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My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked Jazzmaster. There was a
ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit - way more than I can
get out of my reissue. Is that a common distinction between the RI
and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some way? Or is my
particular unit somehow deficient?
Danny Snyder
--- In , Ferenc Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
wrote:
> Brian,
> Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been out of
> town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all the
> list activity.
> The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle was
> myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm guitar,
> John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again Rick.
> Ferenc
>
> --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
>
> > --- In , "holyreveb"
> > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > I wanted to know if this is the right place for
> > this or should there be
> > > a new group which just talks about music theory,
> > composition,
> > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to Surf
> > music.
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
> > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > remember you were here
> > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf again
> > and are back on
> > the list!
> >
> > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> >
> > BN
> >
> > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I think I
> > saw Ferenc in the
> > video clip...?
> >
> > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my face
> > red.
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Yahoo! Sports
> Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
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I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our lead guitarists
unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The vintage just has a
better sound.
--- In , "Danny Snyder" <snydr@s...> wrote:
> My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked Jazzmaster. There was a
> ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit - way more than I can
> get out of my reissue. Is that a common distinction between the RI
> and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some way? Or is my
> particular unit somehow deficient?
>
> Danny Snyder
>
>
>
> --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> wrote:
> > Brian,
> > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been out of
> > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all the
> > list activity.
> > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle was
> > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm guitar,
> > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again Rick.
> > Ferenc
> >
> > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In , "holyreveb"
> > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place for
> > > this or should there be
> > > > a new group which just talks about music theory,
> > > composition,
> > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to Surf
> > > music.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > >
> > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > remember you were here
> > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf again
> > > and are back on
> > > the list!
> > >
> > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > >
> > > BN
> > >
> > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I think I
> > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > video clip...?
> > >
> > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my face
> > > red.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Yahoo! Sports
> > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
> >
Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll have
to figure out how you can make what you have work for
you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip like
you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the drip
comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute the
strings almost to the point of sending them out of
tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but it
is important to have the p/u switch in the middle with
both p/us on.
ferenc
--- Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
> I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our
lead guitarists
> unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> vintage just has a better sound.
>
> --- In , "Danny Snyder"
> <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> Jazzmaster. There was a
> > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> way more than I can
> > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> distinction between the RI
> > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> way? Or is my
> > particular unit somehow deficient?
> >
> > Danny Snyder
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , Ferenc
> Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Brian,
> > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been
> out of
> > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all
> the
> > > list activity.
> > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> was
> > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> guitar,
> > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> Rick.
> > > Ferenc
> > >
> > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In ,
> "holyreveb"
> > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place
> for
> > > > this or should there be
> > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> theory,
> > > > composition,
> > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to
> Surf
> > > > music.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > > remember you were here
> > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf
> again
> > > > and are back on
> > > > the list!
> > > >
> > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > >
> > > > BN
> > > >
> > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> think I
> > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > video clip...?
> > > >
> > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my
> face
> > > > red.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ____________________________________________________
>
> > > Yahoo! Sports
> > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy
> Football
> > >
>
>
>
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For the RI, there is absolutely a difference if you swap out the
tubes for NOS tubes, especially the 6V6 for the 6K6. Go for a
quality 12AX7; the 12AX7EHs w/ gold contacts are great.
7-7-7 is pretty close to what I run when I use the RI tank. A lot
depends on your pickup output too; you may have to up your dwell or
adjust your pickups, or maybe run a preamp if your pickups are
especially weak. The cap mod is also a recommended patch.
--- In , Ferenc Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
wrote:
> Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll have
> to figure out how you can make what you have work for
> you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
> that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
> but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip like
> you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the drip
> comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute the
> strings almost to the point of sending them out of
> tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
> Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but it
> is important to have the p/u switch in the middle with
> both p/us on.
> ferenc
>
> --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
> > I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our
> lead guitarists
> > unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> > vintage just has a better sound.
> >
> > --- In , "Danny Snyder"
> > <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> > Jazzmaster. There was a
> > > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> > way more than I can
> > > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> > distinction between the RI
> > > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> > way? Or is my
> > > particular unit somehow deficient?
> > >
> > > Danny Snyder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Ferenc
> > Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Brian,
> > > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been
> > out of
> > > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all
> > the
> > > > list activity.
> > > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> > was
> > > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> > guitar,
> > > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> > Rick.
