Menu
Fender built, or still builds, an amp with a full-blown '60s reverb unit with
tone, dwell, and
mix controls right inside the cabinet. Can anyone tell me what amp that is?
Further, has
anyone actually evaluated how well the Fender tube reverb circuit functioned in
an amp? I
would think it would be really prone to vibration noise.
Just curious....
G
VibroKing
----- Original Message -----
From: Gavin Ehringer
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Fender amp, built-in Fender reverb?
Fender built, or still builds, an amp with a full-blown '60s reverb unit with
tone, dwell, and
mix controls right inside the cabinet. Can anyone tell me what amp that is?
Further, has
anyone actually evaluated how well the Fender tube reverb circuit functioned
in an amp? I
would think it would be really prone to vibration noise.
Just curious....
G
.
Visit for archived messages,
bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
a.. Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
__________ NOD32 1.1193 (20050812) Information __________
This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I've had experience with both the Vibro King and the
Dual Professional. And while they do have a "3-knob"
reverb built on the front end, neither of them were
any match for any of my stand alone reverbs....I spent
a fair amount of time mulling through the enclosed
schematics that came witht the Dual Professional and I
could never figure how Fender could call that circuit
a true reverb tank circuit. They both sounded pretty
good until you plugged in the real thing and
bang.....real reverb!!!!!I'll say one thing for that
Dual Professional Amp, It was the loudest Fender amp
I've ever had, and I have some really hot/tweaked
Dual Showman Reverb heads....I put the DP chassis in a
Showman head type cab and used it to power a Dual
Showman bottom with 2 EV-15L's. That was one awesome
combination. However, the Dual Pro Amp was somewhat
sterile and didn't push back and sing the way most
great Fender amps do when they are really
cooking....But it was LOUD, and it was CLEAN!.....The
reverb though, just didn't quite cut it.....Eddie K
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> VibroKing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gavin Ehringer
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:16 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Fender amp, built-in
> Fender reverb?
>
>
> Fender built, or still builds, an amp with a
> full-blown '60s reverb unit with tone, dwell, and
> mix controls right inside the cabinet. Can anyone
> tell me what amp that is? Further, has
> anyone actually evaluated how well the Fender tube
> reverb circuit functioned in an amp? I
> would think it would be really prone to vibration
> noise.
>
> Just curious....
>
> G
>
>
>
>
>
> .
> Visit
> for archived messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> a.. Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the
> web.
>
> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an
> email to:
>
>
> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
> Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> __________ NOD32 1.1193 (20050812) Information
> __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus
> system.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
____________________________________________________
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Shigeo of The Surf Coasters uses a VibroKing (not on the US tour, but
in Japan) that has a built in reverb tank. You could listen to some of
their stuff and see if you like it. It's custom shop and used you're
lucky to get them for $1000, even for a '94. Hope that helps some.
Eric
--- In , "Gavin Ehringer"
<gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> Fender built, or still builds, an amp with a full-blown '60s reverb
unit with tone, dwell, and
> mix controls right inside the cabinet. Can anyone tell me what amp
that is? Further, has
> anyone actually evaluated how well the Fender tube reverb circuit
functioned in an amp? I
> would think it would be really prone to vibration noise.
>
> Just curious....
>
> G
--- In , John McCorvey
<eddiekatcher@y...> wrote:
> I've had experience with both the Vibro King and the
> Dual Professional. And while they do have a "3-knob"
> reverb built on the front end, neither of them were
> any match for any of my stand alone reverbs....I spent
> a fair amount of time mulling through the enclosed
> schematics that came witht the Dual Professional and I
> could never figure how Fender could call that circuit
> a true reverb tank circuit. They both sounded pretty
> good until you plugged in the real thing and
> bang.....real reverb!!!!!I'll say one thing for that
> Dual Professional Amp, It was the loudest Fender amp
> I've ever had, and I have some really hot/tweaked
> Dual Showman Reverb heads....I put the DP chassis in a
> Showman head type cab and used it to power a Dual
> Showman bottom with 2 EV-15L's. That was one awesome
> combination. However, the Dual Pro Amp was somewhat
> sterile and didn't push back and sing the way most
> great Fender amps do when they are really
> cooking....But it was LOUD, and it was CLEAN!.....The
> reverb though, just didn't quite cut it.....Eddie K
Hmmm, well, I must say that my own experience with my Dual
Professional is very different from Eddie's. I bought mine some
eight or nine months ago (used on eBay - it's a '96) and it's been
my primary gigging and recording amp since then. I think the
speakers and tubes are such a big component of the sound of any
amps, and maybe this is why I like it so much while Eddie didn't
care for it much. The stock Celestion Vintage 30s in that amp broke
up very easilly and when you turned the amp up past 7, it started
sounding like Jimmy Page. I replaced the Celestions with Weber's
copies of JBL D120Fs, together with the aluminum dust cap. Since
then the amp has been sounding incredible, as good as any Fender amp
I've ever played. It is a bit cleaner than a Showman, but since
when is this a problem for surf music?
