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Phil:
so...a Fender Rhodes type electric piano (like Chantays
"Pipeline)...correct?
would Dave "Baby" Cortez (and his Wurlitzer Organ) be
considered proto-surf? Didn't he do "Peppermint Man" on a
Wurlitzer or a Hammond arround 1960 or so?
-dp
--- Phil Dirt <> wrote:
> Hmmm - if your doing traditional surf, electric piano was
> the keyboard
> of choice in surf, with very few exceptions. Farfisa is a
> post-surf
> development (maybe '66) if I recall corrfectly. Garage
> bands, not surf.
>
> Phil
>
> --- wrote:
> If I were to go looking for a vintage Farfisa organ to
> use in a surf
> band,
> what model would be best for that classic Farfisa sound?
> Do they all
> sound
> pretty much the same, or is there one particular
> year/model that is
> more
> desirable? Which model had the reversed color keys?
>
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Dave Cortez had nada to do with surf music. I also don't recall him
recording "Peppermint Man." That song was written for Dick Dale. Apart
from The Trashmen (and the Hot Doggers -- Melcher, Johnston studio project)
who did an instro version of it), I can't think of anyone else who may have
recorded the song at that time.
And, yes, Phil probably had the Rhodes in mind when he said (correctly)
that electric piano was much more common with surf bands in the sixties
than the organ was.
john blair
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Phil:
so...a Fender Rhodes type electric piano (like Chantays
"Pipeline)...correct?
would Dave "Baby" Cortez (and his Wurlitzer Organ) be
considered proto-surf? Didn't he do "Peppermint Man" on a
Wurlitzer or a Hammond arround 1960 or so?
-dp
--- Phil Dirt <> wrote:
> Hmmm - if your doing traditional surf, electric piano was
> the keyboard
> of choice in surf, with very few exceptions. Farfisa is a
> post-surf
> development (maybe '66) if I recall corrfectly. Garage
> bands, not surf.
>
> Phil
>
> --- wrote:
> If I were to go looking for a vintage Farfisa organ to
> use in a surf
> band,
> what model would be best for that classic Farfisa sound?
> Do they all
> sound
> pretty much the same, or is there one particular
> year/model that is
> more
> desirable? Which model had the reversed color keys?
>
> -Matt Crunk
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A couple of great surf songs with organ leads:
Time Bomb - Avengers VI
Coming Home Baby - The Nocturnes
Ventures aren't surf but they had organ on a number of their tracks
For organs, Farfisa and Vox organs are tops. I used to have a Farfisa
mini-compact; I never should have sold it. I've got a Yamaha Electone now,
which does a pretty good job too.
In the realm of vintage electric pianos, the Hohner Pianet-T is much cheaper
than Rhodes or Wurly models.
Mel
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>
> Dave Cortez had nada to do with surf music. I also don't recall him
> recording "Peppermint Man." That song was written for Dick Dale. Apart
> from The Trashmen (and the Hot Doggers -- Melcher, Johnston studio
project)
> who did an instro version of it), I can't think of anyone else who may
have
> recorded the song at that time.
>
> And, yes, Phil probably had the Rhodes in mind when he said (correctly)
> that electric piano was much more common with surf bands in the sixties
> than the organ was.
>
> john blair
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> Phil:
>
> so...a Fender Rhodes type electric piano (like Chantays
> "Pipeline)...correct?
>
> would Dave "Baby" Cortez (and his Wurlitzer Organ) be
> considered proto-surf? Didn't he do "Peppermint Man" on a
> Wurlitzer or a Hammond arround 1960 or so?
>
> -dp
>
>
>
> --- Phil Dirt <> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm - if your doing traditional surf, electric piano was
> > the keyboard
> > of choice in surf, with very few exceptions. Farfisa is a
> > post-surf
> > development (maybe '66) if I recall corrfectly. Garage
> > bands, not surf.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > --- wrote:
> > If I were to go looking for a vintage Farfisa organ to
> > use in a surf
> > band,
> > what model would be best for that classic Farfisa sound?