> > > > Ferenc
> > > >
> > > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --- In ,
> > "holyreveb"
> > > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place
> > for
> > > > > this or should there be
> > > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> > theory,
> > > > > composition,
> > > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to
> > Surf
> > > > > music.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rick
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > > > remember you were here
> > > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf
> > again
> > > > > and are back on
> > > > > the list!
> > > > >
> > > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > > >
> > > > > BN
> > > > >
> > > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> > think I
> > > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > > video clip...?
> > > > >
> > > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my
> > face
> > > > > red.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > ____________________________________________________
> >
> > > > Yahoo! Sports
> > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy
> > Football
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Yahoo! Sports
> Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
>
I just tried muting the putting a lot of pressure on the strings to
the point where they almost go out of tune. It is a lot drippy and a
different sound. I really like it. I found it to sound more clear as well.
--- In , Ferenc Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
wrote:
> Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll have
> to figure out how you can make what you have work for
> you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
> that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
> but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip like
> you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the drip
> comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute the
> strings almost to the point of sending them out of
> tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
> Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but it
> is important to have the p/u switch in the middle with
> both p/us on.
> ferenc
>
> --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
> > I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our
> lead guitarists
> > unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> > vintage just has a better sound.
> >
> > --- In , "Danny Snyder"
> > <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> > Jazzmaster. There was a
> > > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> > way more than I can
> > > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> > distinction between the RI
> > > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> > way? Or is my
> > > particular unit somehow deficient?
> > >
> > > Danny Snyder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Ferenc
> > Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Brian,
> > > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been
> > out of
> > > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all
> > the
> > > > list activity.
> > > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> > was
> > > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> > guitar,
> > > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> > Rick.
> > > > Ferenc
> > > >
> > > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --- In ,
> > "holyreveb"
> > > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place
> > for
> > > > > this or should there be
> > > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> > theory,
> > > > > composition,
> > > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to
> > Surf
> > > > > music.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rick
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > > > remember you were here
> > > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf
> > again
> > > > > and are back on
> > > > > the list!
> > > > >
> > > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > > >
> > > > > BN
> > > > >
> > > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> > think I
> > > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > > video clip...?
> > > > >
> > > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my
> > face
> > > > > red.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > ____________________________________________________
> >
> > > > Yahoo! Sports
> > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy
> > Football
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Yahoo! Sports
> Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
>
I recently took my RI apart 'cause it had seriously lost it's drip and overall
reverb factor (yes, the spring lock was released). At 7-7-7, it wasn't even
acheiveing the reverb of a standard built-in reverb on a Twin. I thought maybe a
spring had come unhinged. I removed the cage and gave it a good shake and visual
check but both springs were firmly connected as they should have been. I could
find nothing out of the ordinary.
When I zipped the RI Tank back together, it worked beautifully with the extreme
depth of reverb and spit at 7-7-7. I'm guessing that maybe one of the springs
was caught on the interior foam pad and when I shook it, it came loose or
something like that. Anyways, this standard unmodded tank sounds wonderful.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Ferenc Dobronyi
To:
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb question / was Woodies, was Re:Surf -
music theory and other geek speak
Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll have
to figure out how you can make what you have work for
you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip like
you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the drip
comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute the
strings almost to the point of sending them out of
tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but it
is important to have the p/u switch in the middle with
both p/us on.
ferenc
--- Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
> I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our
lead guitarists
> unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> vintage just has a better sound.
>
> --- In , "Danny Snyder"
> <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> Jazzmaster. There was a
> > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> way more than I can
> > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> distinction between the RI
> > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> way? Or is my
> > particular unit somehow deficient?
> >
> > Danny Snyder
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , Ferenc
> Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Brian,
> > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been
> out of
> > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all
> the
> > > list activity.
> > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> was
> > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> guitar,
> > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> Rick.
> > > Ferenc
> > >
> > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In ,
> "holyreveb"
> > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place
> for
> > > > this or should there be
> > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> theory,
> > > > composition,
> > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to
> Surf
> > > > music.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > > remember you were here
> > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf
> again
> > > > and are back on
> > > > the list!
> > > >
> > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > >
> > > > BN
> > > >
> > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> think I
> > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > video clip...?
