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Neal:
Have you considered the microphone? What kind of mic are
you using to capture the guitar sound? I use a Sure
SM57...not the most expensive or "best" mic ever
produced...but it does a decent job capturing good guitar
tone.
I place the mic off-axis about 3 inches away from one of my
12" speaker cones. Fender Bassman volume at about 4. Full
effects through the amp: reverb and tremelo. Sometimes I
add a second mic far away for an additional "ambient room"
track. I get additional "highs" and natural room
reverbration that way.
I believe the "mastering" step of the recording process is
crucial for decent digital sound. I find I have to adjust
the overall mix balance (EQ) and overall compression (ie:
'fake' tape compression) to get the final sound I am after.
The sound I am usually shooting for is "early 60s AM
radio/ 45 rpm" style sound...except I prefer a stereo final
mix to a mono final mix. Currently, I have been messing
around with a "surround" style mix...like the mixes found
on DVD surround sound...wacky stuff.
good luck,
-dp
--- "Neal S." <> wrote:
> alright thanks phil, so basically i should get 'the
> sound' before i record, and if i need compression, add
> it later if at all.
>
> even though i record up to about -3dB ( leaving some
> headroom for EQ and other FX ), my guitar still sounds
> like its being played in a tin can thats in a
> woodshed, 300 yards back. and thats before i add
> everything else, including other guitar parts and
> guitar overdubs.
>
> also im a digital recorder, with amp modelers (
> currently berhinger mixer through NI guitar rig ) (
> dont hate ! ) but i know ill never get the analogue
> sound, but ive heard a ton of digital recordings, and
> the guitars dont sound as far away as mine.
>
> phil have you ever done digital ? or strictly analogue
> ? any insight ?
>
>
>
> --- Phil Dirt <> wrote:
>
> > As a recording engineer and mixer, I strongly
> > suggest you NOT color the
> > source signal beyond your amp and reverb. It can't
> > be undone. Your
> > playing style (variations in attack relative to the
> > rest of the mix)
> > will determine whether compression adds to the mix
> > or not. IMHO, there
> > are no "pat" answers.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > --- "Neal S." <> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > i got a question for some of you surf guitarists,
> > who
> > have recorded.
> >
> > do you use compression? do you print with
> > compression,
> > or add it in the mix.
> >
> > what are your thresholds and ratios like ?
> >
> > very curious, and still trying to completly
> > understand
> > compression,
> >
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hey DP,
well i live in an apartment in new york, so i cant
really amp it up. WHich is why i go DI with amp
modelers. I use to use the POD, but well i think im
figuring out that i dont like it. Now i use a
behringer mixer straight to the PC, where i run NI
Guitar Rig.
on 'chandlier rock' for the comp, i used the POD,
actually as a 'tube pre amp' that ran into Guitar Rig.
That was the first week i had just got guitar rig, and
all my levels were way up accounting for the extra
muddiness. I didnt realize every liitle thing had its
own gain knob. But those guitars are pretty
characterisitc.
Im gonna try to post some reverberated riffs, and see
what people thing of the overall recording quality, to
see how it differs from what there use to hearing
from recorded guitars. Hopefully you can take a listen
to.
--- DP <> wrote:
> Neal:
>
> Have you considered the microphone? What kind of mic
> are
> you using to capture the guitar sound? I use a Sure
> SM57...not the most expensive or "best" mic ever
> produced...but it does a decent job capturing good
> guitar
> tone.
>
> I place the mic off-axis about 3 inches away from
> one of my
> 12" speaker cones. Fender Bassman volume at about 4.
> Full
> effects through the amp: reverb and tremelo.
> Sometimes I
> add a second mic far away for an additional "ambient
> room"
> track. I get additional "highs" and natural room
> reverbration that way.
>
> I believe the "mastering" step of the recording
> process is
> crucial for decent digital sound. I find I have to
> adjust
> the overall mix balance (EQ) and overall compression
> (ie:
> 'fake' tape compression) to get the final sound I am
> after.
> The sound I am usually shooting for is "early 60s
> AM
> radio/ 45 rpm" style sound...except I prefer a
> stereo final
> mix to a mono final mix. Currently, I have been
> messing
> around with a "surround" style mix...like the mixes
> found
> on DVD surround sound...wacky stuff.
>
>
> good luck,
> -dp
>
> --- "Neal S." <> wrote:
>
> > alright thanks phil, so basically i should get
> 'the
> > sound' before i record, and if i need compression,
> add
> > it later if at all.
> >
> > even though i record up to about -3dB ( leaving
> some
> > headroom for EQ and other FX ), my guitar still
> sounds
> > like its being played in a tin can thats in a
> > woodshed, 300 yards back. and thats before i add
> > everything else, including other guitar parts and
> > guitar overdubs.
> >
> > also im a digital recorder, with amp modelers (
> > currently berhinger mixer through NI guitar rig )
> (
> > dont hate ! ) but i know ill never get the
> analogue
> > sound, but ive heard a ton of digital recordings,
> and
> > the guitars dont sound as far away as mine.
> >
> > phil have you ever done digital ? or strictly
> analogue
> > ? any insight ?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Phil Dirt <> wrote:
> >
> > > As a recording engineer and mixer, I strongly
> > > suggest you NOT color the
> > > source signal beyond your amp and reverb. It
> can't
> > > be undone. Your
> > > playing style (variations in attack relative to
> the
> > > rest of the mix)
> > > will determine whether compression adds to the
> mix
> > > or not. IMHO, there
> > > are no "pat" answers.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > --- "Neal S." <> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > i got a question for some of you surf
> guitarists,
> > > who
> > > have recorded.
