Menu
(I'm away on a business trip, so I only have sporadic access to the
internet this whole week.)
I'd like to make another sixties surf recommendation. Probably the
most consistent CD of sixties surf music out there (outside of
Dick's "Greatest Hits") is the Lively Ones' "Hang Five!" (Del Fi).
This CD is chock full of great, great songs, many of which are
originals. it has a fantastic sound, and the playing is a thing of
beauty. The Lively Ones were all extremely capable musicians, and I
particularly dig their rhythm section, which was excellent. They
had something like five or six LPs on Del Fi in the sixties, but Del
Fi in the late nineties compiled almost all of the songs on two CDs
(the other being "Heads Up!" which is not nearly as essential
as "Hang Five" - "Heads Up" had a lot of sax-driven tracks and
mostly covers, many of them not being particularly inspired - with a
few exceptions, notably "Pipeline", which is awesome). They also
did a great job with the mastering for the CD, and the sound quality
is terrific. I was able to find these CDs new for $5-7 for a while
a few years ago, but I think they're still widely available if not
quite that cheap.
So, who can tell me how Jim Masoner (lead guitar) makes his guitar
sound like a galloping horse in the song "Exodus"? It sounds so
realistic!
Finally, though I have a great amount of respect and love for the
Lively Ones, I must say that I find Masoner's tone disappointing.
It seems kinda sterile and cold - it doesn't have that power of Dick
or Eddie or Randy Holden nor the warmth of the Astronauts, the
Chantays or the Pyramids. I always think of his sound as defining
the 'bad' Jaguar surf sound. What do you think? Am I off my rocker
here?
Ivan
Perhaps the songs with the worst lead guitar tone, were the ones recorded with
Masoner playing a 1960's Mosrite, (which he was photographed holding in band
promo pix).
Bruce D
ipongrac <> wrote:
(I'm away on a business trip, so I only have sporadic access to the
internet this whole week.)
I'd like to make another sixties surf recommendation. Probably the
most consistent CD of sixties surf music out there (outside of
Dick's "Greatest Hits") is the Lively Ones' "Hang Five!" (Del Fi).
This CD is chock full of great, great songs, many of which are
originals. it has a fantastic sound, and the playing is a thing of
beauty. The Lively Ones were all extremely capable musicians, and I
particularly dig their rhythm section, which was excellent. They
had something like five or six LPs on Del Fi in the sixties, but Del
Fi in the late nineties compiled almost all of the songs on two CDs
(the other being "Heads Up!" which is not nearly as essential
as "Hang Five" - "Heads Up" had a lot of sax-driven tracks and
mostly covers, many of them not being particularly inspired - with a
few exceptions, notably "Pipeline", which is awesome). They also
did a great job with the mastering for the CD, and the sound quality
is terrific. I was able to find these CDs new for $5-7 for a while
a few years ago, but I think they're still widely available if not
quite that cheap.
So, who can tell me how Jim Masoner (lead guitar) makes his guitar
sound like a galloping horse in the song "Exodus"? It sounds so
realistic!
Finally, though I have a great amount of respect and love for the
Lively Ones, I must say that I find Masoner's tone disappointing.
It seems kinda sterile and cold - it doesn't have that power of Dick
or Eddie or Randy Holden nor the warmth of the Astronauts, the
Chantays or the Pyramids. I always think of his sound as defining
the 'bad' Jaguar surf sound. What do you think? Am I off my rocker
here?
Ivan
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>
> Finally, though I have a great amount of respect and love for the
> Lively Ones, I must say that I find Masoner's tone disappointing.
> It seems kinda sterile and cold - it doesn't have that power of Dick
> or Eddie or Randy Holden nor the warmth of the Astronauts, the
> Chantays or the Pyramids. I always think of his sound as defining
> the 'bad' Jaguar surf sound. What do you think? Am I off my rocker
> here?
