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-Marty
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From: holyreveb
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Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory and other geek speak (Song
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"I'm pulling you over for unnecessary over-complication of a simple
scale" Classic, I laughed my ass off.
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Alright holyreverb,
>
> I'm pulling you over for unnecessary over-complication of a simple
scale. It is superflous to refer to the A minor scale as "Aeolian"
and "Modal" even if it is correct.
>
> Is this whole preoccupation with modes fallout from the heavy metal
era? I don't recall anyone before that era talking about modes except
for maybe some jazzers.
>
> -Marty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: holyreveb
> Sent: Jun 29, 2005 9:35 AM
> To:
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory and other geek
speak (Song writing)
>
> Another thing to be something I call modal chords. Take any scale
> lets say Ami Aeolian for example (1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7) . Lay down a
bass
> line which has (A) as it's root. Now create chords at random using
> any 3 notes of the Aeolian scale, just experiment with what sounds
> interesting.
>
>
> --- In , Jonathan Villegas
>
> <jville.geo@y...> wrote:
> > Gavin,
> >
> > Great question. It helps to think of songwriting as
> > taking a journey with hills and dales and sidetrips.
> >
> > One cool move is to use the cycle of fifths as part of
> > a chord progression. In key of C for example: C, G7,
> > D- and then back to C, or go to A-7 for a bluesier
> > end.
> >
> > It might help, too, to try some chord
> > extensions...nothing extreme like in be-bop jazz, but
> > 9ths instead of 7ths and -7th (minor 7ths) instead of
> > plain minor should be fine in surf rock music. This
> > helps to open up the sound and lets you play more
> > interesting melodies and solos.
> >
> > You can also song (also called
> > modulation). How this is done depenchange the key within ads on
the
> song.
> > Some go right into the new key. Other modulate using a
> > chord sequence to smooth out the change. Various
> > strategies exist for key changing chord sequences. One
> > of them is the II-V-I jazzbo trick, with the I chord
> > being the new key center.
> >
> > There's lots of ways to go beyond the limitations of
> > the typical 3-chord rock song!
> >
> > ~ Jonathan
> >
> > --- wrote:
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:02:41 -0000
> > From: "Gavin Ehringer"
> > <gavinehringer@e...>
> > Subject: Re: Surf - music theory and other geek speak
> > (Song writing)
> >
> > Okay, here's a question: if I sit down and try and
> > write a song, I
> > usually can't get beyond
> > creating a simple riff. That tends to get plugged into
> > a I-IV-V
> > progression, and it all
> > quickly gets stagnant and doesn't go anywhere. It's
> > pretty stifling.
> > Any suggestions on how
> > I might unlock my song writing potential?
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I'm personally very influenced by Robert Fripp, when do crazy
electronic guitar, that's where my roots start. However I'm always
using what I know of music theory when I'm composing surf tunes.
But the cool about music is everyone has their own approach, this is
just what works for me.
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> If d boone talked of modes, he was the rare exception in the punk
rock world. Maybe Greg Ginn was another. Dick Dale may have used
modes but he probably didn't know it. He didn't pontificate on the
virtues of modes. Few if any of the early surf guitarists or rock
guitarists in general talked of the technical mechanics of the
guitar. In the best days of rock guitar, it was about making bitchin'
sounds without really knowing a heck of a lot about what your doing
in terms of harmony. As rock progressed into more technical forms, it
fit the image of a Robert Fripp or a Steve Hacket to sound more
educated. As much as I love those guys, a lot of what they said
sounded like psuedo-intellectual b.s.
>
> I haven't found what I'm reading here about modes and resolutions
and tonic shifting to be the most helpful or useful way to approach
surf guitar. Those discussions are much more useful in the approach
to jazz guitar. Then again, are we now in an era of progressive surf
guitar? Dave Wronski certainly plays some head-turning harmony.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DP
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory and other
geek speak (Song writing)
>
>
> d boone (minutemen) was from the LA Punk days (early 1980s)
> he talked a mess of modes...so did our old pals Chet
> Atkins, James Jamerson and Carol Kaye...