> > > >
> > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my
> face
> > > > red.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ____________________________________________________
>
> > > Yahoo! Sports
> > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy
> Football
> > >
>
>
>
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I did the blinfold A/B comparison to two vintage units when I purchased my RI.
The sound was the same. The RI tone control achieved more brightness at it's max
setting but that was the only difference I could detect. Of course, the
brightness is where a lot of the drip lives so maybe more drip is possible from
the RI.
I want to second what someone else here mentioned about pickup output
contributing to the depth of reverb. A low output pickup is going to reduce the
amount of reverb at a given setting.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Dobner
To:
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:20 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb question / was Woodies, was Re:Surf - music
theory and other geek speak
I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our lead guitarists
unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The vintage just has a
better sound.
--- In , "Danny Snyder" <snydr@s...> wrote:
> My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked Jazzmaster. There was a
> ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit - way more than I can
> get out of my reissue. Is that a common distinction between the RI
> and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some way? Or is my
> particular unit somehow deficient?
>
> Danny Snyder
>
>
>
> --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> wrote:
> > Brian,
> > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been out of
> > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all the
> > list activity.
> > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle was
> > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm guitar,
> > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again Rick.
> > Ferenc
> >
> > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In , "holyreveb"
> > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place for
> > > this or should there be
> > > > a new group which just talks about music theory,
> > > composition,
> > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to Surf
> > > music.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > >
> > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > remember you were here
> > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf again
> > > and are back on
> > > the list!
> > >
> > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > >
> > > BN
> > >
> > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I think I
> > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > video clip...?
> > >
> > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my face
> > > red.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Yahoo! Sports
> > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
> >
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Sure Marty, or maybe that spring got released from you kicking the S**T out of
your tank................ ;D
Billy
---- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> I recently took my RI apart 'cause it had seriously lost it's drip and overall
reverb factor (yes, the spring lock was released). At 7-7-7, it wasn't even
acheiveing the reverb of a standard built-in reverb on a Twin. I thought maybe a
spring had come unhinged. I removed the cage and gave it a good shake and visual
check but both springs were firmly connected as they should have been. I could
find nothing out of the ordinary.
>
> When I zipped the RI Tank back together, it worked beautifully with the
extreme depth of reverb and spit at 7-7-7. I'm guessing that maybe one of the
springs was caught on the interior foam pad and when I shook it, it came loose
or something like that. Anyways, this standard unmodded tank sounds wonderful.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ferenc Dobronyi
> To:
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb question / was Woodies, was Re:Surf -
music theory and other geek speak
>
>
> Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll have
> to figure out how you can make what you have work for
> you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
> that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
> but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip like
> you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the drip
> comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute the
> strings almost to the point of sending them out of
> tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
> Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but it
> is important to have the p/u switch in the middle with
> both p/us on.
> ferenc
>
> --- Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
>
> > I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our
> lead guitarists
> > unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> > vintage just has a better sound.
> >
> > --- In , "Danny Snyder"
> > <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> > Jazzmaster. There was a
> > > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> > way more than I can
> > > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> > distinction between the RI
> > > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> > way? Or is my
> > > particular unit somehow deficient?
> > >
> > > Danny Snyder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Ferenc
> > Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Brian,
> > > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been
> > out of
> > > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all
> > the
> > > > list activity.
> > > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> > was
> > > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> > guitar,
> > > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> > Rick.
> > > > Ferenc
> > > >
> > > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --- In ,
> > "holyreveb"
> > > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place
> > for
> > > > > this or should there be
> > > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> > theory,
> > > > > composition,
> > > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to
> > Surf
> > > > > music.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rick
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > > > remember you were here
> > > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf
> > again
> > > > > and are back on
> > > > > the list!
> > > > >
> > > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > > >
> > > > > BN
> > > > >
> > > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> > think I
> > > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > > video clip...?
> > > > >
> > > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my
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> > > > > red.
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do you have a brand preference on those tubes? good old
NOS GE tubes...or more modern makers? Any mods needed for
the tube swap, or is it a matter of a straight-forward
exchange: new for old?
thanks,
-dp
--- red_thundr <> wrote:
> For the RI, there is absolutely a difference if you swap
> out the
> tubes for NOS tubes, especially the 6V6 for the 6K6. Go
> for a
> quality 12AX7; the 12AX7EHs w/ gold contacts are great.
