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My Dad gave me one of these old Under the dash mount revrb things.
I just wish there was a way to hook them up to modern style radio/cd
players.
He said he used to drive over railroad tracks just to hear it crash.
Father like Sun :)
Jeff(bigtikidude)
-- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> ...heee hee hee...he said "reverb"...
> now who would ever want even more reverb on their tiny
> little AM car radios? those crazy old-timey cruisers!...
>
> like always, it was a pleasure to read your supremely
> informative post...
>
> -dp
>
>
> --- Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
>
> > AM radio in the sixties:
> > *3dB max dynamic range courtesy of the program leveles
> > (leveled
> > output gain, but did not compress dynamic range, though
> > it was
> > the same general effect - you could hear them breathe!)
> > *5000 cps response max courtesy limitations of AM
> > transmission
> > *2%+ distortion
> >
> > all this on top of common 45 mastering for AM radio:
> > *5000 cps roll-off
> > *bass +6 dB
> > *less than 6 dB dynamic range
> >
> > It was all about bass boom and squished sound to overcome
> > road noise,
> > targeted at cheap 6x9 dash board mounted mono car
> > speakers driven by 2
> > to 4 watt tube radios, which all created lots more
> > distortion and loss.
> >
> > For the cruiser, it all ran through an under-dash spring
> > reverb that
> > crashed mercilessly when you hit even tiny bumps, and at
> > railraod
> > crossings... look out!
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > --- DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > phil....SHHHH!!!...you're giving out my secrets!!!
> >
> > I master my stuff into a single 4" reference speaker...a
> > stereo mix running into a single speaker. it get's that
> > AM
> > radio fidelity...especially on the bass and drum end of
> > the
> > sound spectrum. but, it still sounds decent on a stereo
> > boom box or computer speakers.
> >
> > I also like to compress and eq the final master mix, just
> > like in the olden days of 45 rpm singles. I prefer the
> > emulations of old mastering decks found in SONAR...good
> > stuff.
> >
> > -dp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
> >
> > > Most of the power you detect in mono that's missing in
> > > stereo had to do
> > > with the way mono was mastered for AM radio. 2 track
> > was
> > > the deck of
> > > choice, and mono was just a combination of the two with
> > > compression and
> > > serious EQ applied during 45 mastering. You'll often
> > find
> > > that LP mono
> > > and single mono are quite different.
> > >
> > > CD reissues sometimes don't get mastered, just
> > > duplicated, and too
> > > often (as with Del-Fi), they use LP masters instead of
> > > session masters.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > --- Daniel Kubon <fuzznsurf@w...> wrote:
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > I think thats the problem with some of the reissued
> > > LPs/CDs of other
> > > bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass,
> > while
> > > the
> > > rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of
> > > power get lost.
> > > fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor
> > elevators
> > > -
> > > "psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER ,
> > > stereo version =
> > > Hmmm ?!?...
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any tech should be able to do that - they were designed to install
between the radio and the speakers...
--- Jeff <> wrote:
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My Dad gave me one of these old Under the dash mount revrb things.
I just wish there was a way to hook them up to modern style radio/cd
players.
He said he used to drive over railroad tracks just to hear it crash.
Father like Sun :)
Jeff(bigtikidude)
-- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> ...heee hee hee...he said "reverb"...
> now who would ever want even more reverb on their tiny
> little AM car radios? those crazy old-timey cruisers!...
>
> like always, it was a pleasure to read your supremely
> informative post...
>
> -dp
>
>
> --- Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
>
> > AM radio in the sixties:
> > *3dB max dynamic range courtesy of the program leveles
> > (leveled
> > output gain, but did not compress dynamic range, though
> > it was
> > the same general effect - you could hear them breathe!)
> > *5000 cps response max courtesy limitations of AM
> > transmission
> > *2%+ distortion
> >
> > all this on top of common 45 mastering for AM radio:
> > *5000 cps roll-off
> > *bass +6 dB
> > *less than 6 dB dynamic range
> >
> > It was all about bass boom and squished sound to overcome
> > road noise,
> > targeted at cheap 6x9 dash board mounted mono car
> > speakers driven by 2
> > to 4 watt tube radios, which all created lots more
> > distortion and loss.
> >
> > For the cruiser, it all ran through an under-dash spring
> > reverb that
> > crashed mercilessly when you hit even tiny bumps, and at
> > railraod
> > crossings... look out!
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > --- DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > phil....SHHHH!!!...you're giving out my secrets!!!
> >
> > I master my stuff into a single 4" reference speaker...a
> > stereo mix running into a single speaker. it get's that
> > AM
> > radio fidelity...especially on the bass and drum end of
> > the
> > sound spectrum. but, it still sounds decent on a stereo
> > boom box or computer speakers.
> >
> > I also like to compress and eq the final master mix, just
> > like in the olden days of 45 rpm singles. I prefer the
> > emulations of old mastering decks found in SONAR...good
> > stuff.
