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Does anybody use a Gretsch with a RI tank? I play those through a '63 Tremolux,
and although the amp is clean, the sound seems to be just too wild and treblely.
It seems that the Tone knob is the culprit, but if I turn it down too much ,
then there's not enough, well, tone. Is this an issue with Fender guitars? Or
perhaps just a hollowbody thing? Keep in mind, the Gretsch is not vibrating or
feeding back, and the tone is very clean, but it seems like it's all or nothing
with that tank.
Dan
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My ¢.02: I've had two Reissue tanks, and both were trebly to distraction. And
this was with
Fender solidbody guitars - my Strat was the worst offender. I am now searching
for a new
"Grail" of reverb units, one that gives me better control over the treble
response. The
problem with the Strat/tank combo, of course, was not having control over the
bridge
pickup treble on the guitar, so no way to compensate before the reverb (I
already set my
Twin Reverb amp low on treble).
So, yes, I think the reissue tank can be terribly trebly. At least, mine both
were. I think the
Guyatone looks promising, as it has more control over various aspects of the
tone.
I wonder if there isn't some way to tame the treble on the Reissue tanks - it
may not be as
much a problem for some guitars as others, and in some of the reissue tanks as
with
others.
Gavin
--- In , Dan Bartley <bigtwangguy@y...> wrote:
> Does anybody use a Gretsch with a RI tank? I play those through a '63
Tremolux, and
although the amp is clean, the sound seems to be just too wild and treblely. It
seems that
the Tone knob is the culprit, but if I turn it down too much , then there's not
enough, well,
tone. Is this an issue with Fender guitars? Or perhaps just a hollowbody thing?
Keep in
mind, the Gretsch is not vibrating or feeding back, and the tone is very clean,
but it seems
like it's all or nothing with that tank.
> Dan
>
>
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Rather than blame the Reverb Unit, blame Leo Fender (and all his successors at
Fender) for failing to wire the Strat to its potentials! Having TWO tone pots,
with NO control on the bridge p/u has always struck me as bass-ackwards! In
addition, having no factory switching allowing one to use the two outer pickups,
(or all 3) seems to minimize the guitar's overall tonal range.
I've said before, (and then been attacked by several "younger" members) that
playing a Strat with just the neck/bridge combo, gives a Jaguar-esque sound,
which is quite fine for playing surf music, especially if your axe of choice
happens to be a Strat - Let's face it that not ALL surf guitarists happen to
particularly prefer the Jag, and there are quite a few Strat-players out there.
The caveat here is the sound is not a 100% duplication of the Jag - it's
brighter and more open sounding for one thing, and then the Strat tailpiece
provides more sustain than the Jag bridge/tailpiece set-up. Having said all
that, if you use this position, dial the treble back just a touch, dial the tone
knob back just a touch, you can play a Strat, AND get purdy close to the classic
Jag sound. Don't argue with me unless you've actually performed a side-by-side
test yourself, or were there as a direct witness to such a test. ASSuming
without direct knowledge is offensive and asinine. Try this out
for yourself, and see how you either like it or not!
For y'all's enlightenment and edification, I've posted in the Photos section of
this group, a "before" and "after" schematic showing first the standard wiring
connnections on a standard Strat, and then showing the connections to make to
achieve the following:
All SEVEN p/u combinations at your command!
The bottom pot now functions as Master Tone on ALL 3 pickups!
No drilling because no additional switches or controls need be added to the
circuit.
The mod calls for replacing the pickup switch with the old-fashioned 3-position
switch, and the way you access the pickups is as follows:
The 3-way p/u switch functions for bridge and neck p/u's ONLY, similar to a Les
Paul or Jazzmaster
The top volume knob is Master Volume for the neck and bridge pickups ONLY.
The middle knob is now Volume dedicated to the middle pickup ONLY and bypasses
the pickup switch entirely.
The bottom knob is now Master Tone for any and all pickups.
Now, you can play that R/I tank, and dial back the tone on the bridge pickup,
the way Fender should have made it possible to do in the factory!
Gavin Ehringer <> wrote:
My ¢.02: I've had two Reissue tanks, and both were trebly to distraction. And
this was with
Fender solidbody guitars - my Strat was the worst offender. I am now searching
for a new
"Grail" of reverb units, one that gives me better control over the treble
response. The
problem with the Strat/tank combo, of course, was not having control over the
bridge
pickup treble on the guitar, so no way to compensate before the reverb (I
already set my
Twin Reverb amp low on treble).
So, yes, I think the reissue tank can be terribly trebly. At least, mine both
were. I think the
Guyatone looks promising, as it has more control over various aspects of the
tone.