As far as the reverb, my main reverb unit for the last ten years has
been a blonde reissue with the cap mod and NOS tubes. I connected
it to the Dual Pro and then I switched between the onboard reverb
and the reverb box - I could tell no difference. My own impression
has been that Fender did a fantastic job with the onboard reverb
unit for the Dual Pro (though it uses different tubes - a 6V6 and a
two 12AX7s, rather than 6K6, 12AT7 and 12AX7), and I've played
several gigs with that amp using the onboard reverb with very
satisfying results. I also recorded with it as my primary amp two
weeks ago with equally satisfying results. I wonder if the tubes
used make a big difference for the reverb? (I swapped mine out with
the JJ tubes, which I highly recommend.) Also, it is possible there
is a fair amount of variation between the Dual Pro's reverb units
and I just lucked out.
Ivan
Nothing wrong with my inboard either, it's just a preference thing with me. The
o/b
sounds a little better through the loop, but I'll use the i/b anytime in a
pinch.
Yeah, I've never been crazy about the v30's either and have been jonesing for
some Weber
Cali's for some time. I gotta say I've never taken them to the 7 level though, I
actually
kinda like the slight breakup they get at around 4 or 5. Do the Webers have any
break-up
at all?
-Paul
> Hmmm, well, I must say that my own experience with my Dual
> Professional is very different from Eddie's. I bought mine some
> eight or nine months ago (used on eBay - it's a '96) and it's been
> my primary gigging and recording amp since then. I think the
> speakers and tubes are such a big component of the sound of any
> amps, and maybe this is why I like it so much while Eddie didn't
> care for it much. The stock Celestion Vintage 30s in that amp broke
> up very easilly and when you turned the amp up past 7, it started
> sounding like Jimmy Page. I replaced the Celestions with Weber's
> copies of JBL D120Fs, together with the aluminum dust cap. Since
> then the amp has been sounding incredible, as good as any Fender amp
> I've ever played. It is a bit cleaner than a Showman, but since
> when is this a problem for surf music?
>
> As far as the reverb, my main reverb unit for the last ten years has
> been a blonde reissue with the cap mod and NOS tubes. I connected
> it to the Dual Pro and then I switched between the onboard reverb
> and the reverb box - I could tell no difference. My own impression
> has been that Fender did a fantastic job with the onboard reverb
> unit for the Dual Pro (though it uses different tubes - a 6V6 and a
> two 12AX7s, rather than 6K6, 12AT7 and 12AX7), and I've played
> several gigs with that amp using the onboard reverb with very
> satisfying results. I also recorded with it as my primary amp two
> weeks ago with equally satisfying results. I wonder if the tubes
> used make a big difference for the reverb? (I swapped mine out with
> the JJ tubes, which I highly recommend.) Also, it is possible there
> is a fair amount of variation between the Dual Pro's reverb units
> and I just lucked out.
>
> Ivan
--- In , "obmosquito" <obmosquito@c...>
wrote:
> Yeah, I've never been crazy about the v30's either and have been
jonesing for some Weber
> Cali's for some time. I gotta say I've never taken them to the 7
level though,
I have actually been playing the amp with the volume between 8 and
10! (Fat switch off - it's just a volume boost.) I do like it loud!
> I actually kinda like the slight breakup they get at around 4 or
5. > Do the Webers have any break-up at all?
None that I can tell. Clean as a whistle! But what a fat sound...
I got the alnico Cali speakers - not cheap, but what a sound.
Weber VST is based in Kokomo, IN, about 30 minutes from where my
parents live. So, I've bought quite a few speakers from them
through the last five years. They make really great stuff, and i
see that even Fender is starting to use them (for the new '58
reissue Twin, for example). And very, very nice people to boot. I
always just stop by there and pick up the speakers.
