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Well yes, who in their right mind would talk smack about Dusty? But I wouldn't
have a different point of view about Dick if he did because I take anything Dick
says with a major grain of salt and I'd figure Dick was hurt by Dusty's
departure.
So we both think Dick is a great player and we both realize he has ego issues.
The difference between our POV's is similar to the difference between the
optimist and pesimist. One can think of Dick first for his achievements and
rarely think about his social shortcomings or one can do the reverse.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To:
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DICK, is the King of Dickness. was Nitro Fuel
fails to ignite
Marty,
Don't get me wrong, I am blown away by the Player, just not
the person. If you were there at the Jim Pash bennefit, when he was
talking shit on Dusty I think you might have a different view too.
I'm one of the first people to aknowedge his( and leo's) Pioneering
of Bigger badder better amps, speakers, Reverb, etc, etc.
Many surf o philes dis regard this, or don't believe.
I've seen Dick probably about 30 times in 8 years. The only way I'll
see him now is if he's playing a free show somewhere. Or local surf
bands are opening for him.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> And then there are those who are still blinded by the "bigness"
that is Dick Dale. Big Tiki and Billy Blastoff, repent! You will be
one of us!
> -Stepford Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ipongrac
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:50 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Nitro Fuel fails to ignite
>
>
> God, so many great posts today!! Very cool! Of course, that
> happens when I have no time to participate. Typical. Well, I'll
> try now...
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Now wait a minute, Ivan,
> >
> > I remember a certain lead guitarist of the Space Cossacks who
was
> > much less enamered with Dick Dale being more distracted by
Dick's
> > ego, and when talk of Dick came up on the lists, he made less
than
> > complimentary remarks about the guy. So now there's a drought
in
> > Dick talk and you're not happy about it! Well ultimately I'm
> > refreshed that you are now championing the King of the Surf
> > Guitar.
>
> Ah, Marty, you think you got me, but I challenge you to find
among
> all of those less-than-complimentary comments I had about Dick
even
> one disparaging remark about his music or guitar playing,
especially
> from the sixties! Nope, won't happen, cause I never uttered it.
> I'll freely admit that between '98 and '00 I had had it with
Dick's
> antics at his live shows, all of his self-promotion, his twisting
of
> historical facts, his crap about indiginous people everywhere,
> enviromentalism. (BTW, I greatly enjoyed his shows last month
and
> last year, but he's a lot better than he was in the nineties, I
> think.) But none of that matters - what matters is the awesome
> music he left us.
>
> The point is, as I also tried to indicate in a previous message,
> that as I made some effort to get to know some of his more
obscure
> music, I was richly rewarded, which is why I'm recommending it on
> the list to the others. There are a lot of lost diamonds on
those
> six albums of his, that few surf fans know about. (Another
> one: "Firing Up" - what awesome guitar work there is on that one!)
>
> > I do get that your point is really about the lack of surf talk
in
> > general on this list and not so much about Dick Dale but
keeping
> > on DD, I'm guessin' Rhino, Sundazed or EMI could have released
the
> > Capitol albums. It's a mystery to me why they haven't.
>
> It seems you all did a good job covering this. I agree it's
> Dick's 'fault.' He owns the masters and for whatever reason
doesn't
> want to reissue the albums. We need an email campaign...
>
> > Of course that partially 'splains why few in the group can talk
> > about the albums and their deep tracks.
>
> Right, I get that, but they're still out there and available.
And
> the bootlegs are around too. My point was to get people
interested
> in trying to discover that stuff. And I know SOME people know
about
> the song, as was shown subsequently.
>
> > I was gonna say that lists devoted to certain artists as
opposed
> > to this list devoted to the whole genre, feature talk that goes
> > much deeper into obscure album tracks. It does on The Ventures
> > list that I host and The Shadows list but then I think about
the
> > Chet list that was goin' great guns and has sorta died out.
Some
> > lists seem to have a shelf life.
>
> Well, these lists are what we make them. If people immediately
go
> off on non-surf tangents when a topic comes up, then nobody's
gonna
> give a crap. But if we consciously decide to stick to the
topics,
> it may be only a couple of people initially discussing something,
> but that discussion may trigger further discussion and so on.
