Menu
I think thats the problem with some of the reissued LPs/CDs of other
bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass, while the
rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of power get lost.
fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor elevators -
"psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER , stereo version =
Hmmm ?!?...
daniel
> As for their lead guitar tone, I think it sometimes (e.g. on "Surf
> Beat") suffers due to a terrible stereo mix, where the guitar is too
> low in volume and only present in one channel, while the drums in the
> other channel are way too loud. I bet it would sound much better in a
> proper mono mix.
>
> Speaking of mono mixes, I wonder if we are the only band recording in
> mono these days?
>
> Klas / The Surfites
>
>
I'm not gonna let this pro-mono talk get outta hand. Pet Sounds in stereo is
fantastic. I prefer even the discrete stereo of the early '60's like the
Ventures records with Mel's drums on one channel, the rhythm on the other side,
the lead in the middle and the bass probably on one side as well. And the
re-releases sounded even better when EMI went to the multitrack tapes and
remixed lot of those old recordings. The remix of The Ventures "In Space"
(paired on CD with the Telstar album) has much more uumph than the previous
stereo and mono versions.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Kubon
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:39 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Lively Ones/mono
I think thats the problem with some of the reissued LPs/CDs of other
bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass, while the
rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of power get lost.
fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor elevators -
"psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER , stereo version =
Hmmm ?!?...
daniel
> As for their lead guitar tone, I think it sometimes (e.g. on "Surf
> Beat") suffers due to a terrible stereo mix, where the guitar is too
> low in volume and only present in one channel, while the drums in the
> other channel are way too loud. I bet it would sound much better in a
> proper mono mix.
>
> Speaking of mono mixes, I wonder if we are the only band recording in
> mono these days?
>
> Klas / The Surfites
>
>
.
Visit for archived messages,
bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
a.. Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
__________ NOD32 1.1157 (20050628) Information __________
This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Some bands have great stereo mixes, others like the Lively Ones
haven't, and it would have been nice to have their (hopefully better
sounding) mono mixes reissued instead of the bad stereo ones.
/ Klas
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I'm not gonna let this pro-mono talk get outta hand. Pet Sounds in
stereo is fantastic. I prefer even the discrete stereo of the
early '60's like the Ventures records with Mel's drums on one
channel, the rhythm on the other side, the lead in the middle and the
bass probably on one side as well. And the re-releases sounded even
better when EMI went to the multitrack tapes and remixed lot of those
old recordings. The remix of The Ventures "In Space" (paired on CD
with the Telstar album) has much more uumph than the previous stereo
and mono versions.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Kubon
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:39 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Lively Ones/mono
>
>
> I think thats the problem with some of the reissued LPs/CDs of
other
> bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass, while the
> rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of power get
lost.
> fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor elevators -
> "psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER , stereo version
=
> Hmmm ?!?...
> daniel
>
> > As for their lead guitar tone, I think it sometimes (e.g.
on "Surf
> > Beat") suffers due to a terrible stereo mix, where the guitar
is too
> > low in volume and only present in one channel, while the drums
in the
> > other channel are way too loud. I bet it would sound much
better in a
> > proper mono mix.
> >
> > Speaking of mono mixes, I wonder if we are the only band
recording in
> > mono these days?
> >
> > Klas / The Surfites
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> .
> Visit for archived
messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> a.. Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
>
> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>
>
> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
of Service.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
>
>
>
> __________ NOD32 1.1157 (20050628) Information __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yep. But, I`m also with Marty in the Ventures case, the rerelaesed
ones have a better sound quality, I bought the 100000 $
weekend/superpsychedelics and in comnparison to the original LPs, the
rereleased version sounds much better.
daniel
--- In , "Klas Fjellgren"
<surfites@b...> wrote:
> Some bands have great stereo mixes, others like the Lively Ones
> haven't, and it would have been nice to have their (hopefully
better
> sounding) mono mixes reissued instead of the bad stereo ones.
>
> / Klas
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > I'm not gonna let this pro-mono talk get outta hand. Pet Sounds
in
> stereo is fantastic. I prefer even the discrete stereo of the
> early '60's like the Ventures records with Mel's drums on one
> channel, the rhythm on the other side, the lead in the middle and
the
> bass probably on one side as well. And the re-releases sounded even
> better when EMI went to the multitrack tapes and remixed lot of
those
> old recordings. The remix of The Ventures "In Space" (paired on CD
> with the Telstar album) has much more uumph than the previous
stereo
> and mono versions.
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Kubon
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:39 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Lively Ones/mono
> >
> >
> > I think thats the problem with some of the reissued LPs/CDs of
> other
> > bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass, while the
> > rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of power get
> lost.
> > fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor elevators -
> > "psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER , stereo
version
> =
> > Hmmm ?!?...
> > daniel
> >
> > > As for their lead guitar tone, I think it sometimes (e.g.
> on "Surf
> > > Beat") suffers due to a terrible stereo mix, where the guitar
> is too
> > > low in volume and only present in one channel, while the
drums
> in the
> > > other channel are way too loud. I bet it would sound much
> better in a
> > > proper mono mix.
> > >
> > > Speaking of mono mixes, I wonder if we are the only band
> recording in
> > > mono these days?
