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I started this whole thing with my question on technique, and didn't
mean to get into a linguistic debate, but it is great to get
terminology down. I don't like the phrase "tremolo picking" either,
but I thought it was "correct" since it is what I see in publications
when describing either surf music or metal solo style picking. I do
appreciate the tips about starting slow, I'm working on it.
I'm really surprised at how little "how-to" there is out there for the
surf sound. I guess it is a little more obscure than I thought. I
see a couple books on amazon, but they look like they are just
Ventures and Dick Dale notations with probably a couple paragrahs that
say "use reverb". Is there much more instruction that can be put into
words? How did you all learn to play Surf Guitar? Is it worth
it/possible to find a teacher? Is listening to it and trying to mimic
it the best approach?
I'd love to hear more about how you got where you are in your guitar
playing, especially regarding the surf tones.
On 7/14/05, mom_surfing <> wrote:
> in reading my post i sound like an idiot. it's just hard to explain
> something that would be so simple face to face, guitar to guitar. when
> i think back it's all mostly fast alternate picking, some with single
> notes added in between like the intro to 'shake and stomp'. like i
> said, hard to explain :)
>
> --- In , "mono_tones_1" <rockverb@h...>
> wrote:
> > just 2b sure.
> >
> > most machine gun picking (as DD calls it, yet another word for
> > thesame thing!) usually IS unaccented. My refference to practicing
> > with accents was only to build up accuracy (ie regular division of
> > notes over time) - to loose accents again after that. I made the
> > comment because i thought the original post complained about lack of
> > accuracy.
> >
> > of course there is also accented trem picking - the start of miserlou
> > has it i think, same with redlined on the melody notes. but it's not
> > regular accents, but 'strategically placed'
> >
> > sorry if i confused you.
> > WR
> >
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--- In , Rob Campbell <mantid@g...> wrote:
> I'm really surprised at how little "how-to" there is out there for
the
> surf sound. I guess it is a little more obscure than I thought. I
> see a couple books on amazon, but they look like they are just
> Ventures and Dick Dale notations with probably a couple paragrahs
that
> say "use reverb". Is there much more instruction that can be put
into
> words? How did you all learn to play Surf Guitar? Is it worth
> it/possible to find a teacher? Is listening to it and trying to
mimic
> it the best approach?
Yeah, I kinda think you are making it too hard and over analyzing it.
I don't think there is that much instruction required. Remember this
music was started by teenagers with minimal equipment. Get a good
guitar with a whammy bar, single coils are a plus, but not necessary
at first, and a clean sounding amp. Obtain some reverb; again, this is
optional at first. Then just sit down and try to learn some songs.
Learning songs by ear is very, very hard at first but it is the key (I
think) to getting somewhere.
As far as a teacher goes, that is an individual thing. Probably the
best thing you can do is get a friend and learn together or have
him/her give you some pointers.
Good luck!
BN
I think a guitar teacher is a good idea, not to learn a particular style, but to
learn music in general and how it applies to the guitar. You then take this
knowledge and use it with the style you want to play. You'll have many creative
doors open for you. It's best to find an old teacher, because when that teacher
learned to play there was no rock'n roll and guitar players had to know as much
as horn and piano players.
Dan
Brian Neal <> wrote:
--- In , Rob Campbell <mantid@g...> wrote:
> I'm really surprised at how little "how-to" there is out there for
the
> surf sound. I guess it is a little more obscure than I thought. I
> see a couple books on amazon, but they look like they are just
> Ventures and Dick Dale notations with probably a couple paragrahs
that
> say "use reverb". Is there much more instruction that can be put
into
> words? How did you all learn to play Surf Guitar? Is it worth
> it/possible to find a teacher? Is listening to it and trying to
mimic
> it the best approach?
Yeah, I kinda think you are making it too hard and over analyzing it.
I don't think there is that much instruction required. Remember this
music was started by teenagers with minimal equipment. Get a good
guitar with a whammy bar, single coils are a plus, but not necessary
at first, and a clean sounding amp. Obtain some reverb; again, this is
optional at first. Then just sit down and try to learn some songs.
Learning songs by ear is very, very hard at first but it is the key (I
think) to getting somewhere.
As far as a teacher goes, that is an individual thing. Probably the
best thing you can do is get a friend and learn together or have
him/her give you some pointers.
Good luck!
BN
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there are no guitar teachers where i live. luckily i had a few friends
willing to show me things when i first started playing but i've mostly
been teaching myself. i sought out anyone to play anything with, just
for the chance to learn. i've been going to the national guitar
workshop one week a year for the past five years and have had the
opportunity to have instructors who are teachers and professional
musicians. a lot of what is taught is theory but the information we
get in a week is overwhelming and something to chew on for monthes
after the classes are over. this past year i've devoted all my playing
time to surf and figuring out the songs by ear, which has gotten
easier as i've learned more songs. 'moving target' by jon and the
nightriders has been a great learning tool for me. i think my playing
has improved tremendously just from learning the tunes on this disc.
another useful cd i found for dissecting is the duo tones 'plugged in
and live'. probably the best thing you can do is find a cd of tunes
you like and start learning them start to finish, one song at a time
:)
-- In , Dan Bartley <bigtwangguy@y...>
wrote:
> I think a guitar teacher is a good idea, not to learn a particular
style, but to learn music in general and how it applies to the guitar.
You then take this knowledge and use it with the style you want to
play. You'll have many creative doors open for you. It's best to find
an old teacher, because when that teacher learned to play there was no
rock'n roll and guitar players had to know as much as horn and piano
players.
> Dan
>
> Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> --- In , Rob Campbell <mantid@g...> wrote:
>
> > I'm really surprised at how little "how-to" there is out there for
> the
> > surf sound. I guess it is a little more obscure than I thought. I
> > see a couple books on amazon, but they look like they are just
> > Ventures and Dick Dale notations with probably a couple paragrahs
> that
> > say "use reverb". Is there much more instruction that can be put
> into
> > words? How did you all learn to play Surf Guitar? Is it worth
> > it/possible to find a teacher? Is listening to it and trying to
> mimic
> > it the best approach?
>
> Yeah, I kinda think you are making it too hard and over analyzing it.
> I don't think there is that much instruction required. Remember this
> music was started by teenagers with minimal equipment. Get a good
> guitar with a whammy bar, single coils are a plus, but not necessary
> at first, and a clean sounding amp. Obtain some reverb; again, this is
> optional at first. Then just sit down and try to learn some songs.
> Learning songs by ear is very, very hard at first but it is the key (I
> think) to getting somewhere.
>
> As far as a teacher goes, that is an individual thing. Probably the
> best thing you can do is get a friend and learn together or have
> him/her give you some pointers.
>
> Good luck!
>
> BN
>
>
>
>
--- In , "mom_surfing" <intheeye@b...> wrote:
>[...]
> probably the best thing you can do is find a cd of tunes
> you like and start learning them start to finish, one song at a time
> :)
Mom speaks the truth. This helped me a lot. I made a CD-R of 1st wave
tunes and then just learned each one (or tried to) and played along
every night. I saw the most improvement in my playing in years doing
this. Think of it as your set list and just work on it.
BN
Now back to your eBay watching.... :(