>
> 7-7-7 is pretty close to what I run when I use the RI
> tank. A lot
> depends on your pickup output too; you may have to up
> your dwell or
> adjust your pickups, or maybe run a preamp if your
> pickups are
> especially weak. The cap mod is also a recommended
> patch.
>
>
>
> --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
> <ferencnd@y...>
> wrote:
> > Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll have
> > to figure out how you can make what you have work for
> > you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
> > that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
> > but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip like
> > you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the drip
> > comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute the
> > strings almost to the point of sending them out of
> > tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
> > Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but it
> > is important to have the p/u switch in the middle with
> > both p/us on.
> > ferenc
> >
> > --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our
> > lead guitarists
> > > unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> > > vintage just has a better sound.
> > >
> > > --- In , "Danny Snyder"
> > > <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > > > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> > > Jazzmaster. There was a
> > > > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> > > way more than I can
> > > > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> > > distinction between the RI
> > > > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> > > way? Or is my
> > > > particular unit somehow deficient?
> > > >
> > > > Danny Snyder
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Ferenc
> > > Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Brian,
> > > > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been
> > > out of
> > > > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all
> > > the
> > > > > list activity.
> > > > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> > > was
> > > > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> > > guitar,
> > > > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > > > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > > > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> > > Rick.
> > > > > Ferenc
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In ,
> > > "holyreveb"
> > > > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place
> > > for
> > > > > > this or should there be
> > > > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> > > theory,
> > > > > > composition,
> > > > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to
> > > Surf
> > > > > > music.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > > > > remember you were here
> > > > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf
> > > again
> > > > > > and are back on
> > > > > > the list!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> > > think I
> > > > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > > > video clip...?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my
> > > face
> > > > > > red.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > ____________________________________________________
> > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Sports
> > > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy
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My 6K6 is a vintage RCA, but a GE may work just as well. The 12AX7EH
is an Electro Harmonix gold pin Russian modern Russian tube, which is
about $6 more than the standard 12AX7EH. Great reviews on Harmony
Central. Couldn't believe the great condition the 6K6s were in when I
got them. The contacts were absolutely clean, no scratches whatsoever
on the plastic base. They were straight-off-the-shelf 1964 perfect
new, it was total luck stumbling on those. The tube swap is just
that, pull out the old, push in the new, with a de-energized tank, of
course. The cap mod is obviously more involved, but certainly doable
if you have the time and inclination. Dick Messick's got some nicely
detailed instructions on how to do it.
--- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> do you have a brand preference on those tubes? good old
> NOS GE tubes...or more modern makers? Any mods needed for
> the tube swap, or is it a matter of a straight-forward
> exchange: new for old?
>
> thanks,
> -dp
>
> --- red_thundr <red_thundr@y...> wrote:
>
> > For the RI, there is absolutely a difference if you swap
> > out the
> > tubes for NOS tubes, especially the 6V6 for the 6K6. Go
> > for a
> > quality 12AX7; the 12AX7EHs w/ gold contacts are great.
> >
> > 7-7-7 is pretty close to what I run when I use the RI
> > tank. A lot
> > depends on your pickup output too; you may have to up
> > your dwell or
> > adjust your pickups, or maybe run a preamp if your
> > pickups are
> > especially weak. The cap mod is also a recommended
> > patch.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
> > <ferencnd@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll have
> > > to figure out how you can make what you have work for
> > > you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
> > > that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
> > > but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip like
> > > you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the drip
> > > comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute the
> > > strings almost to the point of sending them out of
> > > tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
> > > Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but it
> > > is important to have the p/u switch in the middle with
> > > both p/us on.
> > > ferenc
> > >
> > > --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our
> > > lead guitarists
> > > > unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> > > > vintage just has a better sound.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "Danny Snyder"
> > > > <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > > > > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> > > > Jazzmaster. There was a
> > > > > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> > > > way more than I can
> > > > > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> > > > distinction between the RI
> > > > > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> > > > way? Or is my
> > > > > particular unit somehow deficient?
> > > > >
> > > > > Danny Snyder
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Ferenc
> > > > Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Brian,
> > > > > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been
> > > > out of
> > > > > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all
> > > > the
> > > > > > list activity.
> > > > > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> > > > was
> > > > > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> > > > guitar,
> > > > > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > > > > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > > > > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> > > > Rick.
