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Jacob, very funny! i'll take you up on the wave - stuff, different
angle this time.
quite often, in art, descriptions of a period go hand in hand with a
description of style, think of terms like neoclassicism, romanticism,
baroque, art nouveau, art deco, etc...
linking periods and styles implies two things: you have transition
periods where styles flow into eachother, and you can have examples
of a style being so early that they fall into an other style's
period. Chicago Architect Frank Loydd Wright (sp?) comes to mind. Van
Gogh has made some paintings ahead of his time (not all though)
So, the big question, if Surf is Grand Art (and it is!) - are the
waves in surf not just periods, but also linkable to different
styles?
If so, what are the defining characteristics of the waves? examples?
I btw don't see a reason to exchange changes that came about through
advanced technology - after all, in all arts changes came about
through development of technology.
anyway, we could ask questions like:
is this perhaps the 4th wave - although coming straight from the 3th,
because the styles are differnet?
If the early sixties are classic, than is this wave a neo-classisist
wave?
Are the reluctant aquanauts neoclassic? are at the same time the
surfaris classic?
Is Pollo del Mar an impressionist surfband?
Is Dick Dale's problem that he's stuck between two waves?
or - is it all just surf and let's leave it at that?
WR
This is why people get stuck - exactly why - because while one is
arguing date spans (periods), the other is arguing style (isms).
My personal view is that periods is only a backdrop. Style is
definitional, and makes more sense as a grouping.
If we go down the style path, then gross generalizations like "the
early sixties are classic" don't work for style, only for period. In
the early sixties, the music was in rapid evolution, had various
splinter sounds, and was practiced differently by different groups of
artists. Sometimes, regional differences were most obvious (South Bay
vs. Orange County).
It is for this reason that I don't see a 4th wave per say, except in
the second batallion of 3rd wave bands sense. beginning abut 1990,
there was an explosion of re-evolutionary bands (some had gone before).
Pollo Del Mar is one of those, along with the Mermen. Most of the
current bands that are not traditional, are in the third wave envelope.
Most that are traditional are in the second wave envelope.
In terms of the writing, it's also quite different, and not necessarily
in sync with sound differences.
Phil
--- mono_tones_1 <> wrote:
> Jacob, very funny! i'll take you up on the wave - stuff, different
> angle this time.
>
> quite often, in art, descriptions of a period go hand in hand with a
> description of style, think of terms like neoclassicism, romanticism,
>
> baroque, art nouveau, art deco, etc...
> linking periods and styles implies two things: you have transition
> periods where styles flow into eachother, and you can have examples
> of a style being so early that they fall into an other style's
> period. Chicago Architect Frank Loydd Wright (sp?) comes to mind. Van
>
> Gogh has made some paintings ahead of his time (not all though)
>
> So, the big question, if Surf is Grand Art (and it is!) - are the
> waves in surf not just periods, but also linkable to different
> styles?
> If so, what are the defining characteristics of the waves? examples?
> I btw don't see a reason to exchange changes that came about through
> advanced technology - after all, in all arts changes came about
> through development of technology.
>
> anyway, we could ask questions like:
> is this perhaps the 4th wave - although coming straight from the 3th,
>
> because the styles are differnet?
> If the early sixties are classic, than is this wave a neo-classisist
> wave?
> Are the reluctant aquanauts neoclassic? are at the same time the
> surfaris classic?
> Is Pollo del Mar an impressionist surfband?
> Is Dick Dale's problem that he's stuck between two waves?
>
> or - is it all just surf and let's leave it at that?
>
> WR
