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I was recently checking out the resources at en.wikipedia.org
pertaining to surf music--and considering the collective knowledge
that has been expressed over the years through venues such as
cowabunga, reverorama, and surfguitar101, it is a shame that the
entry on surf rock is as weak as it is. They don't even include
Slacktone in their listing of 3rd wave surf bands, no mention of the
2nd wave bands at all, no Insect Surfers, no Jon and the
Nightriders, no Halibuts. Considering the rich wealth of knowledge
from some of the members of this and other newslists, it is just a
shame that this subject has not been exhaustively documented there.
After all, it's free, its usage has been steadily growing over the
years, anybody can edit the content on line, and it would be an easy
way to provide links to cd sources, equipment tips, band histories
etc. etc. I would contribute content myself, except that, I feel
inadequate to the task in comparison with some of the members of
this and other surf lists. At the very least, members of bands
should write their own band history there. This is a project of wide
public visibility, and it should be recognized as an opportunity of
great magnitude.
You never know how many people, when hearing the term surf music,
might go to wikipedia to investigate--by the way, searching on surf
music redirects you to surf rock, and then someone has broken surf
rock down into spy rock, space rock, hot rod rock, and surfabilly.
See, I have a problem with surf music being redirected to surf rock,
because there are bands who have played surf music that are not
necessarily rock--Chris Shahin band, fr instance.
So I am making a plea for anybody who feels qualified, please go and
contribute content to the wikipedia project.
For anybody who is not familiar with a wiki, it was developed by
this famous smalltalk programmer named Ward Cunningham after his
honeymoon in Hawaii where they took a wiki-wiki from the airport.
It is basically an open web site where anyone can contribute content
and edit existing content. His original wiki-wiki-web site has been
around since around '95 or '96, largely a discussion group for
programmers, and for that profession, has some of the best insights
from some of the leading innvoators. The wikipedia was inspired by
the wiki-wiki-web to become the peoples encyclopedia, and the
content on some subjects is truly fantastic. But not so much the
content on surf music.
That's an interesting website, J. I just added a line and link
suggesting that those interested in further info on surf music go to
Reverb Central.
-Marty
--- In , "carbon4logic"
<carbon4logic@y...> wrote:
> I was recently checking out the resources at en.wikipedia.org
> pertaining to surf music--and considering the collective knowledge
> that has been expressed over the years through venues such as
> cowabunga, reverorama, and surfguitar101, it is a shame that the
> entry on surf rock is as weak as it is. They don't even include
> Slacktone in their listing of 3rd wave surf bands, no mention of
the
> 2nd wave bands at all, no Insect Surfers, no Jon and the
> Nightriders, no Halibuts. Considering the rich wealth of knowledge
> from some of the members of this and other newslists, it is just a
> shame that this subject has not been exhaustively documented there.
>
> After all, it's free, its usage has been steadily growing over the
> years, anybody can edit the content on line, and it would be an
easy
> way to provide links to cd sources, equipment tips, band histories
> etc. etc. I would contribute content myself, except that, I feel
> inadequate to the task in comparison with some of the members of
> this and other surf lists. At the very least, members of bands
> should write their own band history there. This is a project of
wide
> public visibility, and it should be recognized as an opportunity of
> great magnitude.
>
> You never know how many people, when hearing the term surf music,
> might go to wikipedia to investigate--by the way, searching on surf
> music redirects you to surf rock, and then someone has broken surf
> rock down into spy rock, space rock, hot rod rock, and surfabilly.
> See, I have a problem with surf music being redirected to surf
rock,
> because there are bands who have played surf music that are not
> necessarily rock--Chris Shahin band, fr instance.
>
> So I am making a plea for anybody who feels qualified, please go
and
> contribute content to the wikipedia project.
>
> For anybody who is not familiar with a wiki, it was developed by
> this famous smalltalk programmer named Ward Cunningham after his
> honeymoon in Hawaii where they took a wiki-wiki from the airport.
> It is basically an open web site where anyone can contribute
content
> and edit existing content. His original wiki-wiki-web site has been
> around since around '95 or '96, largely a discussion group for
> programmers, and for that profession, has some of the best insights
> from some of the leading innvoators. The wikipedia was inspired by
> the wiki-wiki-web to become the peoples encyclopedia, and the
> content on some subjects is truly fantastic. But not so much the
> content on surf music.
We've talked about wikipedia before on this list. The Shadows entry,
for example, is well written. All it takes is those with the will to
tackle such a project....
BN
On 8/2/05, mctippens <> wrote:
> That's an interesting website, J. I just added a line and link
> suggesting that those interested in further info on surf music go to
> Reverb Central.