> >
> > -dp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
> >
> > > Most of the power you detect in mono that's missing in
> > > stereo had to do
> > > with the way mono was mastered for AM radio. 2 track
> > was
> > > the deck of
> > > choice, and mono was just a combination of the two with
> > > compression and
> > > serious EQ applied during 45 mastering. You'll often
> > find
> > > that LP mono
> > > and single mono are quite different.
> > >
> > > CD reissues sometimes don't get mastered, just
> > > duplicated, and too
> > > often (as with Del-Fi), they use LP masters instead of
> > > session masters.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > --- Daniel Kubon <fuzznsurf@w...> wrote:
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > I think thats the problem with some of the reissued
> > > LPs/CDs of other
> > > bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass,
> > while
> > > the
> > > rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of
> > > power get lost.
> > > fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor
> > elevators
> > > -
> > > "psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER ,
> > > stereo version =
> > > Hmmm ?!?...
> > > daniel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > > Visit for
> > > archived messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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-Yes I understand, but this was a mono unit, that had a fader for
front to rear, but it was all just the same mono signal.
Most stereos now use rca input and out put, like using guitar
effects before an amp or in the efx loop.
Actually I should figure out if I can use the tank for a small
guitar reverb, that would make more sense. Or use it to add reverb
to a band whose sound need improvement ;).
and do my own reverb remixes , but it would be over the whole
thing,not just the guitars. But is that a bad thing?
Jeff(bigtikidude)
-- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
> any tech should be able to do that - they were designed to install
> between the radio and the speakers...
>
> --- Jeff <bigtikidude@y...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> My Dad gave me one of these old Under the dash mount revrb things.
> I just wish there was a way to hook them up to modern style radio/cd
> players.
> He said he used to drive over railroad tracks just to hear it
crash.
> Father like Sun :)
>
> Jeff(bigtikidude)
>
>
>
> -- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> > ...heee hee hee...he said "reverb"...
> > now who would ever want even more reverb on their tiny
> > little AM car radios? those crazy old-timey cruisers!...
> >
> > like always, it was a pleasure to read your supremely
> > informative post...
> >
> > -dp
> >
> >
> > --- Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
> >
> > > AM radio in the sixties:
> > > *3dB max dynamic range courtesy of the program leveles
> > > (leveled
> > > output gain, but did not compress dynamic range, though
> > > it was
> > > the same general effect - you could hear them breathe!)
> > > *5000 cps response max courtesy limitations of AM
> > > transmission
> > > *2%+ distortion
> > >
> > > all this on top of common 45 mastering for AM radio:
> > > *5000 cps roll-off
> > > *bass +6 dB
> > > *less than 6 dB dynamic range
> > >
> > > It was all about bass boom and squished sound to overcome
> > > road noise,
> > > targeted at cheap 6x9 dash board mounted mono car
> > > speakers driven by 2
> > > to 4 watt tube radios, which all created lots more
> > > distortion and loss.
> > >
> > > For the cruiser, it all ran through an under-dash spring
> > > reverb that
> > > crashed mercilessly when you hit even tiny bumps, and at
> > > railraod
> > > crossings... look out!
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > --- DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > phil....SHHHH!!!...you're giving out my secrets!!!
> > >
> > > I master my stuff into a single 4" reference speaker...a
> > > stereo mix running into a single speaker. it get's that
> > > AM
> > > radio fidelity...especially on the bass and drum end of
> > > the
> > > sound spectrum. but, it still sounds decent on a stereo
> > > boom box or computer speakers.
> > >
> > > I also like to compress and eq the final master mix, just
> > > like in the olden days of 45 rpm singles. I prefer the
> > > emulations of old mastering decks found in SONAR...good
> > > stuff.
> > >
> > > -dp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Most of the power you detect in mono that's missing in
> > > > stereo had to do
> > > > with the way mono was mastered for AM radio. 2 track
> > > was
> > > > the deck of
> > > > choice, and mono was just a combination of the two with
> > > > compression and
> > > > serious EQ applied during 45 mastering. You'll often
> > > find
> > > > that LP mono
> > > > and single mono are quite different.
> > > >
> > > > CD reissues sometimes don't get mastered, just
> > > > duplicated, and too
> > > > often (as with Del-Fi), they use LP masters instead of
> > > > session masters.
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > > --- Daniel Kubon <fuzznsurf@w...> wrote:
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > I think thats the problem with some of the reissued
> > > > LPs/CDs of other
> > > > bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass,
> > > while
> > > > the
> > > > rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of
> > > > power get lost.
> > > > fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor
> > > elevators
> > > > -
> > > > "psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER ,
> > > > stereo version =
> > > > Hmmm ?!?...
> > > > daniel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > > Visit for
> > > > archived messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________________________________________________
> > > Yahoo! Sports
> > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > > Visit for
> > > archived
> > > messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> > >
> > >
> > > Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
> > > Terms of
> > > Service.
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > > Visit for
> > > archived messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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