> > > > > > Ferenc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In ,
> > > > "holyreveb"
> > > > > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place
> > > > for
> > > > > > > this or should there be
> > > > > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> > > > theory,
> > > > > > > composition,
> > > > > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to
> > > > Surf
> > > > > > > music.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > > > > > remember you were here
> > > > > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf
> > > > again
> > > > > > > and are back on
> > > > > > > the list!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BN
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> > > > think I
> > > > > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > > > > video clip...?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my
> > > > face
> > > > > > > red.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > ____________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Sports
> > > > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy
> > > > Football
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
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thanks for the tip... i think I'll go shopping for some
tubes, i still have the "stock" ones in my re-ish tank.
don't think I'll be messing with the cap mod quite yet...i
like how my re-issue tank sounds...but, the new tubes
sounds like a good idea.
-dp
--- red_thundr <> wrote:
> My 6K6 is a vintage RCA, but a GE may work just as well.
> The 12AX7EH
> is an Electro Harmonix gold pin Russian modern Russian
> tube, which is
> about $6 more than the standard 12AX7EH. Great reviews
> on Harmony
> Central. Couldn't believe the great condition the 6K6s
> were in when I
> got them. The contacts were absolutely clean, no
> scratches whatsoever
> on the plastic base. They were straight-off-the-shelf
> 1964 perfect
> new, it was total luck stumbling on those. The tube swap
> is just
> that, pull out the old, push in the new, with a
> de-energized tank, of
> course. The cap mod is obviously more involved, but
> certainly doable
> if you have the time and inclination. Dick Messick's got
> some nicely
> detailed instructions on how to do it.
>
> --- In , DP <noetical1@y...>
> wrote:
> > do you have a brand preference on those tubes? good
> old
> > NOS GE tubes...or more modern makers? Any mods needed
> for
> > the tube swap, or is it a matter of a straight-forward
> > exchange: new for old?
> >
> > thanks,
> > -dp
> >
> > --- red_thundr <red_thundr@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > For the RI, there is absolutely a difference if you
> swap
> > > out the
> > > tubes for NOS tubes, especially the 6V6 for the 6K6.
> Go
> > > for a
> > > quality 12AX7; the 12AX7EHs w/ gold contacts are
> great.
> > >
> > > 7-7-7 is pretty close to what I run when I use the RI
> > > tank. A lot
> > > depends on your pickup output too; you may have to up
> > > your dwell or
> > > adjust your pickups, or maybe run a preamp if your
> > > pickups are
> > > especially weak. The cap mod is also a recommended
> > > patch.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
> > > <ferencnd@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll
> have
> > > > to figure out how you can make what you have work
> for
> > > > you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
> > > > that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
> > > > but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip
> like
> > > > you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the
> drip
> > > > comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute
> the
> > > > strings almost to the point of sending them out of
> > > > tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
> > > > Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but
> it
> > > > is important to have the p/u switch in the middle
> with
> > > > both p/us on.
> > > > ferenc
> > > >
> > > > --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit.
> Our
> > > > lead guitarists
> > > > > unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> > > > > vintage just has a better sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "Danny
> Snyder"
> > > > > <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> > > > > Jazzmaster. There was a
> > > > > > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> > > > > way more than I can
> > > > > > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> > > > > distinction between the RI
> > > > > > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> > > > > way? Or is my
> > > > > > particular unit somehow deficient?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Danny Snyder
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , Ferenc
> > > > > Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Brian,
> > > > > > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have
> been
> > > > > out of
> > > > > > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with
> all
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > list activity.
> > > > > > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> > > > > guitar,
> > > > > > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the
> Surf
> > > > > > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a
> blast
> > > > > > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> > > > > Rick.