>
> and besides, Dick Dale invented modes before he moved into
> his record shop in Balboa, even though he doesn't
> acknowledge it anymore...(okay, well maybe that's just an
> urban surf legend I just made up...it seemed to fit really
> well right there...)
>
> ;)
> -dp
>
>
>
>
> --- Marty Tippens <mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> > Alright holyreverb,
> >
> > I'm pulling you over for unnecessary over-complication of
> > a simple scale. It is superflous to refer to the A minor
> > scale as "Aeolian" and "Modal" even if it is correct.
> >
> > Is this whole preoccupation with modes fallout from the
> > heavy metal era? I don't recall anyone before that era
> > talking about modes except for maybe some jazzers.
> >
> > -Marty
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: holyreveb
> > Sent: Jun 29, 2005 9:35 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory and
> > other geek speak (Song writing)
> >
> > Another thing to be something I call modal chords. Take
> > any scale
> > lets say Ami Aeolian for example (1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7) . Lay
> > down a bass
> > line which has (A) as it's root. Now create chords at
> > random using
> > any 3 notes of the Aeolian scale, just experiment with
> > what sounds
> > interesting.
> >
> >
> > --- In , Jonathan Villegas
> >
> > <jville.geo@y...> wrote:
> > > Gavin,
> > >
> > > Great question. It helps to think of songwriting as
> > > taking a journey with hills and dales and sidetrips.
> > >
> > > One cool move is to use the cycle of fifths as part of
> > > a chord progression. In key of C for example: C, G7,
> > > D- and then back to C, or go to A-7 for a bluesier
> > > end.
> > >
> > > It might help, too, to try some chord
> > > extensions...nothing extreme like in be-bop jazz, but
> > > 9ths instead of 7ths and -7th (minor 7ths) instead of
> > > plain minor should be fine in surf rock music. This
> > > helps to open up the sound and lets you play more
> > > interesting melodies and solos.
> > >
> > > You can also song (also called
> > > modulation). How this is done depenchange the key
> > within ads on the
> > song.
> > > Some go right into the new key. Other modulate using a
> > > chord sequence to smooth out the change. Various
> > > strategies exist for key changing chord sequences. One
> > > of them is the II-V-I jazzbo trick, with the I chord
> > > being the new key center.
> > >
> > > There's lots of ways to go beyond the limitations of
> > > the typical 3-chord rock song!
> > >
> > > ~ Jonathan
> > >
> > > --- wrote:
> > >
> > > Message: 13
> > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:02:41 -0000
> > > From: "Gavin Ehringer"
> > > <gavinehringer@e...>
> > > Subject: Re: Surf - music theory and other geek speak
> > > (Song writing)
> > >
> > > Okay, here's a question: if I sit down and try and
> > > write a song, I
> > > usually can't get beyond
> > > creating a simple riff. That tends to get plugged into
> > > a I-IV-V
> > > progression, and it all
> > > quickly gets stagnant and doesn't go anywhere. It's
> > > pretty stifling.
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> > > I might unlock my song writing potential?
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Don't forgrt the Blues Scale baby, the Bluuuuuuuuuse Scale................
---- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> Thanks for having a sense of humor about it, Rick. I was afraid my post might
be taken a bit harsh.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: holyreveb
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:20 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory and other geek speak (Song
writing)
>
>
> "I'm pulling you over for unnecessary over-complication of a simple
> scale" Classic, I laughed my ass off.
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Alright holyreverb,
> >
> > I'm pulling you over for unnecessary over-complication of a simple
> scale. It is superflous to refer to the A minor scale as "Aeolian"
> and "Modal" even if it is correct.
> >
> > Is this whole preoccupation with modes fallout from the heavy metal
> era? I don't recall anyone before that era talking about modes except
> for maybe some jazzers.
