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The Indo influence is what set apart the Treble Spankers (NL) in the
90s. They covered "Black Eyes" and other Indo classics along with
their own originals that were Indo-influenced.
--- In , "Gavin Ehringer"
<gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> What an interesting little diversion...Indo instro bands in the
1950s & early 1960s, who'd
> have thunk it. I'd really like to hear a few of the better
recordings, if they exist. The article
> stated that the Indo bands didn't record much, but you'd think
there's some recording out
> there. Does anybody on the list have any? If so, perhaps they could
post a (good) song
> sample to the site?
>
> Gavin
>
> P.S. It's notable (at least to me) that instro music was popping up
all over in the early
> 1960s, not just in California. There was Australia (The Atlantics),
England (The Shadows),
> the interior U.S. (The Trashmen, The Astronauts) and this Indo
phenomena. Quite cool!
>
>
> > We had a small and inconclusive thread about the Tielman brothers and
> > Indo rock a while back.
Are you sure about that? I've always heard that Frank was way into
arabic and north african ethnic music, but i never heard of the indo-
connection?
I just ordered his recent solo album 'dead man surfin'" (not strictly
surf) and the fisrt album of the Phantom4 (spankersh as far as eastern
influences go, but more raw sound) with him - I'll post a review when I
got 'em. I'll drop him a line and ask about the indo-connection.
WR
--- In , "spskins" <superchimp9@h...>
wrote:
> The Indo influence is what set apart the Treble Spankers (NL) in the
> 90s. They covered "Black Eyes" and other Indo classics along with
> their own originals that were Indo-influenced.
--- In , "mono_tones_1" <rockverb@h...>
wrote:
> Are you sure about that?
Well, as I said, they did "Black Eyes", which is a classic Indo tune.
Did anyone else from the 90s do any Indo covers? I guess it was more a
"tip of the hat" than an overbearing influence. But, I was friends
with Frank Sloos, the drummer, and have spent time in Holland with
other friends of his sitting around listening to Indo and other Dutch
instrumentals and getting the Dutch music history lesson, (for what
it's worth). While the TS definitely had the Arabic/North African
vibe, the thing to remember about Indo was that it wasn't as eastern
or Asian "sounding" as it was the interpretation of rock instrumentals
by people who happened to originally be from that part of the world.
Like "Black Eyes" and the Tielman clip, most Indo is not original
songs, they're mostly classic western songs played a new way. A lot
of it sounds like fast 50s instrumental rock and roll. The Indo
trademark was more their fast and ambitious guitar playing (as seen in
the Tielman clip)than the use of certain scales or riffs.
As always, I'm not a guitar player, but thought I'd chime in.
PS If you ever get the chance check out the version of "Goldfinger" by
ZZ and De Maskers (not Indo, but Dutch). It rules.
I've always heard that Frank was way into
> arabic and north african ethnic music, but i never heard of the indo-
> connection?
>
> I just ordered his recent solo album 'dead man surfin'" (not strictly
> surf) and the fisrt album of the Phantom4 (spankersh as far as eastern
> influences go, but more raw sound) with him - I'll post a review when I
> got 'em. I'll drop him a line and ask about the indo-connection.
>
> WR
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "spskins" <superchimp9@h...>
> wrote:
> > The Indo influence is what set apart the Treble Spankers (NL) in the
> > 90s. They covered "Black Eyes" and other Indo classics along with
> > their own originals that were Indo-influenced.
--- In , "spskins" <superchimp9@h...>
wrote:
> --- In , "mono_tones_1" <rockverb@h...>
> wrote:
> > Are you sure about that?
> Well, as I said, they did "Black Eyes", which is a classic Indo
tune.
Okay, so there is were the confusion comes from, sorry. I was never
aware that black eyes was an indo-tune, and/or that the treble
spankers got it from there.
Black eyes, aka dark eyes is a trad I think Russian folk song. I have
a lot of versions, mostly jazz, the best one being by
Gillespie/Stitt/Getz with an awesome herb ellis on guitar, recorded
in 1956. that version is on `for musicians only' and on a verve jazz
masters (!!!!!) serie, no 25.
In the last decade, a LOT of refugees have come in to western europe
from the Balkan, since the wars there obviously. A lot of them are
street musicians, and most of them have dark eyes / black eyes in
their repertoire. If you walk around a major city in the netherlands
for a couple of days and NOT hear the song, it's a damn coincedence.
my point is you could pick up that song easily without even knowing
of the indo-scene, and you could easliy hear TS play it and think
they got it somewhere else, so I just never made the connection but
I'll gladly take your word for it that it came to the spankers thru
indo rock. Actually quite interesting.
Pure coincidence, just two weeks ago I saw a Russian accordionist in
front of Rotterdam train station, playing mostly classical music. I
asked him if he could play a bit of dark eyes, hummed it for him, he
went `oh that song' and played a snippet, which I recorded on the
mp3player I uploaded it to the files section.