> > >
> > > do you use compression? do you print with
> > > compression,
> > > or add it in the mix.
> > >
> > > what are your thresholds and ratios like ?
> > >
> > > very curious, and still trying to completly
> > > understand
> > > compression,
> > >
> > >
> > > neal
> > >
> > >
> > > .
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Neal,
Try running your Pod into a tank reverb, then ito the
board
ferenc
--- "Neal S." <> wrote:
> well i live in an apartment in new york, so i cant
> really amp it up. WHich is why i go DI with amp
> modelers. I use to use the POD, but well i think im
> figuring out that i dont like it. Now i use a
> behringer mixer straight to the PC, where i run NI
> Guitar Rig.
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Neal:
I did "silent studio" for years with my Fostex
4-track...one caution, mind the headphone volume...it'll
kill the old eardrums, for sure.
In your situation, the mixdown and "mastering" phase of
your recording process will be crucial to achieving your
best sound.
best wishes,
-dp
ps: I will definately be interested in hearing your project
recordings...I love to hear the results of everyones trials
and tribulations when it comes to capturing the magic of
reverb.
--- "Neal S." <> wrote:
> hey DP,
>
> well i live in an apartment in new york, so i cant
> really amp it up. WHich is why i go DI with amp
> modelers. I use to use the POD, but well i think im
> figuring out that i dont like it. Now i use a
> behringer mixer straight to the PC, where i run NI
> Guitar Rig.
>
> on 'chandlier rock' for the comp, i used the POD,
> actually as a 'tube pre amp' that ran into Guitar Rig.
> That was the first week i had just got guitar rig, and
> all my levels were way up accounting for the extra
> muddiness. I didnt realize every liitle thing had its
> own gain knob. But those guitars are pretty
> characterisitc.
>
> Im gonna try to post some reverberated riffs, and see
> what people thing of the overall recording quality, to
> see how it differs from what there use to hearing
> from recorded guitars. Hopefully you can take a listen
> to.
>
>
>
> --- DP <> wrote:
>
> > Neal:
> >
> > Have you considered the microphone? What kind of mic
> > are
> > you using to capture the guitar sound? I use a Sure
> > SM57...not the most expensive or "best" mic ever
> > produced...but it does a decent job capturing good
> > guitar
> > tone.
> >
> > I place the mic off-axis about 3 inches away from
> > one of my
> > 12" speaker cones. Fender Bassman volume at about 4.
> > Full
> > effects through the amp: reverb and tremelo.
> > Sometimes I
> > add a second mic far away for an additional "ambient
> > room"
> > track. I get additional "highs" and natural room
> > reverbration that way.
> >
> > I believe the "mastering" step of the recording
> > process is
> > crucial for decent digital sound. I find I have to
> > adjust
> > the overall mix balance (EQ) and overall compression
> > (ie:
> > 'fake' tape compression) to get the final sound I am
> > after.
> > The sound I am usually shooting for is "early 60s
> > AM
> > radio/ 45 rpm" style sound...except I prefer a
> > stereo final
> > mix to a mono final mix. Currently, I have been
> > messing
> > around with a "surround" style mix...like the mixes
> > found
> > on DVD surround sound...wacky stuff.
> >
> >
> > good luck,
> > -dp
> >
> > --- "Neal S." <> wrote:
> >
> > > alright thanks phil, so basically i should get
> > 'the
> > > sound' before i record, and if i need compression,
> > add
> > > it later if at all.
> > >
> > > even though i record up to about -3dB ( leaving
> > some
> > > headroom for EQ and other FX ), my guitar still
> > sounds
> > > like its being played in a tin can thats in a
> > > woodshed, 300 yards back. and thats before i add
> > > everything else, including other guitar parts and
> > > guitar overdubs.
> > >
> > > also im a digital recorder, with amp modelers (
> > > currently berhinger mixer through NI guitar rig )
> > (
> > > dont hate ! ) but i know ill never get the
> > analogue
> > > sound, but ive heard a ton of digital recordings,
> > and
> > > the guitars dont sound as far away as mine.
> > >
> > > phil have you ever done digital ? or strictly
> > analogue
> > > ? any insight ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Phil Dirt <> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a recording engineer and mixer, I strongly
> > > > suggest you NOT color the
> > > > source signal beyond your amp and reverb. It
> > can't
> > > > be undone. Your
> > > > playing style (variations in attack relative to
> > the
> > > > rest of the mix)
> > > > will determine whether compression adds to the
> > mix
> > > > or not. IMHO, there
> > > > are no "pat" answers.
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > > --- "Neal S." <> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > i got a question for some of you surf
> > guitarists,
> > > > who
> > > > have recorded.
> > > >
> > > > do you use compression? do you print with
> > > > compression,
> > > > or add it in the mix.
> > > >
> > > > what are your thresholds and ratios like ?
> > > >
> > > > very curious, and still trying to completly
> > > > understand
> > > > compression,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > neal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > > Visit
> >
> > > > for archived
> > > > messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an
> > email
> > > > to:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
> > > > Yahoo! Terms of
> > > > Service.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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