> >
> > -Marty
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: holyreveb
> > Sent: Jun 29, 2005 9:35 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory and other geek
> speak (Song writing)
> >
> > Another thing to be something I call modal chords. Take any scale
> > lets say Ami Aeolian for example (1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7) . Lay down a
> bass
> > line which has (A) as it's root. Now create chords at random using
> > any 3 notes of the Aeolian scale, just experiment with what sounds
> > interesting.
> >
> >
> > --- In , Jonathan Villegas
> >
> > <jville.geo@y...> wrote:
> > > Gavin,
> > >
> > > Great question. It helps to think of songwriting as
> > > taking a journey with hills and dales and sidetrips.
> > >
> > > One cool move is to use the cycle of fifths as part of
> > > a chord progression. In key of C for example: C, G7,
> > > D- and then back to C, or go to A-7 for a bluesier
> > > end.
> > >
> > > It might help, too, to try some chord
> > > extensions...nothing extreme like in be-bop jazz, but
> > > 9ths instead of 7ths and -7th (minor 7ths) instead of
> > > plain minor should be fine in surf rock music. This
> > > helps to open up the sound and lets you play more
> > > interesting melodies and solos.
> > >
> > > You can also song (also called
> > > modulation). How this is done depenchange the key within ads on
> the
> > song.
> > > Some go right into the new key. Other modulate using a
> > > chord sequence to smooth out the change. Various
> > > strategies exist for key changing chord sequences. One
> > > of them is the II-V-I jazzbo trick, with the I chord
> > > being the new key center.
> > >
> > > There's lots of ways to go beyond the limitations of
> > > the typical 3-chord rock song!
> > >
> > > ~ Jonathan
> > >
> > > --- wrote:
> > >
> > > Message: 13
> > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:02:41 -0000
> > > From: "Gavin Ehringer"
> > > <gavinehringer@e...>
> > > Subject: Re: Surf - music theory and other geek speak
> > > (Song writing)
> > >
> > > Okay, here's a question: if I sit down and try and
> > > write a song, I
> > > usually can't get beyond
> > > creating a simple riff. That tends to get plugged into
> > > a I-IV-V
> > > progression, and it all
> > > quickly gets stagnant and doesn't go anywhere. It's
> > > pretty stifling.
> > > Any suggestions on how
> > > I might unlock my song writing potential?
> > >
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> ---- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> > Thanks for having a sense of humor about it, Rick. I
> was afraid my post might be taken a bit harsh.
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: holyreveb
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:20 PM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory and
> other geek speak (Song writing)
> >
> >
> > "I'm pulling you over for unnecessary
> over-complication of a simple
> > scale" Classic, I laughed my ass off.
> >
> >
> > --- In , "Marty
> Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Alright holyreverb,
> > >
> > > I'm pulling you over for unnecessary
> over-complication of a simple
> > scale. It is superflous to refer to the A minor scale
> as "Aeolian"
> > and "Modal" even if it is correct.
> > >
> > > Is this whole preoccupation with modes fallout from
> the heavy metal
> > era? I don't recall anyone before that era talking
> about modes except
> > for maybe some jazzers.
> > >
> > > -Marty
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: holyreveb
> > > Sent: Jun 29, 2005 9:35 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory
> and other geek
> > speak (Song writing)
> > >
> > > Another thing to be something I call modal chords.
> Take any scale
> > > lets say Ami Aeolian for example (1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7)
> . Lay down a
> > bass
> > > line which has (A) as it's root. Now create chords
> at random using
> > > any 3 notes of the Aeolian scale, just experiment
> with what sounds
> > > interesting.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Jonathan
> Villegas
> > >
> > > <jville.geo@y...> wrote:
> > > > Gavin,
> > > >
> > > > Great question. It helps to think of songwriting
> as
> > > > taking a journey with hills and dales and
> sidetrips.