> Obviously, conversation progress by following tangents - but as
long
> as the tangents are relevant to surf music, it's no problem. As
> we've seen today, there are a lot of people that want to learn
more
> about sixties surf and there are some people that do in fact know
> something or even much about it. I think I know quite a bit, but
I
> really want to learn more. And I do learn more from others,
which
> is why I'm here in the first place. But as great as many of the
non-
> surf artists are that have popped on this list discussions, I
> absolutely believe they're discussion killers. People are not
here
> to talk about non-surf artists. So, let's all be a bit more
aware
> of that and a bit more focused in our discussions.
>
> Also, people shouldn't be afraid to ASK QUESTIONS!!! If you
don't
> know something but have some interest, bring it up, for God's
sake!
> That's how we all get an opportunity to engage in some
interesting
> discussion, be exposed to some surf music that we don't know, and
> learn in the process.
>
> Ivan
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In other words. It's ok to play like Dick, just don't be one................
Chuckle, chuckle..........
B-B-O
---- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> Well yes, who in their right mind would talk smack about Dusty? But I wouldn't
have a different point of view about Dick if he did because I take anything Dick
says with a major grain of salt and I'd figure Dick was hurt by Dusty's
departure.
>
> So we both think Dick is a great player and we both realize he has ego issues.
The difference between our POV's is similar to the difference between the
optimist and pesimist. One can think of Dick first for his achievements and
rarely think about his social shortcomings or one can do the reverse.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:32 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DICK, is the King of Dickness. was Nitro Fuel
fails to ignite
>
>
> Marty,
> Don't get me wrong, I am blown away by the Player, just not
> the person. If you were there at the Jim Pash bennefit, when he was
> talking shit on Dusty I think you might have a different view too.
> I'm one of the first people to aknowedge his( and leo's) Pioneering
> of Bigger badder better amps, speakers, Reverb, etc, etc.
> Many surf o philes dis regard this, or don't believe.
>
> I've seen Dick probably about 30 times in 8 years. The only way I'll
> see him now is if he's playing a free show somewhere. Or local surf
> bands are opening for him.
>
> Jeff(bigtikidude)
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> > And then there are those who are still blinded by the "bigness"
> that is Dick Dale. Big Tiki and Billy Blastoff, repent! You will be
> one of us!
> > -Stepford Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ipongrac
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:50 PM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Nitro Fuel fails to ignite
> >
> >
> > God, so many great posts today!! Very cool! Of course, that
> > happens when I have no time to participate. Typical. Well, I'll
> > try now...
> >
> > --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Now wait a minute, Ivan,
> > >
> > > I remember a certain lead guitarist of the Space Cossacks who
> was
> > > much less enamered with Dick Dale being more distracted by
> Dick's
> > > ego, and when talk of Dick came up on the lists, he made less
> than
> > > complimentary remarks about the guy. So now there's a drought
> in
> > > Dick talk and you're not happy about it! Well ultimately I'm
> > > refreshed that you are now championing the King of the Surf
> > > Guitar.
> >
> > Ah, Marty, you think you got me, but I challenge you to find
> among
> > all of those less-than-complimentary comments I had about Dick
> even
> > one disparaging remark about his music or guitar playing,
> especially
> > from the sixties! Nope, won't happen, cause I never uttered it.
> > I'll freely admit that between '98 and '00 I had had it with
> Dick's
> > antics at his live shows, all of his self-promotion, his twisting
> of
> > historical facts, his crap about indiginous people everywhere,
> > enviromentalism. (BTW, I greatly enjoyed his shows last month
> and
> > last year, but he's a lot better than he was in the nineties, I
> > think.) But none of that matters - what matters is the awesome
> > music he left us.
> >
> > The point is, as I also tried to indicate in a previous message,
> > that as I made some effort to get to know some of his more
> obscure
> > music, I was richly rewarded, which is why I'm recommending it on
> > the list to the others. There are a lot of lost diamonds on
> those
> > six albums of his, that few surf fans know about. (Another
> > one: "Firing Up" - what awesome guitar work there is on that one!)