Great stuff, all this. awesome that you know frank sloos and know so
much about dutch music. there is a tune on satan's pilgrims plymouth
rock called the outsider, which i think is a tribute to dutch 60's
band the outsiders - of "touch" fame, also done by the Lyres. we
Dutch do get around sometimes!
WR
--- In , "mono_tones_1" <rockverb@h...>
wrote:
> Okay, so there is were the confusion comes from, sorry. I was
never
> aware that black eyes was an indo-tune, and/or that the treble
> spankers got it from there.
>
> my point is you could pick up that song easily without even
knowing
> of the indo-scene, and you could easliy hear TS play it and think
> they got it somewhere else, so I just never made the connection
Off the top of my head I can think of two sixties US surf bands that
recorded it as well: the Tornadoes (though mistitled
as "Malaguena" - ooops!!) and Eddie & the Showmen (though not
released until the nineties CD version). I seem to remember more
versions, but I can't remember by whom....
> I'll gladly take your word for it that it came to the spankers
thru
> indo rock. Actually quite interesting.
Well, if you look at the liner notes of the first version
of "Araban", the Treble Spankers first CD, it does connect the TS'
version of Black Eyes/Dark Eyes to Indo Rock. So, I think there's
something to the connection.
The liner notes are quite funny, actually. I remember they say
something like: "the indo rock shows were so crazy that had he been
present they would surely have given good old Hank Marvin explosive
diarrhea!" (Or something like that, going strictly from the memory
here, as I'm not home.)
:)
Ivan
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
wrote:
> --- In , "mono_tones_1"
<rockverb@h...>
> wrote:
>
> Off the top of my head I can think of two sixties US surf bands
that
> recorded it as well: the Tornadoes (though mistitled
> as "Malaguena" - ooops!!) and Eddie & the Showmen (though not
> released until the nineties CD version). I seem to remember more
> versions, but I can't remember by whom....
>
Yep, I remebered other surf versions too - just didn't think they got
there thru indo-rock. the Gillespie one is the oldest one i know -
either way, it's a really, really, really common folk song for anyone
east of berlin.
So to me, in 2005, it's a bit like recording Swan Lake as a tribute
to the Nebulas. while it should be a tribute to Madness!!!!
> Well, if you look at the liner notes of the first version
> of "Araban", the Treble Spankers first CD, it does connect the TS'
> version of Black Eyes/Dark Eyes to Indo Rock. So, I think there's
> something to the connection.
I got the second edition - as a copy, for which i actually asked and
got permission from the managment - I wanted two, and there were only
a coupkle left so I asked if i could copy it. I kept the copy, the
original want to one of the nebulas.
rereading the liner notes, the 2nd edition has the indo remark too -
never noticed it, or thought nothing of it, or it slipped my mind.
> The liner notes are quite funny, actually.
treble spankers have great sense of humor - remember araban "her hair
was as black as the socks from El Castillo, the famous Bandito that
stole from the rich, and killed the poor"
recording "go west" is humourous in itself - i think recording it was
an assignment or something, there was something with it but i cant
remember.
WR
there is a tune on satan's pilgrims plymouth
> rock called the outsider, which i think is a tribute to dutch 60's
> band the outsiders - of "touch" fame,
You are correct sir! We wrote that in tribute to the Outsiders,
especially Ronnie Splinter's guitar work and the syncopation of the
rhythm section. We used listen to tons of Nederbeat while driving
around on tour, Q65, ZZ and de Maskers, Cuby & the Blizzards, The
Cats, etc...But the Outsiders were our faves. RIP Wally Tax. The SP
song "Boneshaker" is also an attempt at Nederbeat.
also done by the Lyres. The Lyres did a lot to spread the Outsiders
legend around the US along with the Tell-Tale Hearts.
we
> Dutch do get around sometimes!
You do indeed. I didn't realize you were Dutch, you should have said
"hijabeck lull!" (sorry about my spelling) when I first started typing
out my ass.
-Ted
>
> WR
a couple of "Dark Eyes"
The Revelairs, Eddie and the Showmen, The Chessmen, Les Paul and his
Trio
--- ipongrac <> wrote:
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--- In , "mono_tones_1" <rockverb@h...>
wrote:
> Okay, so there is were the confusion comes from, sorry. I was
never
> aware that black eyes was an indo-tune, and/or that the treble
> spankers got it from there.
>
> my point is you could pick up that song easily without even
knowing
> of the indo-scene, and you could easliy hear TS play it and think
> they got it somewhere else, so I just never made the connection
Off the top of my head I can think of two sixties US surf bands that
recorded it as well: the Tornadoes (though mistitled
as "Malaguena" - ooops!!) and Eddie & the Showmen (though not
released until the nineties CD version). I seem to remember more
versions, but I can't remember by whom....
> I'll gladly take your word for it that it came to the spankers
thru
> indo rock. Actually quite interesting.
Well, if you look at the liner notes of the first version
of "Araban", the Treble Spankers first CD, it does connect the TS'
version of Black Eyes/Dark Eyes to Indo Rock. So, I think there's
something to the connection.