>
> Ivan
Ivan, I've always read that Jim went for Telecaster and embraced this
instrument. He even recomended it to that kid he was managing
Jerry "something or other." Maybe that's the cruddy tone. But I do
hear trem action on some of their stuff so yeah, I guess he did use
the Jaguar. I don't even recall seeing him with a Mosrite. But I do
recall seeing the Lively Ones bassist with a Ventures Mosrite with
tape over the headstock!
Bill
Ya The Lively Ones are great. I don't have a particular beef with Masoner's tone
but that's probably 'cause I'm distracted by the drummer who has such a great
feel. The album of their's I listen to most often is "Surf City". I kinda like
Masoner's sound on that but it's definitley not heavy reverb.
-Marty
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From: ipongrac
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Subject: [SurfGuitar101] The Lively Ones
(I'm away on a business trip, so I only have sporadic access to the
internet this whole week.)
I'd like to make another sixties surf recommendation. Probably the
most consistent CD of sixties surf music out there (outside of
Dick's "Greatest Hits") is the Lively Ones' "Hang Five!" (Del Fi).
This CD is chock full of great, great songs, many of which are
originals. it has a fantastic sound, and the playing is a thing of
beauty. The Lively Ones were all extremely capable musicians, and I
particularly dig their rhythm section, which was excellent. They
had something like five or six LPs on Del Fi in the sixties, but Del
Fi in the late nineties compiled almost all of the songs on two CDs
(the other being "Heads Up!" which is not nearly as essential
as "Hang Five" - "Heads Up" had a lot of sax-driven tracks and
mostly covers, many of them not being particularly inspired - with a
few exceptions, notably "Pipeline", which is awesome). They also
did a great job with the mastering for the CD, and the sound quality
is terrific. I was able to find these CDs new for $5-7 for a while
a few years ago, but I think they're still widely available if not
quite that cheap.
So, who can tell me how Jim Masoner (lead guitar) makes his guitar
sound like a galloping horse in the song "Exodus"? It sounds so
realistic!
Finally, though I have a great amount of respect and love for the
Lively Ones, I must say that I find Masoner's tone disappointing.
It seems kinda sterile and cold - it doesn't have that power of Dick
or Eddie or Randy Holden nor the warmth of the Astronauts, the
Chantays or the Pyramids. I always think of his sound as defining
the 'bad' Jaguar surf sound. What do you think? Am I off my rocker
here?
Ivan
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I also really dig that "Hang Five" Del-Fi CD. Really cool stuff! And
Exodus, yeah, how does he do that? It sounds kind of like a warbly
echo or something. I dunno...?
One of the many highlights for me of seeing Satan's Pilgrims was
hearing their cover of High Tide (aka Tranquilizer).
I haven't noticed anything about Jim Masoners tone though. I'll give
it another listen.
Masoner is pictured with either a Jag or a Telecaster in the Surfin'
Guitars book.
I gotta tell you though I was really disappointed with their
performance on that 2000 Rendezvous Ballroom reunion CD. Not too
lively there...zzzzzz. I think both Ivan and DP were there and
witnessed it first hand.
But man, back in the day, they killed! One of my favorite 1st wave
bands for sure.
BN
Hey Ivan,
Sometimes you are so right-on. I have these albums/CDs, and I really appreciate
the Lively
Ones. When I first took up the guitar and began playing surf music, the Lively
Ones were
where I turned to listen.
I once wrote to them and said that they should have gotten more "bounce" from
Surf Rider
and Bustin' Surfboards, both from the Pulp Fiction soundtrack. Clearly, the
Lively Ones
were among the very best of the early surf bands. Even their cover songs were
interesting,
often having intrumentation and arrangements which made the songs superior to
the
originals, IMHO.
And, I concur, Masoner's Jaguar has a kind of thin, strangled sound that isn't
as appealing
as Dale's much more full-bodied tone.
Thanks for mentioning this great Sixties band!
G
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> (I'm away on a business trip, so I only have sporadic access to the
> internet this whole week.)