> >
> > > I do get that your point is really about the lack of surf talk
> in
> > > general on this list and not so much about Dick Dale but
> keeping
> > > on DD, I'm guessin' Rhino, Sundazed or EMI could have released
> the
> > > Capitol albums. It's a mystery to me why they haven't.
> >
> > It seems you all did a good job covering this. I agree it's
> > Dick's 'fault.' He owns the masters and for whatever reason
> doesn't
> > want to reissue the albums. We need an email campaign...
> >
> > > Of course that partially 'splains why few in the group can talk
> > > about the albums and their deep tracks.
> >
> > Right, I get that, but they're still out there and available.
> And
> > the bootlegs are around too. My point was to get people
> interested
> > in trying to discover that stuff. And I know SOME people know
> about
> > the song, as was shown subsequently.
> >
> > > I was gonna say that lists devoted to certain artists as
> opposed
> > > to this list devoted to the whole genre, feature talk that goes
> > > much deeper into obscure album tracks. It does on The Ventures
> > > list that I host and The Shadows list but then I think about
> the
> > > Chet list that was goin' great guns and has sorta died out.
> Some
> > > lists seem to have a shelf life.
> >
> > Well, these lists are what we make them. If people immediately
> go
> > off on non-surf tangents when a topic comes up, then nobody's
> gonna
> > give a crap. But if we consciously decide to stick to the
> topics,
> > it may be only a couple of people initially discussing something,
> > but that discussion may trigger further discussion and so on.
> > Obviously, conversation progress by following tangents - but as
> long
> > as the tangents are relevant to surf music, it's no problem. As
> > we've seen today, there are a lot of people that want to learn
> more
> > about sixties surf and there are some people that do in fact know
> > something or even much about it. I think I know quite a bit, but
> I
> > really want to learn more. And I do learn more from others,
> which
> > is why I'm here in the first place. But as great as many of the
> non-
> > surf artists are that have popped on this list discussions, I
> > absolutely believe they're discussion killers. People are not
> here
> > to talk about non-surf artists. So, let's all be a bit more
> aware
> > of that and a bit more focused in our discussions.
> >
> > Also, people shouldn't be afraid to ASK QUESTIONS!!! If you
> don't
> > know something but have some interest, bring it up, for God's
> sake!
> > That's how we all get an opportunity to engage in some
> interesting
> > discussion, be exposed to some surf music that we don't know, and
> > learn in the process.
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> >
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Ok Marty, so we kinda see eye to eye on this(although I have to look
down a few inches)j/k of course :)
And I understand totally what you are saying. I've just come to the
point, where I'm not chomping on the bit to see him 4 or 5 times a
year like I used to. If it's once a year or 2, with other bands, then
fine, I'm not going to go up to him, and say all the shit I do here.
But I'm not going to go up and kiss his ass either. I just watch and
take it at face value, and leave after.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Well yes, who in their right mind would talk smack about Dusty? But
I wouldn't have a different point of view about Dick if he did
because I take anything Dick says with a major grain of salt and I'd
figure Dick was hurt by Dusty's departure.
>
> So we both think Dick is a great player and we both realize he has
ego issues. The difference between our POV's is similar to the
difference between the optimist and pesimist. One can think of Dick
first for his achievements and rarely think about his social
shortcomings or one can do the reverse.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:32 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DICK, is the King of Dickness. was
Nitro Fuel fails to ignite
>
>
> Marty,
> Don't get me wrong, I am blown away by the Player, just not
> the person. If you were there at the Jim Pash bennefit, when he
was
> talking shit on Dusty I think you might have a different view too.
> I'm one of the first people to aknowedge his( and leo's)
Pioneering
> of Bigger badder better amps, speakers, Reverb, etc, etc.
> Many surf o philes dis regard this, or don't believe.
>
> I've seen Dick probably about 30 times in 8 years. The only way
I'll
> see him now is if he's playing a free show somewhere. Or local
surf
> bands are opening for him.
>
> Jeff(bigtikidude)
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> > And then there are those who are still blinded by the "bigness"
> that is Dick Dale. Big Tiki and Billy Blastoff, repent! You will
be
> one of us!
> > -Stepford Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ipongrac
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:50 PM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Nitro Fuel fails to ignite
> >
> >
> > God, so many great posts today!! Very cool! Of course, that
> > happens when I have no time to participate. Typical. Well,
I'll
> > try now...