> > > > > > > Ferenc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In ,
> > > > > "holyreveb"
> > > > > > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right
> place
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > this or should there be
> > > > > > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> > > > > theory,
> > > > > > > > composition,
> > > > > > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply
> to
> > > > > Surf
> > > > > > > > music.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rick
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome
> back! I
> > > > > > > > remember you were here
> > > > > > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing
> surf
> > > > > again
> > > > > > > > and are back on
> > > > > > > > the list!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > BN
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > > > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> > > > > think I
> > > > > > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > > > > > video clip...?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is
> my
> > > > > face
> > > > > > > > red.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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I say save your money until you really need new tubes for the RI tank. Doing a
blindfold A/B with two RI Tanks this last spring, one equipped with the NOS
tubes and one with the stock RI tubes no difference in sound was detected at
all. I wasn't the only judge in the scientific test. The guy who had just
purchased the 2nd RI tank with the NOS tubes was the other judge. With a
Jazzmaster through an A/B to two tanks feeding the balanced inputs of a
Bandmaster one of us hit the A/B pedal, sometimes switching between tanks and
sometimes not actually switching. The challenge was to be able to consistently
tell when a switch was actually made. Admittedly, I came in with the attitude
that there would be no difference but I tried to be as objective in my listening
as possible. My friend has the opposite attitude and is very much a vintage gear
guy and the owner of the nice blond Bandmaster. Neither of us could tell one
unit from the other.
-Marty
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Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb question / was Woodies, was Re:Surf - music
theory and other geek speak
My 6K6 is a vintage RCA, but a GE may work just as well. The 12AX7EH
is an Electro Harmonix gold pin Russian modern Russian tube, which is
about $6 more than the standard 12AX7EH. Great reviews on Harmony
Central. Couldn't believe the great condition the 6K6s were in when I
got them. The contacts were absolutely clean, no scratches whatsoever
on the plastic base. They were straight-off-the-shelf 1964 perfect
new, it was total luck stumbling on those. The tube swap is just
that, pull out the old, push in the new, with a de-energized tank, of
course. The cap mod is obviously more involved, but certainly doable
if you have the time and inclination. Dick Messick's got some nicely
detailed instructions on how to do it.
--- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> do you have a brand preference on those tubes? good old
> NOS GE tubes...or more modern makers? Any mods needed for
> the tube swap, or is it a matter of a straight-forward
> exchange: new for old?
>
> thanks,
> -dp
>
> --- red_thundr <red_thundr@y...> wrote:
>
> > For the RI, there is absolutely a difference if you swap
> > out the
> > tubes for NOS tubes, especially the 6V6 for the 6K6. Go
> > for a
> > quality 12AX7; the 12AX7EHs w/ gold contacts are great.
> >
> > 7-7-7 is pretty close to what I run when I use the RI
> > tank. A lot
> > depends on your pickup output too; you may have to up
> > your dwell or
> > adjust your pickups, or maybe run a preamp if your
> > pickups are
> > especially weak. The cap mod is also a recommended
> > patch.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
> > <ferencnd@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll have
> > > to figure out how you can make what you have work for
> > > you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
> > > that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
> > > but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip like
> > > you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the drip
> > > comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute the
> > > strings almost to the point of sending them out of
> > > tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
> > > Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but it
> > > is important to have the p/u switch in the middle with
> > > both p/us on.
> > > ferenc
> > >
> > > --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our
> > > lead guitarists
> > > > unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> > > > vintage just has a better sound.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "Danny Snyder"
> > > > <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > > > > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> > > > Jazzmaster. There was a
> > > > > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> > > > way more than I can
> > > > > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> > > > distinction between the RI
> > > > > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> > > > way? Or is my
> > > > > particular unit somehow deficient?
> > > > >
> > > > > Danny Snyder
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Ferenc
> > > > Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Brian,
> > > > > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been
> > > > out of
> > > > > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all
> > > > the
> > > > > > list activity.
> > > > > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> > > > was
> > > > > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> > > > guitar,
> > > > > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > > > > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > > > > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> > > > Rick.
> > > > > > Ferenc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In ,
> > > > "holyreveb"
> > > > > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place
> > > > for
> > > > > > > this or should there be
> > > > > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> > > > theory,
> > > > > > > composition,
> > > > > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to
> > > > Surf
> > > > > > > music.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > > > > > remember you were here
> > > > > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf
> > > > again
> > > > > > > and are back on
> > > > > > > the list!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BN
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> > > > think I
> > > > > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > > > > video clip...?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my
> > > > face
> > > > > > > red.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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another triumph for science!...i like science...