>
> I'd like to make another sixties surf recommendation. Probably the
> most consistent CD of sixties surf music out there (outside of
> Dick's "Greatest Hits") is the Lively Ones' "Hang Five!" (Del Fi).
> This CD is chock full of great, great songs, many of which are
> originals. it has a fantastic sound, and the playing is a thing of
> beauty. The Lively Ones were all extremely capable musicians, and I
> particularly dig their rhythm section, which was excellent. They
> had something like five or six LPs on Del Fi in the sixties, but Del
> Fi in the late nineties compiled almost all of the songs on two CDs
> (the other being "Heads Up!" which is not nearly as essential
> as "Hang Five" - "Heads Up" had a lot of sax-driven tracks and
> mostly covers, many of them not being particularly inspired - with a
> few exceptions, notably "Pipeline", which is awesome). They also
> did a great job with the mastering for the CD, and the sound quality
> is terrific. I was able to find these CDs new for $5-7 for a while
> a few years ago, but I think they're still widely available if not
> quite that cheap.
>
> So, who can tell me how Jim Masoner (lead guitar) makes his guitar
> sound like a galloping horse in the song "Exodus"? It sounds so
> realistic!
>
> Finally, though I have a great amount of respect and love for the
> Lively Ones, I must say that I find Masoner's tone disappointing.
> It seems kinda sterile and cold - it doesn't have that power of Dick
> or Eddie or Randy Holden nor the warmth of the Astronauts, the
> Chantays or the Pyramids. I always think of his sound as defining
> the 'bad' Jaguar surf sound. What do you think? Am I off my rocker
> here?
>
> Ivan
Here, here. Tranquilizer and their version of Wipe Out is real surf
danger!
--- In , "Gavin Ehringer"
<gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> Hey Ivan,
> Sometimes you are so right-on. I have these albums/CDs, and I really
appreciate the Lively
> Ones. When I first took up the guitar and began playing surf music,
the Lively Ones were
> where I turned to listen.
>
> I once wrote to them and said that they should have gotten more
"bounce" from Surf Rider
> and Bustin' Surfboards, both from the Pulp Fiction soundtrack.
Clearly, the Lively Ones
> were among the very best of the early surf bands. Even their cover
songs were interesting,
> often having intrumentation and arrangements which made the songs
superior to the
> originals, IMHO.
>
> And, I concur, Masoner's Jaguar has a kind of thin, strangled sound
that isn't as appealing
> as Dale's much more full-bodied tone.
>
> Thanks for mentioning this great Sixties band!
>
> G
>
> --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> > (I'm away on a business trip, so I only have sporadic access to the
> > internet this whole week.)
> >
> > I'd like to make another sixties surf recommendation. Probably the
> > most consistent CD of sixties surf music out there (outside of
> > Dick's "Greatest Hits") is the Lively Ones' "Hang Five!" (Del Fi).
> > This CD is chock full of great, great songs, many of which are
> > originals. it has a fantastic sound, and the playing is a thing of
> > beauty. The Lively Ones were all extremely capable musicians, and I
> > particularly dig their rhythm section, which was excellent. They
> > had something like five or six LPs on Del Fi in the sixties, but Del
> > Fi in the late nineties compiled almost all of the songs on two CDs
> > (the other being "Heads Up!" which is not nearly as essential
> > as "Hang Five" - "Heads Up" had a lot of sax-driven tracks and
> > mostly covers, many of them not being particularly inspired - with a
> > few exceptions, notably "Pipeline", which is awesome). They also
> > did a great job with the mastering for the CD, and the sound quality
> > is terrific. I was able to find these CDs new for $5-7 for a while
> > a few years ago, but I think they're still widely available if not
> > quite that cheap.
> >
> > So, who can tell me how Jim Masoner (lead guitar) makes his guitar
> > sound like a galloping horse in the song "Exodus"? It sounds so
> > realistic!
> >
> > Finally, though I have a great amount of respect and love for the
> > Lively Ones, I must say that I find Masoner's tone disappointing.