> > > >
> > > > One cool move is to use the cycle of fifths as
> part of
> > > > a chord progression. In key of C for example: C,
> G7,
> > > > D- and then back to C, or go to A-7 for a
> bluesier
> > > > end.
> > > >
> > > > It might help, too, to try some chord
> > > > extensions...nothing extreme like in be-bop jazz,
> but
> > > > 9ths instead of 7ths and -7th (minor 7ths)
> instead of
> > > > plain minor should be fine in surf rock music.
> This
> > > > helps to open up the sound and lets you play more
> > > > interesting melodies and solos.
> > > >
> > > > You can also song (also called
> > > > modulation). How this is done depenchange the key
> within ads on
> > the
> > > song.
> > > > Some go right into the new key. Other modulate
> using a
> > > > chord sequence to smooth out the change. Various
> > > > strategies exist for key changing chord
> sequences. One
> > > > of them is the II-V-I jazzbo trick, with the I
> chord
> > > > being the new key center.
> > > >
> > > > There's lots of ways to go beyond the limitations
> of
> > > > the typical 3-chord rock song!
> > > >
> > > > ~ Jonathan
> > > >
> > > > --- wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Message: 13
> > > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:02:41 -0000
> > > > From: "Gavin Ehringer"
> > > > <gavinehringer@e...>
> > > > Subject: Re: Surf - music theory and other geek
> speak
> > > > (Song writing)
> > > >
> > > > Okay, here's a question: if I sit down and try
> and
> > > > write a song, I
> > > > usually can't get beyond
> > > > creating a simple riff. That tends to get plugged
> into
> > > > a I-IV-V
> > > > progression, and it all
> > > > quickly gets stagnant and doesn't go anywhere.
> It's
> > > > pretty stifling.
> > > > Any suggestions on how
> > > > I might unlock my song writing potential?
> > > >
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Don't forgrt the Blues Scale baby, the Bluuuuuuuuuse Scale................
---- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> Thanks for having a sense of humor about it, Rick. I was afraid my post
might be taken a bit harsh.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: holyreveb
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:20 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory and other geek speak
(Song writing)
>
>
> "I'm pulling you over for unnecessary over-complication of a simple
> scale" Classic, I laughed my ass off.
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Alright holyreverb,
> >
> > I'm pulling you over for unnecessary over-complication of a simple
> scale. It is superflous to refer to the A minor scale as "Aeolian"
> and "Modal" even if it is correct.
> >
> > Is this whole preoccupation with modes fallout from the heavy metal
> era? I don't recall anyone before that era talking about modes except
> for maybe some jazzers.
> >
> > -Marty
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: holyreveb
> > Sent: Jun 29, 2005 9:35 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Surf - music theory and other geek
> speak (Song writing)
> >
> > Another thing to be something I call modal chords. Take any scale
> > lets say Ami Aeolian for example (1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7) . Lay down a
> bass
> > line which has (A) as it's root. Now create chords at random using
> > any 3 notes of the Aeolian scale, just experiment with what sounds
> > interesting.
> >
> >
> > --- In , Jonathan Villegas
> >
> > <jville.geo@y...> wrote:
> > > Gavin,
> > >
> > > Great question. It helps to think of songwriting as
> > > taking a journey with hills and dales and sidetrips.
> > >
> > > One cool move is to use the cycle of fifths as part of
> > > a chord progression. In key of C for example: C, G7,
> > > D- and then back to C, or go to A-7 for a bluesier
> > > end.
> > >
> > > It might help, too, to try some chord
> > > extensions...nothing extreme like in be-bop jazz, but
> > > 9ths instead of 7ths and -7th (minor 7ths) instead of
> > > plain minor should be fine in surf rock music. This
> > > helps to open up the sound and lets you play more
> > > interesting melodies and solos.
> > >
> > > You can also song (also called
> > > modulation). How this is done depenchange the key within ads on
> the
> > song.