thanks marty,
;) -dp
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> I say save your money until you really need new tubes for
> the RI tank. Doing a blindfold A/B with two RI Tanks this
> last spring, one equipped with the NOS tubes and one with
> the stock RI tubes no difference in sound was detected at
> all. I wasn't the only judge in the scientific test. The
> guy who had just purchased the 2nd RI tank with the NOS
> tubes was the other judge. With a Jazzmaster through an
> A/B to two tanks feeding the balanced inputs of a
> Bandmaster one of us hit the A/B pedal, sometimes
> switching between tanks and sometimes not actually
> switching. The challenge was to be able to consistently
> tell when a switch was actually made. Admittedly, I came
> in with the attitude that there would be no difference
> but I tried to be as objective in my listening as
> possible. My friend has the opposite attitude and is very
> much a vintage gear guy and the owner of the nice blond
> Bandmaster. Neither of us could tell one unit from the
> other.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: red_thundr
> To:
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:00 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb question / was Woodies,
> was Re:Surf - music theory and other geek speak
>
>
> My 6K6 is a vintage RCA, but a GE may work just as
> well. The 12AX7EH
> is an Electro Harmonix gold pin Russian modern Russian
> tube, which is
> about $6 more than the standard 12AX7EH. Great reviews
> on Harmony
> Central. Couldn't believe the great condition the 6K6s
> were in when I
> got them. The contacts were absolutely clean, no
> scratches whatsoever
> on the plastic base. They were straight-off-the-shelf
> 1964 perfect
> new, it was total luck stumbling on those. The tube
> swap is just
> that, pull out the old, push in the new, with a
> de-energized tank, of
> course. The cap mod is obviously more involved, but
> certainly doable
> if you have the time and inclination. Dick Messick's
> got some nicely
> detailed instructions on how to do it.
>
> --- In , DP
> <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> > do you have a brand preference on those tubes? good
> old
> > NOS GE tubes...or more modern makers? Any mods
> needed for
> > the tube swap, or is it a matter of a
> straight-forward
> > exchange: new for old?
> >
> > thanks,
> > -dp
> >
> > --- red_thundr <red_thundr@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > For the RI, there is absolutely a difference if you
> swap
> > > out the
> > > tubes for NOS tubes, especially the 6V6 for the
> 6K6. Go
> > > for a
> > > quality 12AX7; the 12AX7EHs w/ gold contacts are
> great.
> > >
> > > 7-7-7 is pretty close to what I run when I use the
> RI
> > > tank. A lot
> > > depends on your pickup output too; you may have to
> up
> > > your dwell or
> > > adjust your pickups, or maybe run a preamp if your
> > > pickups are
> > > especially weak. The cap mod is also a recommended
> > > patch.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Ferenc
> Dobronyi
> > > <ferencnd@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll
> have
> > > > to figure out how you can make what you have work
> for
> > > > you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people
> say
> > > > that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster
> drip,
> > > > but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip
> like
> > > > you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the
> drip
> > > > comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute
> the
> > > > strings almost to the point of sending them out
> of
> > > > tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
> > > > Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious,
> but it
> > > > is important to have the p/u switch in the middle
> with
> > > > both p/us on.
> > > > ferenc
> > > >
> > > > --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've been told more drip comes out of a RI
> unit. Our
> > > > lead guitarists
> > > > > unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip.
> The
> > > > > vintage just has a better sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "Danny
> Snyder"
> > > > > <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > > > > > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> > > > > Jazzmaster. There was a
> > > > > > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit
> -
> > > > > way more than I can
> > > > > > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> > > > > distinction between the RI
> > > > > > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in
> some
> > > > > way? Or is my
> > > > > > particular unit somehow deficient?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Danny Snyder
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , Ferenc
> > > > > Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Brian,
> > > > > > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have
> been
> > > > > out of
> > > > > > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with
> all
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > list activity.
> > > > > > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf
> Battle
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> > > > > guitar,
> > > > > > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the
> Surf
> > > > > > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a
> blast
> > > > > > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it
> again
> > > > > Rick.
> > > > > > > Ferenc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In ,
> > > > > "holyreveb"
> > > > > > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right
> place
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > this or should there be
> > > > > > > > > a new group which just talks about
> music
> > > > > theory,
> > > > > > > > composition,
> > > > > > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply
> to
> > > > > Surf
> > > > > > > > music.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rick
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome
> back! I
> > > > > > > > remember you were here
> > > > > > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing
> surf
> > > > > again
> > > > > > > > and are back on
> > > > > > > > the list!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > BN
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
>
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I've got a NOS 6K6GT/G (sylvania) from the guy who sold me the reverb
unit, along with the stock 6V6. I've read many times about switching
the tubes as Redthundr described, but when I did it I didn't like the
results. I felt the sound became duller, less wet, I'd almost say too
warm. I think if I played mellow blues I'd prefer that, but not for
surf. Now, I'm not going to assume that everyone is wrong on this
issue, rather I think I need to find out if I have the right tube. I
don't recall seeing the 'GT/G' on the end of '6K6' when people
suggested the swap on a reverb unit, is there a difference? Or perhaps
it's just a bad tube?