> > It seems kinda sterile and cold - it doesn't have that power of Dick
> > or Eddie or Randy Holden nor the warmth of the Astronauts, the
> > Chantays or the Pyramids. I always think of his sound as defining
> > the 'bad' Jaguar surf sound. What do you think? Am I off my rocker
> > here?
> >
> > Ivan
Bill:
Amazingly, the last time I saw the (un-) Lively Ones live
(Rendevous Reunion 2000), Ron Griffith was still playing
that Mosrite Bass...I don't remember electrical tape over
the "Ventures" logo...maybe he got over that, finally.
I think he loves his Mosrite bass, I know I loved mine
(until it was abducted by evil bass theives...)
-dp
--- supertwangreverb <> wrote:
>
> >
> > Finally, though I have a great amount of respect and
> love for the
> > Lively Ones, I must say that I find Masoner's tone
> disappointing.
> > It seems kinda sterile and cold - it doesn't have that
> power of Dick
> > or Eddie or Randy Holden nor the warmth of the
> Astronauts, the
> > Chantays or the Pyramids. I always think of his sound
> as defining
> > the 'bad' Jaguar surf sound. What do you think? Am I
> off my rocker
> > here?
> >
> > Ivan
>
> Ivan, I've always read that Jim went for Telecaster and
> embraced this
> instrument. He even recomended it to that kid he was
> managing
> Jerry "something or other." Maybe that's the cruddy
> tone. But I do
> hear trem action on some of their stuff so yeah, I guess
> he did use
> the Jaguar. I don't even recall seeing him with a
> Mosrite. But I do
> recall seeing the Lively Ones bassist with a Ventures
> Mosrite with
> tape over the headstock!
>
> Bill
>
>
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Ivan... damn few (if any) originals.
Covers: Surf Rider, Misirlou, Surf Beat, Exodus, The Caterpillar Crawl,
Telstar Surf, Mr. Moto, Cryin' Guitar, Guitarget, Bustin' Surfboards,
Rawhide, Shootin' The Pier, Forty Miles Of Bad Surf, Rik-A-Tik, Night
and Day and on and on. Add Pipeline, Wipe Out, Shut Down, Sleep Walk,
Surfin' Safari, Surfin' USA, Wild Weekend, Chicken Scratch, Exodus,
Paradise Cove, Rawhide, Tequila, Hot Pastrami, Soul Surfer, Rumble,
Tuff Surf, Surfer Boogie, Guitar Man, Mexico, Latin'ia, Torquay...
Their other songs on that CD were mostly written by engineer Bob
Summers, or were retitled covers, and not written by band members. They
were a cover band - ABSOLUTELY GREAT - but a cover band.
Phil
--- ipongrac <> wrote:
Probably the most consistent CD of sixties surf music out
there (outside of Dick's "Greatest Hits") is the Lively Ones'
"Hang Five!" (Del Fi). This CD is chock full of great, great
songs, many of which are originals.
Several Sundays ago I was fortunate to see former Lively Ones drummer
Tim Fitzpatrick play with The Dynatones at the Huntington Beach Pier.
I love the sound of the original Lively Ones. The band that plays from
time to time as The Lively Ones with only one original member sounds
much different today.
Check the Surf Musuem web site. They have some good bands scheduled &
it's amazing who you see in the crowd at these shows. Its almost a
whose who of surf guitar players. The Torquays really rocked HB this
past Sunday.
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
> Ya The Lively Ones are great. I don't have a particular beef with
Masoner's tone but that's probably 'cause I'm distracted by the
drummer who has such a great feel. The album of their's I listen to
most often is "Surf City". I kinda like Masoner's sound on that but
it's definitley not heavy reverb.
> -Marty
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
>
> I gotta tell you though I was really disappointed with their
> performance on that 2000 Rendezvous Ballroom reunion CD. Not too
> lively there...zzzzzz. I think both Ivan and DP were there and
> witnessed it first hand.
>
> But man, back in the day, they killed! One of my favorite 1st wave
> bands for sure.