The liner notes are quite funny, actually. I remember they say
something like: "the indo rock shows were so crazy that had he been
present they would surely have given good old Hank Marvin explosive
diarrhea!" (Or something like that, going strictly from the memory
here, as I'm not home.)
:)
Ivan
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Dark Eyes is one of my favorite numbers. The Treblemakers did it in
the 90s.
You can hear our version here -
Bil
--- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...>
wrote:
> a couple of "Dark Eyes"
> The Revelairs, Eddie and the Showmen, The Chessmen, Les Paul and
his
> Trio
>
> --- ipongrac <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
>
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> --- In , "mono_tones_1"
<rockverb@h...>
> wrote:
>
> > Okay, so there is were the confusion comes from, sorry. I was
> never
> > aware that black eyes was an indo-tune, and/or that the treble
> > spankers got it from there.
> >
> > my point is you could pick up that song easily without even
> knowing
> > of the indo-scene, and you could easliy hear TS play it and
think
> > they got it somewhere else, so I just never made the connection
>
> Off the top of my head I can think of two sixties US surf bands
that
> recorded it as well: the Tornadoes (though mistitled
> as "Malaguena" - ooops!!) and Eddie & the Showmen (though not
> released until the nineties CD version). I seem to remember more
> versions, but I can't remember by whom....
>
> > I'll gladly take your word for it that it came to the spankers
> thru
> > indo rock. Actually quite interesting.
>
> Well, if you look at the liner notes of the first version
> of "Araban", the Treble Spankers first CD, it does connect the TS'
> version of Black Eyes/Dark Eyes to Indo Rock. So, I think there's
> something to the connection.
>
> The liner notes are quite funny, actually. I remember they say
> something like: "the indo rock shows were so crazy that had he
been
> present they would surely have given good old Hank Marvin
explosive
> diarrhea!" (Or something like that, going strictly from the
memory
> here, as I'm not home.)
>
> :)
>
> Ivan
>
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--- In , "spskins" <superchimp9@h...> wrote:
> there is a tune on satan's pilgrims plymouth
> > rock called the outsider, which i think is a tribute to dutch 60's
> > band the outsiders - of "touch" fame,
> You are correct sir! We wrote that in tribute to the Outsiders,
> especially Ronnie Splinter's guitar work and the syncopation of the
> rhythm section. We used listen to tons of Nederbeat while driving
> around on tour, Q65, ZZ and de Maskers, Cuby & the Blizzards, The
> Cats, etc...But the Outsiders were our faves. RIP Wally Tax. The SP
> song "Boneshaker" is also an attempt at Nederbeat.
Ted, you guys (Satan's Pilgrims), and a lot of bands I admire, seem to
be very schooled on not only old school surf, but interesting side
genres like this. Where in the world did you come into contact with
this "Nederbeat" that you speak of? :) And where did you get music by
all these bands you mention above?
BN
>Hey BN,
My first experience was when I found the first Shocking Blue (Venus)
album here in the US when I was a teenager. I fell in love with it and
began to try and find more Dutch 60s stuff.
There are quite a few Nederbeat comps out there, plus cd versions of
the full-lengths by the Outsiders and Q 65. 10, 15 years ago there
wasn't as much available and as I mentioned, I was lucky to have Dutch
friends and the chance to be in Amsterdam quite a bit ;). (for some
reason there was always a lot of Portland-Amsterdam traffic).
My friend Gerry Berthauer had a label called Semaphore that put out
the European version of Around the World With...over there and tried
to give us more exposure in Europe. Through him I met Frank Sloos and
other Spankers. Gerry and his buddies would take me around to
Amsterdam record stores and made me cassettes of Indo and harder to
find stuff. We also went to the house boat of Wally Tax (singer for
the Outsiders) with a bottle of tequila (required for entry).
Unfortunately, he was not there.
A lot of Dutch bands had a big English influence (Kinks, Pretty
Things), but took it and made it their own. You've also probably
heard of Golden Earring (Radar Love) they were originally The Golden
Earrings and were quite a good beat band..There's a lot of good stuff
out there if you like 60s beat and garage. When they sing in Eglish,
they have a cool accent that can be quite unique, and when they sing
in Dutch, it can be really rockin' (all those gutteral consonants).
ZZ and De Maskers (who wore masks ala the Phantom Surfers) tried to
break over here by doing a single backing Chubby Checker "Stopping In
Las Vegas" which, when I was buzzed enough, I would sometimes sing
while Scott changed a string. The Outsiders and Q65 are probably the
best places to start.
PS I was also able to recently download a 3 volume Nederbeat comp on
Soulseek-a lot of Europeans with Euro stuff on there.
> Ted, you guys (Satan's Pilgrims), and a lot of bands I admire, seem to
> be very schooled on not only old school surf, but interesting side
> genres like this. Where in the world did you come into contact with
> this "Nederbeat" that you speak of? :) And where did you get music by
> all these bands you mention above?
>
> BN