Ivan
Re: Dual Professional & VibroKing: Thanks, John. That was the kind of review I
was hoping
for.
Gavin
Hey Ivan, it doesn't matter what amp YOU play....It
will sound AWESOME!!!!!You are the man and your DP
rocks......In Indianapolis and in Chicago you took no
prisoners.......I never could become one with mine
though as it always seemed to be fighting me.....It
was LOUD and it was HEAVY....but it was solid.....I
tried all sorts of speaker combos in it, D-131F's,
D-120's, K-120's and even E-120's. But I never felt
as comfortable with it as I do with the '68 Dual
Showman Reverb head I've had around for years.....It
just sings and feels like an old friend....I recently
repackaged one of my '68 Dual Showman Reverb heads
into a Twin Reverb cab with brand new Fender Twin
Reverb speakers and it, quite frankly, is a real
suprise.....boy, does it sound good on tape. And set
up about 1 foot off the ground on a milk crate, has
great focus.....Still a bit heavy for tired old eddie
k though...anybody out there tried the new super light
weight neodymium speakers? They are supposed to be
really efficient.....Can't wait for the new Maderia CD
and pass along my greetings to the guys, best
reverbs (built-in or add on) eddie k
--- ipongrac <> wrote:
> --- In , John McCorvey
> <eddiekatcher@y...> wrote:
> > I've had experience with both the Vibro King and
> the
> > Dual Professional. And while they do have a
> "3-knob"
> > reverb built on the front end, neither of them
> were
> > any match for any of my stand alone reverbs....I
> spent
> > a fair amount of time mulling through the enclosed
> > schematics that came witht the Dual Professional
> and I
> > could never figure how Fender could call that
> circuit
> > a true reverb tank circuit. They both sounded
> pretty
> > good until you plugged in the real thing and
> > bang.....real reverb!!!!!I'll say one thing for
> that
> > Dual Professional Amp, It was the loudest Fender
> amp
> > I've ever had, and I have some really hot/tweaked
> > Dual Showman Reverb heads....I put the DP chassis
> in a
> > Showman head type cab and used it to power a Dual
> > Showman bottom with 2 EV-15L's. That was one
> awesome
> > combination. However, the Dual Pro Amp was
> somewhat
> > sterile and didn't push back and sing the way most
> > great Fender amps do when they are really
> > cooking....But it was LOUD, and it was
> CLEAN!.....The
> > reverb though, just didn't quite cut it.....Eddie
> K
>
> Hmmm, well, I must say that my own experience with
> my Dual
> Professional is very different from Eddie's. I
> bought mine some
> eight or nine months ago (used on eBay - it's a '96)
> and it's been
> my primary gigging and recording amp since then. I
> think the
> speakers and tubes are such a big component of the
> sound of any
> amps, and maybe this is why I like it so much while
> Eddie didn't
> care for it much. The stock Celestion Vintage 30s
> in that amp broke
> up very easilly and when you turned the amp up past
> 7, it started
> sounding like Jimmy Page. I replaced the Celestions
> with Weber's
> copies of JBL D120Fs, together with the aluminum
> dust cap. Since
> then the amp has been sounding incredible, as good
> as any Fender amp
> I've ever played. It is a bit cleaner than a
> Showman, but since
> when is this a problem for surf music?
>
> As far as the reverb, my main reverb unit for the
> last ten years has
> been a blonde reissue with the cap mod and NOS
> tubes. I connected
> it to the Dual Pro and then I switched between the
> onboard reverb
> and the reverb box - I could tell no difference. My
> own impression
> has been that Fender did a fantastic job with the
> onboard reverb
> unit for the Dual Pro (though it uses different
> tubes - a 6V6 and a
> two 12AX7s, rather than 6K6, 12AT7 and 12AX7), and
> I've played
> several gigs with that amp using the onboard reverb
> with very
> satisfying results. I also recorded with it as my
> primary amp two
> weeks ago with equally satisfying results. I wonder
> if the tubes
> used make a big difference for the reverb? (I
> swapped mine out with
> the JJ tubes, which I highly recommend.) Also, it
> is possible there
> is a fair amount of variation between the Dual Pro's
> reverb units
> and I just lucked out.
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