>
> BN
The sax player was the only original member in the 2000 show. You
could tell.
--- In , "hbseacliff" <hbseacliff@y...>
wrote:
>
> The sax player was the only original member in the 2000 show. You
> could tell.
No, that's not true. I am almost certain that it was the entire
original lineup. There was a double-CD released of that show that
lists all the band members, where we can check. Unfortunately, I'm
not home right now so i can't check. Does anyone else have that CD?
If nothing else, I'm certain that it was Masoner on lead, but I'm
almost certain that the rest of the band was all original members, too.
Ivan
--- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...>
wrote:
> Ivan... damn few (if any) originals.
>
> Their other songs on that CD were mostly written by engineer Bob
> Summers, or were retitled covers, and not written by band members.
They
> were a cover band - ABSOLUTELY GREAT - but a cover band.
Phil, who wrote these songs:
High Tide (Tranquilizer), Goofy Foot (Surf Battle), Crying Guitar
(Surfer's Lament), Guitarget (Hotdoggen), Forty Miles of Bad Surf,
Shootin' The Pier, Happy Gremmie, Crazy Surf.
These are the songs I think of as their originals, even if it was
Summers that wrote them (though some of these may be covers, I'm not
sure). "The Savage" was written by the Shadows producer Norrie
Paramour, but most people still think of it as a Shadows original.
Ivan
Ivan,
"Shootin' the Pier" is a cover of Freddie King's "San-Ho-Zay."
-Warren
ipongrac <> wrote:
--- In , Phil Dirt
wrote:
> Ivan... damn few (if any) originals.
>
> Their other songs on that CD were mostly written by engineer Bob
> Summers, or were retitled covers, and not written by band members.
They
> were a cover band - ABSOLUTELY GREAT - but a cover band.
Phil, who wrote these songs:
High Tide (Tranquilizer), Goofy Foot (Surf Battle), Crying Guitar
(Surfer's Lament), Guitarget (Hotdoggen), Forty Miles of Bad Surf,
Shootin' The Pier, Happy Gremmie, Crazy Surf.
These are the songs I think of as their originals, even if it was
Summers that wrote them (though some of these may be covers, I'm not
sure). "The Savage" was written by the Shadows producer Norrie
Paramour, but most people still think of it as a Shadows original.
Ivan
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I do like the Lively Ones although I've always found them a bit
overrated. They wouldn't qualify in my top 5 (maybe not even in my top
10) of the 1st wave bands who managed an album or more. Sure they have
some great songs but I just find the majority of their stuff not that
exiting (and some of the sax lead songs are down right horrible). I
also think many of their cover versions are better done by others.
As for their lead guitar tone, I think it sometimes (e.g. on "Surf
Beat") suffers due to a terrible stereo mix, where the guitar is too
low in volume and only present in one channel, while the drums in the
other channel are way too loud. I bet it would sound much better in a
proper mono mix.
Speaking of mono mixes, I wonder if we are the only band recording in
mono these days?
Klas / The Surfites
Klas, One of our tracks on our album is in mono. If I could do it
over again I'd do the whole thing lo-fi lol.
Bill
www.reluctantaquanauts.com
--- In , "Klas Fjellgren"
<surfites@b...> wrote:
> I do like the Lively Ones although I've always found them a bit
> overrated. They wouldn't qualify in my top 5 (maybe not even in my
top
> 10) of the 1st wave bands who managed an album or more. Sure they
have
> some great songs but I just find the majority of their stuff not
that
> exiting (and some of the sax lead songs are down right horrible).
I
> also think many of their cover versions are better done by others.
>
> As for their lead guitar tone, I think it sometimes (e.g. on "Surf
> Beat") suffers due to a terrible stereo mix, where the guitar is
too
> low in volume and only present in one channel, while the drums in
the
> other channel are way too loud. I bet it would sound much better
in a
> proper mono mix.
>
> Speaking of mono mixes, I wonder if we are the only band recording
in
> mono these days?