> > > Some go right into the new key. Other modulate using a
> > > chord sequence to smooth out the change. Various
> > > strategies exist for key changing chord sequences. One
> > > of them is the II-V-I jazzbo trick, with the I chord
> > > being the new key center.
> > >
> > > There's lots of ways to go beyond the limitations of
> > > the typical 3-chord rock song!
> > >
> > > ~ Jonathan
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> > > Message: 13
> > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:02:41 -0000
> > > From: "Gavin Ehringer"
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> > > Subject: Re: Surf - music theory and other geek speak
> > > (Song writing)
> > >
> > > Okay, here's a question: if I sit down and try and
> > > write a song, I
> > > usually can't get beyond
> > > creating a simple riff. That tends to get plugged into
> > > a I-IV-V
> > > progression, and it all
> > > quickly gets stagnant and doesn't go anywhere. It's
> > > pretty stifling.
> > > Any suggestions on how
> > > I might unlock my song writing potential?
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DP,
Not meaning to drop names ;-) but...
I was a bass student of Carol Kaye's every week for a
few months in the mid-90's when she lived in San Diego
(Oceanside), just before she moved back to LA and
started teaching at the Mancini Institute.
The point is, we never discussed modes or modal
music...it wasn't anything she pushed. If I'd stay
with her longer, like a year or two, I suppose the
subject might've been broached. This knowledge could
be immensely useful if you're pushing the boundaries
of jazz improvisation (aka Miles Davis' "Kind Of Blue"
album) or are a very serious composer.
Surf guitar doesn't really get that pretentious,
right?
~ Jonathan
--- wrote:
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:34:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: DP <>
Subject: Re: Re: Surf - music theory and other geek
speak (Song
writing)
d boone (minutemen) was from the LA Punk days (early
1980s)
he talked a mess of modes...so did our old pals Chet
Atkins, James Jamerson and Carol Kaye...
;)
-dp
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Jon:
You're right about non-pretentiousness of surf...
only stuff i know about Carol Kaye and her teaching is from
her music books...some of those seem to me to be geared to
jazz-type bass facility and jazz-type composition.
the main thing I got from studying Carol Kaye is her
emphasis on rhythym, as well as her inventiveness when
approaching composition. Also, to my ear, it seems she
approaches many of her basslines from modal and "chordal
breakdown" pespective...things like "Hickey Burr" and her
motown works with Stevie Wonder, and the stuff she did with
Lalo Schiffrin.
I guess that's why I dropped her into the mode talk...she
seemed to be someone who influenced me to think in new ways
about how I approach the bass and music in general.
But, man, you are fortunate to have been able to benefit
from her "in person"...so thanks for the correction. It
seems like Carol really is as down to Earth as she comes
off in print.
-dp
PS: you know, really...surf guitar is whatever we make it
to be...I just want it to be good, simple as that ;)
--- Jonathan Villegas <> wrote:
> DP,
>
> Not meaning to drop names ;-) but...
>
> I was a bass student of Carol Kaye's every week for a
> few months in the mid-90's when she lived in San Diego
> (Oceanside), just before she moved back to LA and
> started teaching at the Mancini Institute.
>
> The point is, we never discussed modes or modal
> music...it wasn't anything she pushed. If I'd stay
> with her longer, like a year or two, I suppose the
> subject might've been broached. This knowledge could
> be immensely useful if you're pushing the boundaries
> of jazz improvisation (aka Miles Davis' "Kind Of Blue"
> album) or are a very serious composer.
>
> Surf guitar doesn't really get that pretentious,
> right?
>
> ~ Jonathan
>
>
> --- wrote:
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:34:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: DP <>
> Subject: Re: Re: Surf - music theory and other geek
> speak (Song
> writing)
>
> d boone (minutemen) was from the LA Punk days (early
> 1980s)
> he talked a mess of modes...so did our old pals Chet
> Atkins, James Jamerson and Carol Kaye...
>
> ;)
> -dp
>
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