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We agreed to let an Indy indie webzine Jake Magazine use two tracks
(Cordoba and Burning Mirage) from our upcoming album for their October
issue. So, if you want to hear what the CD, tentatively
titled "Sandstorm!", will sound like, check out the songs here:
Hope you like 'em!
Ivan
The Madeira
Well that really made my day. Cordoba sounds great and that harmonic
at the end is killer. That was always my favorite part of that song.
The Burning Mirage intro is really cool and the tone of the rhythm
guitar is really sweet. Really wet. And Ivan yet again makes the Strat
manage to not sound cheesy. When I play a Strat I just get a terrible
cheesy sound. Ivan, what make and model of acoustic guitar do you
play. Or is it Patrick? My money is on you.
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> We agreed to let an Indy indie webzine Jake Magazine use two tracks
> (Cordoba and Burning Mirage) from our upcoming album for their October
> issue. So, if you want to hear what the CD, tentatively
> titled "Sandstorm!", will sound like, check out the songs here:
>
>
> Hope you like 'em!
>
> Ivan
> The Madeira
>
Something better I want to know. How did you record that acoutsic
guitar? What microphone or combination of mics. Electric pickup, other
type of pick up. The more I listen the more I appreciate the
precussive properties of the acoustic. Is it more your playing that
gets that or is the mics just picking up more than is normally heard?
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> We agreed to let an Indy indie webzine Jake Magazine use two tracks
> (Cordoba and Burning Mirage) from our upcoming album for their October
> issue. So, if you want to hear what the CD, tentatively
> titled "Sandstorm!", will sound like, check out the songs here:
>
>
> Hope you like 'em!
>
> Ivan
> The Madeira
>
ipongrac <> wrote:
We agreed to let an Indy indie webzine Jake Magazine use two tracks
(Cordoba and Burning Mirage) from our upcoming album for their October
issue. So, if you want to hear what the CD, tentatively
titled "Sandstorm!", will sound like, check out the songs here:
Hope you like 'em!
Ivan
The Madeira
Ivan,
Wow!! The musicianship and songcraft are awesome! If these two songs are any
indication, it looks definitely like The Madeira will prove a worthy successor
to The Space Cossacks!
"There's no such thing as too much reverb"
Bruce D
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I agree they are for sure a worthy successor to the Space Cossacks. I
dont' know what you think Bruce but do you think The Madeira is more
stripped down? I haven't heard the entire album yet but I remember the
Cossacks, and especially the Tsar Wars album, as being an amazing work
of production and multi tracking guitars and running the tape
backwards. I loved that but I am loving the Madiera. It really sounds
more traditional to me and I really feel as if it sounds truly
traditional like they could have been out of the '60s and been 100%
original. We would speak of them in the like of Dick Dale and the
Atlantics. That is the combination I think of when I listen to those
guys. Ivan is great and Patrick kills on rhythm. Ivan is lucky to have
had Mark and Patrick. I can't get enough of those guys.
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> Wow!! The musicianship and songcraft are awesome! If these two
songs are any indication, it looks definitely like The Madeira will
prove a worthy successor to The Space Cossacks!
>
>
>
Great tunes,great band,great performance.Yea. Miller
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> We agreed to let an Indy indie webzine Jake Magazine use two tracks
> (Cordoba and Burning Mirage) from our upcoming album for their October
> issue. So, if you want to hear what the CD, tentatively
> titled "Sandstorm!", will sound like, check out the songs here:
>
>
> Hope you like 'em!
>
> Ivan
> The Madeira
>
Thanks to everybody for the kind comments, and especially Jacob -
we're very glad you're liking these two songs!
Jacob, I used a "Valencia, Spain"-made Angel Rosados classical (nylon-
string) guitar on the intro to Burning Mirage. I played it with a
pick to get a bit more of a middle-eastern, oud-like sound. I also
tried to get a bit of a 'deadness' to the notes, rather than full
classical guitar 'bloom', sustain and tone, again to emulate the oud a
bit more. That's probably why it sounds a bit more percussive.
see more below...
--- "Jacob Dobner" <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
> Something better I want to know. How did you record that acoutsic
> guitar? What microphone or combination of mics. Electric pickup,
> other type of pick up.
As far as I can remember, it was just one mic (though I have no idea
which one) placed about a foot or less in front of the soundhole/end
of the neck.
> The more I listen the more I appreciate the
> precussive properties of the acoustic. Is it more your playing that
> gets that or is the mics just picking up more than is normally heard?
Probably a bit of both.
I used this classical on four songs for the CD, but only two will
actually end up on the CD (the other two will be on the covers EP
that'll come out next year - one of them is the intro to Intruder,
which Patrick and I both did on acoustics, as it was done originally
by the Surf Coasters).
You're right that there is less experimental production elements with
this album compared to Tsar Wars. Partly, that was intentional -
didn't want to repeat myself and I didn't think these songs called for
it; but also partly it was dictated by the situation - we had to work
fast, and we ended up recording the whole CD in one day, with a couple
of hours the day before, and a couple of hours the day after. Given
that we recorded 17 tracks, I think we worked pretty darn fast! So,
it didn't allow as much experimentation. That was OK, except that I
would have liked to incorporate the acoustic guitar into our songs a
bit more. I really like the way it sounds combined with a reverbated
electric. Check out also the Madeira's version of Young Frankenstein
(Reprise) on MuSick's Monster Party 2000 CD (just in time for
Halloween!) to see what I'm talking about.
Thanks again!
Ivan
All of the nylon guitar talk sounds quite logical now. It really
doesn't get that boom you speak of. My guitar with nylon strings cost
me $5. It is an awesome guitar though.