>
> Klas / The Surfites
>
>
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> Phil, who wrote these songs:
>
> High Tide (Tranquilizer), Goofy Foot (Surf Battle), Crying Guitar
> (Surfer's Lament), Guitarget (Hotdoggen), Forty Miles of Bad Surf,
> Shootin' The Pier, Happy Gremmie, Crazy Surf.
>
> These are the songs I think of as their originals, even if it was
> Summers that wrote them (though some of these may be covers, I'm not
> sure). "The Savage" was written by the Shadows producer Norrie
> Paramour, but most people still think of it as a Shadows original.
>
Isn't Forty Miles of Bad Surf a reworking of Duane Eddy's Forty Miles
of Bad Road?
I recall reading in the liner notes that Goofy Foot is their hyped up
take on Apache. I still think it's different enough to qualify as an
original though...
BN
Yeah, "Shootin' the Pier" is an old Freddy King track... IMO I'm
yet to hear a version of "Shootin the Pier" that's as good as the
original Freddy track.
"40 Miles of Bad Surf" sounds a little like Duane Eddy's "40 Miles
of Bad Road."
Bill
www.reluctantaquanauts.com
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
wrote:
> --- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...>
> wrote:
> > Ivan... damn few (if any) originals.
> >
> > Their other songs on that CD were mostly written by engineer Bob
> > Summers, or were retitled covers, and not written by band
members.
> They
> > were a cover band - ABSOLUTELY GREAT - but a cover band.
>
> Phil, who wrote these songs:
>
> High Tide (Tranquilizer), Goofy Foot (Surf Battle), Crying Guitar
> (Surfer's Lament), Guitarget (Hotdoggen), Forty Miles of Bad Surf,
> Shootin' The Pier, Happy Gremmie, Crazy Surf.
>
> These are the songs I think of as their originals, even if it was
> Summers that wrote them (though some of these may be covers, I'm
not
> sure). "The Savage" was written by the Shadows producer Norrie
> Paramour, but most people still think of it as a Shadows
original.
>
> Ivan
ivan:
You are correct: Jim Masoner (lead), Ed Chiaverini
(rhythm), Tim Fitzpatrick (drums), Ron Griffith (bass),
Joel Willenbring (sax)...they were all there in 2000...
Joel Willembring the sax guy is currently playing with the
Tornadoes (from Redlands CA)...you know "Bustin'
Surfboards".
-dp
--- ipongrac <> wrote:
> --- In , "hbseacliff"
> <hbseacliff@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > The sax player was the only original member in the 2000
> show. You
> > could tell.
>
> No, that's not true. I am almost certain that it was the
> entire
> original lineup. There was a double-CD released of that
> show that
> lists all the band members, where we can check.
> Unfortunately, I'm
> not home right now so i can't check. Does anyone else
> have that CD?
>
> If nothing else, I'm certain that it was Masoner on lead,
> but I'm
> almost certain that the rest of the band was all original
> members, too.
>
> Ivan
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Why the Lively Ones liked Sommers' recrodings is a mystery to me. Some
were very good, but many were dreadful. I think he was one of the most
inconsistent engineers in the surf arena. His work was too often tinny
and low resolution. Major mastering was required.
--- Klas Fjellgren <> wrote:
---------------------------------
I do like the Lively Ones although I've always found them a bit
overrated. They wouldn't qualify in my top 5 (maybe not even in my top
10) of the 1st wave bands who managed an album or more. Sure they have
some great songs but I just find the majority of their stuff not that
exiting (and some of the sax lead songs are down right horrible). I
also think many of their cover versions are better done by others.
As for their lead guitar tone, I think it sometimes (e.g. on "Surf
Beat") suffers due to a terrible stereo mix, where the guitar is too
low in volume and only present in one channel, while the drums in the
other channel are way too loud. I bet it would sound much better in a
proper mono mix.
Speaking of mono mixes, I wonder if we are the only band recording in
mono these days?
Klas / The Surfites
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