> >
> > --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Now wait a minute, Ivan,
> > >
> > > I remember a certain lead guitarist of the Space Cossacks
who
> was
> > > much less enamered with Dick Dale being more distracted by
> Dick's
> > > ego, and when talk of Dick came up on the lists, he made
less
> than
> > > complimentary remarks about the guy. So now there's a
drought
> in
> > > Dick talk and you're not happy about it! Well ultimately
I'm
> > > refreshed that you are now championing the King of the Surf
> > > Guitar.
> >
> > Ah, Marty, you think you got me, but I challenge you to find
> among
> > all of those less-than-complimentary comments I had about
Dick
> even
> > one disparaging remark about his music or guitar playing,
> especially
> > from the sixties! Nope, won't happen, cause I never uttered
it.
> > I'll freely admit that between '98 and '00 I had had it with
> Dick's
> > antics at his live shows, all of his self-promotion, his
twisting
> of
> > historical facts, his crap about indiginous people
everywhere,
> > enviromentalism. (BTW, I greatly enjoyed his shows last
month
> and
> > last year, but he's a lot better than he was in the nineties,
I
> > think.) But none of that matters - what matters is the
awesome
> > music he left us.
> >
> > The point is, as I also tried to indicate in a previous
message,
> > that as I made some effort to get to know some of his more
> obscure
> > music, I was richly rewarded, which is why I'm recommending
it on
> > the list to the others. There are a lot of lost diamonds on
> those
> > six albums of his, that few surf fans know about. (Another
> > one: "Firing Up" - what awesome guitar work there is on that
one!)
> >
> > > I do get that your point is really about the lack of surf
talk
> in
> > > general on this list and not so much about Dick Dale but
> keeping
> > > on DD, I'm guessin' Rhino, Sundazed or EMI could have
released
> the
> > > Capitol albums. It's a mystery to me why they haven't.
> >
> > It seems you all did a good job covering this. I agree it's
> > Dick's 'fault.' He owns the masters and for whatever reason
> doesn't
> > want to reissue the albums. We need an email campaign...
> >
> > > Of course that partially 'splains why few in the group can
talk
> > > about the albums and their deep tracks.
> >
> > Right, I get that, but they're still out there and
available.
> And
> > the bootlegs are around too. My point was to get people
> interested
> > in trying to discover that stuff. And I know SOME people
know
> about
> > the song, as was shown subsequently.
> >
> > > I was gonna say that lists devoted to certain artists as
> opposed
> > > to this list devoted to the whole genre, feature talk that
goes
> > > much deeper into obscure album tracks. It does on The
Ventures
> > > list that I host and The Shadows list but then I think
about
> the
> > > Chet list that was goin' great guns and has sorta died out.
> Some
> > > lists seem to have a shelf life.
> >
> > Well, these lists are what we make them. If people
immediately
> go
> > off on non-surf tangents when a topic comes up, then nobody's
> gonna
> > give a crap. But if we consciously decide to stick to the
> topics,
> > it may be only a couple of people initially discussing
something,
> > but that discussion may trigger further discussion and so
on.
> > Obviously, conversation progress by following tangents - but
as
> long
> > as the tangents are relevant to surf music, it's no problem.
As
> > we've seen today, there are a lot of people that want to
learn
> more
> > about sixties surf and there are some people that do in fact
know
> > something or even much about it. I think I know quite a bit,
but
> I
> > really want to learn more. And I do learn more from others,
> which
> > is why I'm here in the first place. But as great as many of
the
> non-
> > surf artists are that have popped on this list discussions, I
> > absolutely believe they're discussion killers. People are
not
> here
> > to talk about non-surf artists. So, let's all be a bit more
> aware
> > of that and a bit more focused in our discussions.
> >
> > Also, people shouldn't be afraid to ASK QUESTIONS!!! If you
> don't
> > know something but have some interest, bring it up, for God's
> sake!
> > That's how we all get an opportunity to engage in some
> interesting
> > discussion, be exposed to some surf music that we don't know,
and
> > learn in the process.
> >
> > Ivan
> >
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