> -Marty
>
> --- In , "carbon4logic"
> <carbon4logic@y...> wrote:
> > I was recently checking out the resources at en.wikipedia.org
> > pertaining to surf music--and considering the collective knowledge
> > that has been expressed over the years through venues such as
> > cowabunga, reverorama, and surfguitar101, it is a shame that the
> > entry on surf rock is as weak as it is.
<snip>
That's true Brian, good entries will make it a good site but I'm not
seeing any protection against those with mis-info or deliberate
negative intents ruining the project. I guess it makes a nice
experiment in anarchy.
-Marty
--- In , Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> We've talked about wikipedia before on this list. The Shadows entry,
> for example, is well written. All it takes is those with the will to
> tackle such a project....
>
> BN
>
> On 8/2/05, mctippens <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > That's an interesting website, J. I just added a line and link
> > suggesting that those interested in further info on surf music go
to
> > Reverb Central.
> > -Marty
> >
> > --- In , "carbon4logic"
> > <carbon4logic@y...> wrote:
> > > I was recently checking out the resources at en.wikipedia.org
> > > pertaining to surf music--and considering the collective
knowledge
> > > that has been expressed over the years through venues such as
> > > cowabunga, reverorama, and surfguitar101, it is a shame that the
> > > entry on surf rock is as weak as it is.
> <snip>
You are right. The Shadows entry is pretty good. And that sort of
serves as a model for how good this can be as a source of
information.
It IS anarchy, but it is controlled anarchy. If you write something
I believe to be incorrect, I can change it, and you can change it
back, but it always isn't quite that easy. There are moderators who
watch what is going on and sort of arbitrate conflicts. Mostly, that
doesn't happen too much. The history of wiki's shows that people
tend to want to serve the topic well, not deliberately mislead--I'm
sure it must happen sometimes, but--at least, at the Wiki-Wiki-Web,
if i think you stated something incorrectly, I will add an edit
after, state the correction, and leave my name. The wikipedia is a
little different in this regard, but somehow it all works. I don't
know how, its a mystery.
J
--- In , Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> We've talked about wikipedia before on this list. The Shadows
entry,
> for example, is well written. All it takes is those with the will
to
> tackle such a project....
>
> BN
>
> On 8/2/05, mctippens <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > That's an interesting website, J. I just added a line and link
> > suggesting that those interested in further info on surf music
go to
> > Reverb Central.
> > -Marty
> >
> > --- In , "carbon4logic"
> > <carbon4logic@y...> wrote:
> > > I was recently checking out the resources at en.wikipedia.org
> > > pertaining to surf music--and considering the collective
knowledge
> > > that has been expressed over the years through venues such as
> > > cowabunga, reverorama, and surfguitar101, it is a shame that
the
> > > entry on surf rock is as weak as it is.
> <snip>
just check out any article on something you know about and you'll see
it's a very successful experiment in anarchy
there are always a few revert wars going on, but in my experience it
is factually more accurate than almost any other reference source
precisely because it is continuously peer-reviewed. And far more wide-
reaching and up-to-date.
I've written several of the screenwriting-related entries.
On Aug 2, 2005, at 2:14 PM, mctippens wrote:
> That's true Brian, good entries will make it a good site but I'm not
> seeing any protection against those with mis-info or deliberate
> negative intents ruining the project. I guess it makes a nice
> experiment in anarchy.
And an experiment that works.
There is no protection against mis-information, deliberate or otherwise,
and it's by design. Anyone can access the page and - with complete
anonymity - edit that page. It's the community editing that filters out
a lot of the dreck and bias.
Take a look around though - there's no spam, it's well written, and for
most of the things that I check out are pretty damn accurate.
Here's a page with a good experiment...
Changes don't take too long to appear.
T
mctippens wrote:
> That's true Brian, good entries will make it a good site but I'm not
> seeing any protection against those with mis-info or deliberate
> negative intents ruining the project. I guess it makes a nice
> experiment in anarchy.
> -Marty
>
> --- In , Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
>
>>We've talked about wikipedia before on this list. The Shadows entry,
>>for example, is well written. All it takes is those with the will to
>>tackle such a project....
>>
>>BN
>>
>>On 8/2/05, mctippens <mctippens@e...> wrote:
>>
>>>That's an interesting website, J. I just added a line and link
>>>suggesting that those interested in further info on surf music go
>
> to
>
>>>Reverb Central.
>>>-Marty
>>>
>>>--- In , "carbon4logic"
>>><carbon4logic@y...> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was recently checking out the resources at en.wikipedia.org
>>>>pertaining to surf music--and considering the collective
>
> knowledge
>
>>>>that has been expressed over the years through venues such as
>>>>cowabunga, reverorama, and surfguitar101, it is a shame that the
>>>>entry on surf rock is as weak as it is.
>>
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I think Phil Dirt & John Blair should collaborate on the Surf Rock
entry at Wikipedia. Phil has lots of fodder for the article already on
his Reverb Central site. :-)
BN