> > >
> > > Klas / The Surfites
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > Visit for archived
> messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----------
> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> >
> > a.. Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
> >
> > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >
> >
> > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
> of Service.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----------
> >
> >
> >
> > __________ NOD32 1.1157 (20050628) Information __________
> >
> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Most of the power you detect in mono that's missing in stereo had to do
with the way mono was mastered for AM radio. 2 track was the deck of
choice, and mono was just a combination of the two with compression and
serious EQ applied during 45 mastering. You'll often find that LP mono
and single mono are quite different.
CD reissues sometimes don't get mastered, just duplicated, and too
often (as with Del-Fi), they use LP masters instead of session masters.
Phil
--- Daniel Kubon <> wrote:
---------------------------------
I think thats the problem with some of the reissued LPs/CDs of other
bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass, while the
rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of power get lost.
fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor elevators -
"psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER , stereo version =
Hmmm ?!?...
daniel
I do have to agree there, Klas. The Del Fi reissues of the albums in stereo were
awful. Fortunately Ace records found good mono masters.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Klas Fjellgren
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:06 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Lively Ones/mono
Some bands have great stereo mixes, others like the Lively Ones
haven't, and it would have been nice to have their (hopefully better
sounding) mono mixes reissued instead of the bad stereo ones.
/ Klas
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I'm not gonna let this pro-mono talk get outta hand. Pet Sounds in
stereo is fantastic. I prefer even the discrete stereo of the
early '60's like the Ventures records with Mel's drums on one
channel, the rhythm on the other side, the lead in the middle and the
bass probably on one side as well. And the re-releases sounded even
better when EMI went to the multitrack tapes and remixed lot of those
old recordings. The remix of The Ventures "In Space" (paired on CD
with the Telstar album) has much more uumph than the previous stereo
and mono versions.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Kubon
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:39 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Lively Ones/mono
>
>
> I think thats the problem with some of the reissued LPs/CDs of
other
> bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass, while the
> rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of power get
lost.
> fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor elevators -
> "psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER , stereo version
=
> Hmmm ?!?...
> daniel
>
> > As for their lead guitar tone, I think it sometimes (e.g.
on "Surf
> > Beat") suffers due to a terrible stereo mix, where the guitar
is too
> > low in volume and only present in one channel, while the drums
in the
> > other channel are way too loud. I bet it would sound much
better in a
> > proper mono mix.
> >
> > Speaking of mono mixes, I wonder if we are the only band
recording in
> > mono these days?
> >
> > Klas / The Surfites
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> .
> Visit for archived
messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> a.. Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
>
> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>
>
> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
of Service.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
>
>
>
> __________ NOD32 1.1157 (20050628) Information __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
.
Visit for archived messages,
bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
a.. Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
__________ NOD32 1.1157 (20050628) Information __________
This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I didn't know that the Ace reissue contained the mono mix! I now have
the 2004 Collectors' Choice (Rhino) CD, which is the stereo mix but
doesn't share the bad sound quality found on the original Del-Fi CD
reissue. I would have bought the Ace mono release instead if I just
knew.
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I do have to agree there, Klas. The Del Fi reissues of the albums
in stereo were awful. Fortunately Ace records found good mono
masters.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Klas Fjellgren
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:06 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Lively Ones/mono
>
>
> Some bands have great stereo mixes, others like the Lively Ones
> haven't, and it would have been nice to have their (hopefully
better
> sounding) mono mixes reissued instead of the bad stereo ones.
>
> / Klas
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > I'm not gonna let this pro-mono talk get outta hand. Pet Sounds
in
> stereo is fantastic. I prefer even the discrete stereo of the
> early '60's like the Ventures records with Mel's drums on one
> channel, the rhythm on the other side, the lead in the middle and
the
> bass probably on one side as well. And the re-releases sounded
even
> better when EMI went to the multitrack tapes and remixed lot of
those
> old recordings. The remix of The Ventures "In Space" (paired on
CD
> with the Telstar album) has much more uumph than the previous
stereo
> and mono versions.
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Kubon
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:39 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Lively Ones/mono
> >
> >
> > I think thats the problem with some of the reissued LPs/CDs
of
> other
> > bands too. The original MONO recordings kickin ass, while the
> > rereleased records suckin with their stereo, a lot of power
get
> lost.
> > fine example (it`s not surf I know): 13th floor elevators -
> > "psychedelic sounds of...". Mono version = POWER , stereo
version
> =
> > Hmmm ?!?...
> > daniel
> >
> > > As for their lead guitar tone, I think it sometimes (e.g.
> on "Surf
> > > Beat") suffers due to a terrible stereo mix, where the
guitar
> is too
> > > low in volume and only present in one channel, while the
drums
> in the
> > > other channel are way too loud. I bet it would sound much
> better in a
> > > proper mono mix.
> > >
> > > Speaking of mono mixes, I wonder if we are the only band
> recording in
> > > mono these days?
> > >
> > > Klas / The Surfites
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > Visit for
archived
> messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
----
> ----------
> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> >
> > a.. Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
> >
> > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >
> >
> > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
Terms
> of Service.
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
----
> ----------
> >
> >
> >
> > __________ NOD32 1.1157 (20050628) Information __________
> >
> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> .
> Visit for archived
messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> a.. Visit your group "SurfGuitar101" on the web.
>
> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>
>
> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
of Service.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
>
>
>
> __________ NOD32 1.1157 (20050628) Information __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
