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apache is am d am d dm g am d .wdr is am but i,m sure it was originally
reorded bflatm .but am is easier .try it ,see what you think .also f b i was not
written by the shadows ,peter gormly . john
Marty Tippens <> wrote:I don't know about that D or Dm in
Apache, John. I'm still tryin' to figure out if the Venrtures were playing A or
Am as the first chord of WDR. Yes, Am fits the key but may are convinced it's A
and it is hard to tell. Is this the same problem with Apache?
-Marty
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Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Shadows vs. Jorgen Ingman
Both the Ingman and Shads' versions of "Apache" are important for different
reasons. I think Ivan's last sentence in the post below sums up both sides
of this thread.....it was the Shadows that made the song into a classic,
even if Ingmann's version was more popular in the US. 'Nuff said.....
Anybody have any comments on the use of a D major chord versus Dm for the
verses (assuming y'all play this in the key of Am)? Let's see if this is a
worm can opener.....
jb
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--- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
> If you lived in the US in the sixties, you likely had no idea who the
> Shadows were, but you heard Jorgen Ingmann's "Apache" on the radio
all
> the time.
No question.
> How can you condemn the Ingmann version without hearing it? Beyond
> this list, there is no controversy.
I have heard it, and even have the entire Ingmann "Apache" album
(where he's wearing the silly Indian chief headgear) and think it's
good - good in a sense of Les Paul, whom I'm a big fan of. It's not a
rock'n'roll song.
> It's not a "Shadows" song. They got it from a song writer.
Well, I don't think this is quite right. of course Lordan wrote the
melody, but to see the Shadows brilliance, listen to the version of
the song by Bert Weedon, an easy-listening Brit guitarist of the
time. He was quite popular, and Lordan first gave him the song. He
recorded it but didn't release it until after the Shadows had a hit
with their version. Weedon's version is boring, boring, boring. It's
got nothing. What makes Apache great, and what makes it just as much
of a Shadows songs as Walk, Don't Run is a Ventures song, is their
indivudual trademark sound and arrangement (and nevermind the intro
and outro, as well as the middle breakdown part, which all were
authored by the Shads). I do believe that the Shadows must get the at
least some of the credit for the greatness of that song - and BTW,
Ingmann copied the Shadows arrangement very closely.
> It's just a matter of where you were at the time,
> or your personal taste, nothing more.
Of course, nobody's arguing that. But I just want to make sure that
people understand is that it was the Shadows that made that song into
a classic, even if Ingmann's version was more popular in the US.
Ivan
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--- In , John Squitti <jpsquitti@y...>
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> also f b i was not written by the shadows ,peter gormly . john
John, Peter Gormley was the Shadows manager. It is well-documented by
now that in fact it was the Shads themselves that wrote FBI (as well
as Gonzales, credited to McGlynn, whoever that was) though for some
obscure publishing reasons they assigned the songwriting credit to
Gormely.
Ivan