And I was confused for a second with the below comment. Monster Party
2000? I thought you meant the Cossacks until I thought it was
something MuSick would do.
Check out also the Madeira's version of Young Frankenstein
> (Reprise) on MuSick's Monster Party 2000 CD (just in time for
> Halloween!) to see what I'm talking about.
>
> Thanks again!
> Ivan
>
--- In , "Jacob Dobner"
<jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> And I was confused for a second with the below comment. Monster Party
> 2000? I thought you meant the Cossacks until I thought it was
> something MuSick would do.
Jacob, "Monster Party 2000" CD, released by MuSick, has two tracks
credited to the Madeira. I was living in Indianapolis at that point,
and had already started up the Troubadours. The Troubadours' drummer,
Dane Carter, is also the drummer for the Madeira. Already at that
point I was planning on starting another surf band, and I had come up
with the name, so when Art B. of MuSick wanted me to cover the Young
Frankenstein Theme, I asked Dane to do it with me, and we credited it
to the Madeira. (Catherine Gray of the Space Cossacks overdubbed bass
on it later, and I did all the guitar parts.) Anyway, we ended up
doing two versions, one a faster surf version, and one a slower
version more faithful to the original song, with a lot of nylon-string
guitar. That's what I was talking about. The Cossacks also have a
song on there - and in fact, it's a song that we retitled and
rerecorded for the Madeira CD. So, you can think of the Monster Party
CD as the roots of the Madeira.
Hope that explains it all.
Ivan
> Check out also the Madeira's version of Young Frankenstein
> > (Reprise) on MuSick's Monster Party 2000 CD (just in time for
> > Halloween!) to see what I'm talking about.
Hi Jacob,
You correctly note a difference between the elaborate studio creations of the
Cossacks, vs the more spare arrangements recorded by The Madeira.
There are different schools of thought on this, and I've had this debate with
other band members numerous times.
As much as I love the old Cossacks' recordings, they did have what you refer to,
and as cool as effects and reverse-tracking and the like, these are things
mainly only possible in the studio, and it's always been my aim for our band to
be able to perform the songs from our CD's as well or better when we play out
live. This can't always be, sad to say!
To give you a perfect example, when we recorded our CD's our band was a 5-piece,
configured like The Astronauts. Shortly after completing the master recording
for CD #2, our 3d guitarist started getting very busy with high-paid gigs in a
Beatles tribute band, and since he is a full-time musician, we really had to
agree that he was doing the right thing in leaving Longboard Ranch. We now have
a replacement 3rd guitarist busily learning our material, and what he's supposed
to play in our song arrangements, but for the past year, we've effectively been
a 4-piece band.
At recent shows, long-time fans of the band have told us that they wish we'd do
more songs with the full 5-piece sound that we used on the CD's. To me this
kinda drives home the point that it's best if a band wants a career performing
live as well as recording, to arrange and perform the songs on the recordings
such that the band can deliver at least that quality of arrangement and
performance to the live audience.
IMHO, The Madeira seems to be operating on a similar premise, which I think is a
good thing.
While their foundation is definitely trad-based, I hear a lot more going on than
was the case with First Gen surf bands back in the day. Ivan takes his lead
guitar in directions and to places that even Dick Dale and Jimmy Messina didn't
go, another good thing, since again IMHO that makes The Madeira's music new and
refreshing and a kick in the butt to listen to! And let's not forget that
absolutely killer rhythm section driving the songs! And Dane Carter on drums -
WOW!!
Bruce D
"There's no such thing as too much reverb"
Bruce D
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I don't know. I saw the Cossacks live and a lot of what you think may be guitar
overdubbing may not be. They were that good. Of course excluding the
backtracking and
special effects, but they were every bit as full and intense sounding live as
they are on the
recordings.
-Paul
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jacob,
>
> You correctly note a difference between the elaborate studio creations of the
Cossacks,
vs the more spare arrangements recorded by The Madeira.
>
> There are different schools of thought on this, and I've had this debate with
other band
members numerous times.
>
> As much as I love the old Cossacks' recordings, they did have what you refer
to, and as
cool as effects and reverse-tracking and the like, these are things mainly only
possible in
the studio, and it's always been my aim for our band to be able to perform the
songs from
our CD's as well or better when we play out live. This can't always be, sad to
say!
>
> To give you a perfect example, when we recorded our CD's our band was a
5-piece,
configured like The Astronauts. Shortly after completing the master recording
for CD #2,
our 3d guitarist started getting very busy with high-paid gigs in a Beatles
tribute band,
and since he is a full-time musician, we really had to agree that he was doing
the right
thing in leaving Longboard Ranch. We now have a replacement 3rd guitarist
busily
learning our material, and what he's supposed to play in our song arrangements,
but for
the past year, we've effectively been a 4-piece band.
>
> At recent shows, long-time fans of the band have told us that they wish we'd
do more
songs with the full 5-piece sound that we used on the CD's. To me this kinda
drives home
the point that it's best if a band wants a career performing live as well as
recording, to
arrange and perform the songs on the recordings such that the band can deliver
at least
that quality of arrangement and performance to the live audience.
>
> IMHO, The Madeira seems to be operating on a similar premise, which I think is
a good
thing.
> While their foundation is definitely trad-based, I hear a lot more going on
than was the
case with First Gen surf bands back in the day. Ivan takes his lead guitar in
directions and
to places that even Dick Dale and Jimmy Messina didn't go, another good thing,
since
again IMHO that makes The Madeira's music new and refreshing and a kick in the
butt to
listen to! And let's not forget that absolutely killer rhythm section driving
the songs! And
Dane Carter on drums - WOW!!
>
> Bruce D
>
>
>
>
> "There's no such thing as too much reverb"
> Bruce D
>
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