> > Do they all
> > sound
> > pretty much the same, or is there one particular
> > year/model that is
> > more
> > desirable? Which model had the reversed color keys?
> >
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Thanks John,
I was busy typing a response and thought I better see if you had
replied. Dave Cortez was not even an early influence in any meaningful
way. Everything without words is not surf or a surf precursor. Organ
inn general was not part of the precursors either, except for Johnny
and the Hurricanes, and then mostly because of Dave Yorko's great
guitar work.
Yes, I was thinking of the Rhodes.
Phil
--- wrote:
---------------------------------
Dave Cortez had nada to do with surf music. I also don't recall him
recording "Peppermint Man." That song was written for Dick Dale.
Apart
from The Trashmen (and the Hot Doggers -- Melcher, Johnston studio
project)
who did an instro version of it), I can't think of anyone else who may
have
recorded the song at that time.
And, yes, Phil probably had the Rhodes in mind when he said (correctly)
that electric piano was much more common with surf bands in the sixties
than the organ was.
john blair
DP
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Phil:
so...a Fender Rhodes type electric piano (like Chantays
"Pipeline)...correct?
would Dave "Baby" Cortez (and his Wurlitzer Organ) be
considered proto-surf? Didn't he do "Peppermint Man" on a
Wurlitzer or a Hammond arround 1960 or so?
-dp
--- Phil Dirt <> wrote:
> Hmmm - if your doing traditional surf, electric piano was
> the keyboard
> of choice in surf, with very few exceptions. Farfisa is a
> post-surf
> development (maybe '66) if I recall corrfectly. Garage
> bands, not surf.
>
> Phil
>
> --- wrote:
> If I were to go looking for a vintage Farfisa organ to
> use in a surf
> band,
> what model would be best for that classic Farfisa sound?
> Do they all
> sound
> pretty much the same, or is there one particular
> year/model that is
> more
> desirable? Which model had the reversed color keys?
>
> -Matt Crunk
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Avengers VI is 1966 I think, and the Nocturnes were covering a jazz
intro that frequently used organ at abut that time. Both are a long way
from representative, but do provide glimpses, and when compared to the
archetypes, display how different they sound.
Perhaps a more common band to consider is Jim Waller and the Deltas,
though of course they were a jazz band from Fresno, and Jim Waller
today cringes at those recordings.
Phil
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A couple of great surf songs with organ leads:
Time Bomb - Avengers VI
Coming Home Baby - The Nocturnes
Ventures aren't surf but they had organ on a number of their tracks
For organs, Farfisa and Vox organs are tops. I used to have a Farfisa
mini-compact; I never should have sold it. I've got a Yamaha Electone
now,
which does a pretty good job too.
In the realm of vintage electric pianos, the Hohner Pianet-T is much
cheaper
than Rhodes or Wurly models.
Mel
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To: <>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Organ Sound for Surf Music...( and Dave
Baby
Cortez)
>
> Dave Cortez had nada to do with surf music. I also don't recall him
> recording "Peppermint Man." That song was written for Dick Dale.
Apart
> from The Trashmen (and the Hot Doggers -- Melcher, Johnston studio
project)
> who did an instro version of it), I can't think of anyone else who
may
have
> recorded the song at that time.
>
> And, yes, Phil probably had the Rhodes in mind when he said
(correctly)
> that electric piano was much more common with surf bands in the
sixties
> than the organ was.
>
> john blair
>
>
>
>
>
> DP
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> Phil:
>
> so...a Fender Rhodes type electric piano (like Chantays
> "Pipeline)...correct?
>
> would Dave "Baby" Cortez (and his Wurlitzer Organ) be
> considered proto-surf? Didn't he do "Peppermint Man" on a
> Wurlitzer or a Hammond arround 1960 or so?