I wonder if there isn't some way to tame the treble on the Reissue tanks - it
may not be as
much a problem for some guitars as others, and in some of the reissue tanks as
with
others.
Gavin
--- In , Dan Bartley <bigtwangguy@y...> wrote:
> Does anybody use a Gretsch with a RI tank? I play those through a '63
Tremolux, and
although the amp is clean, the sound seems to be just too wild and treblely. It
seems that
the Tone knob is the culprit, but if I turn it down too much , then there's not
enough, well,
tone. Is this an issue with Fender guitars? Or perhaps just a hollowbody thing?
Keep in
mind, the Gretsch is not vibrating or feeding back, and the tone is very clean,
but it seems
like it's all or nothing with that tank.
> Dan
>
>
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Clever, Bruce. Clever.
Gavin
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
> Rather than blame the Reverb Unit, blame Leo Fender (and all his successors at
Fender)
for failing to wire the Strat to its potentials! Having TWO tone pots, with NO
control on the
bridge p/u has always struck me as bass-ackwards! In addition, having no factory
switching allowing one to use the two outer pickups, (or all 3) seems to
minimize the
guitar's overall tonal range.
>
> I've said before, (and then been attacked by several "younger" members) that
playing a
Strat with just the neck/bridge combo, gives a Jaguar-esque sound, which is
quite fine for
playing surf music, especially if your axe of choice happens to be a Strat -
Let's face it that
not ALL surf guitarists happen to particularly prefer the Jag, and there are
quite a few
Strat-players out there. The caveat here is the sound is not a 100% duplication
of the Jag
- it's brighter and more open sounding for one thing, and then the Strat
tailpiece provides
more sustain than the Jag bridge/tailpiece set-up. Having said all that, if you
use this
position, dial the treble back just a touch, dial the tone knob back just a
touch, you can
play a Strat, AND get purdy close to the classic Jag sound. Don't argue with me
unless
you've actually performed a side-by-side test yourself, or were there as a
direct witness to
such a test. ASSuming without direct knowledge is offensive and asinine. Try
this out
> for yourself, and see how you either like it or not!
>
> For y'all's enlightenment and edification, I've posted in the Photos section
of this group,
a "before" and "after" schematic showing first the standard wiring connnections
on a
standard Strat, and then showing the connections to make to achieve the
following:
>
> All SEVEN p/u combinations at your command!
> The bottom pot now functions as Master Tone on ALL 3 pickups!
> No drilling because no additional switches or controls need be added to the
circuit.
>
> The mod calls for replacing the pickup switch with the old-fashioned
3-position switch,
and the way you access the pickups is as follows:
>
> The 3-way p/u switch functions for bridge and neck p/u's ONLY, similar to a
Les Paul or
Jazzmaster
>
> The top volume knob is Master Volume for the neck and bridge pickups ONLY.
>
> The middle knob is now Volume dedicated to the middle pickup ONLY and bypasses
the
pickup switch entirely.
>
> The bottom knob is now Master Tone for any and all pickups.
>
> Now, you can play that R/I tank, and dial back the tone on the bridge pickup,
the way
Fender should have made it possible to do in the factory!
>
> Gavin Ehringer <gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> My ¢.02: I've had two Reissue tanks, and both were trebly to distraction. And
this was
with
> Fender solidbody guitars - my Strat was the worst offender. I am now searching
for a
new
> "Grail" of reverb units, one that gives me better control over the treble
response. The
> problem with the Strat/tank combo, of course, was not having control over the
bridge
> pickup treble on the guitar, so no way to compensate before the reverb (I
already set my
> Twin Reverb amp low on treble).
>
> So, yes, I think the reissue tank can be terribly trebly. At least, mine both
were. I think
the
> Guyatone looks promising, as it has more control over various aspects of the
tone.
>
> I wonder if there isn't some way to tame the treble on the Reissue tanks - it
may not be
as
> much a problem for some guitars as others, and in some of the reissue tanks as
with
> others.
>
> Gavin
>
>
> --- In , Dan Bartley <bigtwangguy@y...> wrote:
> > Does anybody use a Gretsch with a RI tank? I play those through a '63
Tremolux, and
> although the amp is clean, the sound seems to be just too wild and treblely.
It seems
that
> the Tone knob is the culprit, but if I turn it down too much , then there's
not enough,
well,
> tone. Is this an issue with Fender guitars? Or perhaps just a hollowbody
thing? Keep in
> mind, the Gretsch is not vibrating or feeding back, and the tone is very
clean, but it
seems
> like it's all or nothing with that tank.
> > Dan
> >
> >
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