Danny
On Jul 1, 2005, at 7:39 PM, DP wrote:
> do you have a brand preference on those tubes? good old
> NOS GE tubes...or more modern makers? Any mods needed for
> the tube swap, or is it a matter of a straight-forward
> exchange: new for old?
>
> thanks,
> -dp
>
> --- red_thundr <> wrote:
>
> > For the RI, there is absolutely a difference if you swap
> > out the
> > tubes for NOS tubes, especially the 6V6 for the 6K6. Go
> > for a
> > quality 12AX7; the 12AX7EHs w/ gold contacts are great.
> >
> > 7-7-7 is pretty close to what I run when I use the RI
> > tank. A lot
> > depends on your pickup output too; you may have to up
> > your dwell or
> > adjust your pickups, or maybe run a preamp if your
> > pickups are
> > especially weak. The cap mod is also a recommended
> > patch.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , Ferenc Dobronyi
> > <ferencnd@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Seems like every tank sounds different, so you'll have
> > > to figure out how you can make what you have work for
> > > you. For instance, I have heard a lot of people say
> > > that the 7-7-7 setting gives them the monster drip,
> > > but with my '65 tank, I used 5-6-5 for the drip like
> > > you heard at the Utah show. Another part of the drip
> > > comes from how you damp the strings. I palm mute the
> > > strings almost to the point of sending them out of
> > > tune, and pick agressively, all downstrokes (ala
> > > Johnny Ramone). And, this is probably obvious, but it
> > > is important to have the p/u switch in the middle with
> > > both p/us on.
> > > ferenc
> > >
> > > --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been told more drip comes out of a RI unit. Our
> > > lead guitarists
> > > > unit has less drip. My RI has too much drip. The
> > > > vintage just has a better sound.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "Danny Snyder"
> > > > <snydr@s...> wrote:
> > > > > My question was about Ferenc's heavily tanked
> > > > Jazzmaster. There was a
> > > > > ton of "drip" coming out of that vintage unit -
> > > > way more than I can
> > > > > get out of my reissue. Is that a common
> > > > distinction between the RI
> > > > > and vintage? Or was that unit modified in some
> > > > way? Or is my
> > > > > particular unit somehow deficient?
> > > > >
> > > > > Danny Snyder
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Ferenc
> > > > Dobronyi <ferencnd@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Brian,
> > > > > > Did Rick already answer this? Sorry I have been
> > > > out of
> > > > > > town for a week, and couldn't keep up with all
> > > > the
> > > > > > list activity.
> > > > > > The backup band for Rick azat the Surf Battle
> > > > was
> > > > > > myslef on heavily tanked Jazzmaster Rhythm
> > > > guitar,
> > > > > > John Hamilton (locally known as King of the Surf
> > > > > > Bass), and Pollo Jeremy on drums. It was a blast
> > > > > > playing those Woodies songs! Lets do it again
> > > > Rick.
> > > > > > Ferenc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In ,
> > > > "holyreveb"
> > > > > > > <holyreveb@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I wanted to know if this is the right place
> > > > for
> > > > > > > this or should there be
> > > > > > > > a new group which just talks about music
> > > > theory,
> > > > > > > composition,
> > > > > > > > influnces , books etc as it would apply to
> > > > Surf
> > > > > > > music.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rick Escobar? Of Woodies fame? Welcome back! I
> > > > > > > remember you were here
> > > > > > > a while ago. Good to hear you are playing surf
> > > > again
> > > > > > > and are back on
> > > > > > > the list!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is exactly the right place IMHO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BN
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS Sorry to hijack your thread, but:
> > > > > > > So who backed you up at the Hotel Utah? I
> > > > think I
> > > > > > > saw Ferenc in the
> > > > > > > video clip...?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And if you aren't Rick Escobar then boy is my
> > > > face
> > > > > > > red.
> > > > > >
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