>
> -dp
>
>
>
> --- Phil Dirt <> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm - if your doing traditional surf, electric piano was
> > the keyboard
> > of choice in surf, with very few exceptions. Farfisa is a
> > post-surf
> > development (maybe '66) if I recall corrfectly. Garage
> > bands, not surf.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > --- wrote:
> > If I were to go looking for a vintage Farfisa organ to
> > use in a surf
> > band,
> > what model would be best for that classic Farfisa sound?
> > Do they all
> > sound
> > pretty much the same, or is there one particular
> > year/model that is
> > more
> > desirable? Which model had the reversed color keys?
> >
> > -Matt Crunk
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In a message dated 10/7/2005 4:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, writes:
Ventures aren't surf but they had organ on a number of their tracks
Ventures aren't surf? That to me is like saying Muddy Waters ain't the
blues. If the Ventures aren't Surf, just what the heck have I been listening to
all these years? The Ventures, The Shadows, The Surfaris? What gives?
-MC
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DP, All:
The Fender Rhodes wasn't in production till about 1970
or so. If anything, the "prototypical" elec. piano
sound is more likely the Wurlitzer electric piano,
which started production sometime in the 1950s.
~ Jonathan
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: DP <>
Subject: Re: Organ Sound for Surf Music...( and Dave
Baby Cortez)
Phil:
so...a Fender Rhodes type electric piano (like
Chantays
"Pipeline)...correct?
would Dave "Baby" Cortez (and his Wurlitzer Organ) be
considered proto-surf? Didn't he do "Peppermint Man"
on a
Wurlitzer or a Hammond arround 1960 or so?
-dp
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Ask the Ventures. They will tell you they weren't a surfband. They
recorded some great surf tracks, mimicking the sound sometimes, but
they aren't/weren't a surfband. Compare their dry, uninspired cover
"Pipeline" to the real thing. It's not even in the ball park. Later,
they figured it out, and maybe 30 tracks (out of thousands) were really
good surf, like "Journey To the Stars," and their own remake of "Walk
Don't Run '64." Most of their songs are rock instros or country instros
or go-go or disco.
Neither are the Shadows a surfband. They are almost entirely unrelated
to surf. It's not the same sound at all. Not the guitar sounds, not the
effects, not the beat, not the production values, nothing!
The Ventures were a prime influence on surf. The Shadows were virtually
unknown in the US in the sixties, and they never tried to incorporate
the surf sound into their sound.
Phil
--- wrote:
Ventures aren't surf? That to me is like saying Muddy Waters ain't
the
blues. If the Ventures aren't Surf, just what the heck have I been
listening to all these years? The Ventures, The Shadows, The
Surfaris? What gives?
-MC
Jon:
Thanks for the info...so the Fender Rhodes appeared around
the end of The Doors and during Stevie Wonder's early-funk
years? I will have to look into that. Any idea when the
Fender Keyboard Bass came on line? I know Ray Manzarek of
the Doors relied upon it, I wonder if anyone earlier
utilized it?
-dp
--- Jonathan Villegas <> wrote:
> DP, All:
>
> The Fender Rhodes wasn't in production till about 1970
> or so. If anything, the "prototypical" elec. piano
> sound is more likely the Wurlitzer electric piano,
> which started production sometime in the 1950s.
>
> ~ Jonathan
> www.lbop.net
>
> --- wrote:
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: DP <>
> Subject: Re: Organ Sound for Surf Music...( and Dave
> Baby Cortez)
>
> Phil:
>
> so...a Fender Rhodes type electric piano (like
> Chantays
> "Pipeline)...correct?
>
> would Dave "Baby" Cortez (and his Wurlitzer Organ) be
> considered proto-surf? Didn't he do "Peppermint Man"
> on a
> Wurlitzer or a Hammond arround 1960 or so?
>
> -dp
>
>
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Jonathan,
> The Fender Rhodes wasn't in production till about 1970
> or so.
Oh? Then what'd I just spend several weeks busting my hump
over, rebuilding from the legs up? Could it have been, gasp,
a Fender Rhodes Stage 73 that was built in 1966? No?
Then I'm sure you won't mind googling the 'tardnet with these
criteria: "fender rhodes" history
::ohnosontheinnerweb::
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