and
hate to
> think what Callahamizing the stable would entail.
>
> Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my Jazzmaster!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 06 Nov 2005 01:28:34

Yeah, I would bet that saddle material would have some effect on tone. The
softer the material, the duller the sound.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Casey Cash
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:50 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson Signature Model complex
pickups
Thought I'd pass on my limited experience with tremblocks, bridge, and
saddles. Bought a '74 Stratocaster years ago, someone had put a brass
bridge assembly on it, which sounded terrible to me. Bought a fender
"Vintage" assembly sometime in the '80's and installed and it sounded
fine. Recently tried a complete Callaham assembly (block, bridge,
saddles) in its place. The saddles and bridge were nickel instead of
steel. The result was a definite loss of treble and "bite"; the guitar
still sounded good - smoother than before, but just seemd to have lost
something. I ended up testing the Callaham components one at a time as
a substitution for the fender stuff, and came to the conclusion that
it was primarily the nickel saddles and bridge that took took out the
"bite" that I missed. Put the "Vintage" fender back in.
Casey
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
>
> An "upgrade in metallurgy" of the tremblock will do absolutely
nothing, IMHO. Some folks claim to hear a difference in tremblocks, My
ears don't hear it. I did the change to the Callaham strictly because
a vintage reissue advertised as exact to the last detail shouldn't
have a modern trem block. E.J. claims to hear the difference. He also
claims to hear a difference in different brands of batteries that he
puts in his effects pedals.
> -Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry G. Pellegrin
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson Signature
Model complex pickups
>
>
> Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade in metallurgy would
do for a
> tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I have seven strats and
hate to
> think what Callahamizing the stable would entail.
>
> Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my Jazzmaster!
>
>
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Harry G. Pellegrin (harrygpellegrin2003) - 06 Nov 2005 11:47:23

Phew, the price might scare me off... Will check out the site.
Thankee
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Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:27 PM
To:
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson Signature Model complex
pickups
Harry,
I haven't used them, but I've heard raves about Michael De Temple's
titanium trem blocks. It costs $225.00, and weighs about 45% less
than a standard trem block. Take a look at www.detempleguitars.com
for info. He's in Van Nuys (Southern California). I think he used
to work for Fender. Guys like Carl Verheyen and Dean Parks (L.A.
studio pros) rave about his guitars.
Bob
--- In , "Harry G. Pellegrin"
<sportbike@m...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade in metallurgy would do
for a
> tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I have seven strats and
hate to
> think what Callahamizing the stable would entail.
>
> Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my Jazzmaster!
>
>
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Jeff (bigtikidude) - 07 Nov 2005 17:54:19

Ah but did you and EJ do the infamous A-B tests????
that is the true question here. ha ha ha LOL!!!
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> An "upgrade in metallurgy" of the tremblock will do absolutely
nothing, IMHO. Some folks claim to hear a difference in tremblocks,
My ears don't hear it. I did the change to the Callaham strictly
because a vintage reissue advertised as exact to the last detail
shouldn't have a modern trem block. E.J. claims to hear the
difference. He also claims to hear a difference in different brands
of batteries that he puts in his effects pedals.
> -Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry G. Pellegrin
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson Signature
Model complex pickups
>
>
> Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade in metallurgy would
do for a
> tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I have seven strats
and hate to
> think what Callahamizing the stable would entail.
>
> Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my Jazzmaster!
>
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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 07 Nov 2005 21:48:37

No, I didn't do a proper A/B test with the different trem blocks. The subtle
improvements claimed by the mfg, in particular incresed sustain, would best be
studied in a lab with an oscilloscope and a mechanical picking device that would
give consistant attack to the string. Trying to do conduct that test on my own
with all my human variables would not lead to a reliable conclusion. The mfg
takes advantage of that when they make the anecdotal claims.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To:
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:54 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson Signature Model complex
pickups
Ah but did you and EJ do the infamous A-B tests????
that is the true question here. ha ha ha LOL!!!
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> An "upgrade in metallurgy" of the tremblock will do absolutely
nothing, IMHO. Some folks claim to hear a difference in tremblocks,
My ears don't hear it. I did the change to the Callaham strictly
because a vintage reissue advertised as exact to the last detail
shouldn't have a modern trem block. E.J. claims to hear the
difference. He also claims to hear a difference in different brands
of batteries that he puts in his effects pedals.
> -Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry G. Pellegrin
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender's Eric Johnson Signature
Model complex pickups
>
>
> Yeah, I have always wondered what an upgrade in metallurgy would
do for a
> tremolo block. Please guys, tell all!!!! I have seven strats
and hate to
> think what Callahamizing the stable would entail.
>
> Maybe I'll retire a few and stick to my Jazzmaster!
>
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