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A question and a Rant from a drummer

Jeff (bigtikidude) - 07 Jun 2005 21:51:37

DP,
So your saying you play goofyfoot with your feet onthe table?
What would your mother think? Shame on you :)
Jeff(bigtikidude)
--- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> ...well...feet, of course...doesn't everyone?
>
> duh!, the tune's called "goofy foot" for cryin' out loud...
>
> -dp
>
>
>
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> --- howlinthurstons <howlinthurstons@y...> wrote:
>
> > --- In , DP <noetical1@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >> i can beat out "goofy foot" by the lively ones on the
> > table
> > > top...does that make me a drummer?
> > > ;) dp
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> > feet???
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Dan Bartley (bigtwangguy) - 08 Jun 2005 18:56:57

It's interesting... electric guitar came about so that the player could play
single note horn-like lines and be heard. Before guitar amplification, it was
strictly a rhythm instrument...and barely heard at that. For the most part it
seems to me that it stayed that way (except for some blues) until Chuck came
along and, in a sense, "dumbed down" electric guitar playing with his
lead/rhythm style. Yet, he invented a style that never went away, that almost
every modern rock guitarist to this day owes something to. Surf guitarists were
certainly influenced somewhat by Chuck.
However, because of Chuck's enormous influence on guitar playing, rock and roll
guitarists in general stopped playing horn-like lines and concentrated on the
blues/pentatonic scales, bending full, not half tones, as they went along.
If a seasoned guitarist who knows his theory sits in on jam sometime, he won't
have to ask what the key is or what the changes are. If a player who has only
played Keith or Eric or Chuck sits in, chances are he'll want to play Johnny B
Goode.
Dan
howlinthurstons <> wrote:
Dude:
You make some good points. First of all you're right the tune
is "Jazzman" not "Sax man" My bad.
Horn players, as a whole, seem to be a different breed of animal.
The few I've worked never ask what key or what's the cord structure,
they just seem to know what to do. I've seen really good guitar
players do the same thing but its rare. I don't know maybe it a
training thing. Horn players I've come across usually have had more
formal training and a greater overall knowledge of theory.
That bit about wipe out was my poor attempt at sarcasm...I meant that
knowing one piece does not make you proficient on an instrument
regardless how good you can play that piece. A keyboad player once
taught me the opening cords to "The Nutcracker" and I can play it
really well and it sounds really impressive, however, it's the only
thing I can play on a keyboard.
I doing another jam for guitar players on Saturday 6/18 on 30th
street from 12 noon to 6pm in NYC. If you or any cats on this list
are around you're welcome to drop by. Email me a note off list and
I'll give you the details.
Dave "W"
P.S. If you get me drunk, I'll play Johnny B. Goode.
Dave "W"
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Yes, Dave, it is like saying that reed players will only
play "Decan Blues" or "Jazzman" never-the-less, what I said is true.
Guitar players chose Johnny B. Goode over Roll Over Beethoven because
it's about a guitar player. You're right, we don't hear reed players
stuck on Deacon Blues and Jazzman but that's because, in general, the
guitar players in the bands don't know those tunes. The guitar
players know Johnny B. Goode (that Chuck Berry song about a guitar
player). The reed players have no trouble hanging with a I IV V like
Johnny B. Goode so they go with it.
>
> In my experience I have found that reed players are more versed in
all kinds of tunes. Most of the ones who still play by the time
they're my age are doing so because they can hang with any standard.
Many rock guitar players have trouble jamming once you leave the I IV
V pattern.
>
> Now how did you think I was saying that Wipe Out makes the drummer
or Johnny B. Goode makes the guitar player? Of course niether is
true.
>
> -Marty
>
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DP (noetical1) - 09 Jun 2005 11:00:28

T-Bone Walker and Charlie Christian both played soem killer
electric guitar in the 1940s...Lines that sound "Blues
Rock" to my ears...I'm sure good old Chuck Berry copped a
few of their lines...
In a lot of ways, we all owe a great big "thank you" to
good old T-Bone Walker and his killer Texas-style Electric
Guitar...that dude rocked!
-dp
--- Dan Bartley <> wrote:
> It's interesting... electric guitar came about so that
> the player could play single note horn-like lines and be
> heard. Before guitar amplification, it was strictly a
> rhythm instrument...and barely heard at that. For the
> most part it seems to me that it stayed that way (except
> for some blues) until Chuck came along and, in a sense,
> "dumbed down" electric guitar playing with his
> lead/rhythm style. Yet, he invented a style that never
> went away, that almost every modern rock guitarist to
> this day owes something to. Surf guitarists were
> certainly influenced somewhat by Chuck.
> However, because of Chuck's enormous influence on guitar
> playing, rock and roll guitarists in general stopped
> playing horn-like lines and concentrated on the
> blues/pentatonic scales, bending full, not half tones, as
> they went along.
> If a seasoned guitarist who knows his theory sits in on
> jam sometime, he won't have to ask what the key is or
> what the changes are. If a player who has only played
> Keith or Eric or Chuck sits in, chances are he'll want to
> play Johnny B Goode.
> Dan
>
> howlinthurstons <> wrote:
> Dude:
>
> You make some good points. First of all you're right the
> tune
> is "Jazzman" not "Sax man" My bad.
>
> Horn players, as a whole, seem to be a different breed of
> animal.
> The few I've worked never ask what key or what's the cord
> structure,
> they just seem to know what to do. I've seen really good
> guitar
> players do the same thing but its rare. I don't know
> maybe it a
> training thing. Horn players I've come across usually
> have had more
> formal training and a greater overall knowledge of
> theory.
>
> That bit about wipe out was my poor attempt at
> sarcasm...I meant that
> knowing one piece does not make you proficient on an
> instrument
> regardless how good you can play that piece. A keyboad
> player once
> taught me the opening cords to "The Nutcracker" and I can
> play it
> really well and it sounds really impressive, however,
> it's the only
> thing I can play on a keyboard.
>
> I doing another jam for guitar players on Saturday 6/18
> on 30th
> street from 12 noon to 6pm in NYC. If you or any cats on
> this list
> are around you're welcome to drop by. Email me a note
> off list and
> I'll give you the details.
>
> Dave "W"
>
> P.S. If you get me drunk, I'll play Johnny B. Goode.
>
> Dave "W"
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Yes, Dave, it is like saying that reed players will
> only
> play "Decan Blues" or "Jazzman" never-the-less, what I
> said is true.
> Guitar players chose Johnny B. Goode over Roll Over
> Beethoven because
> it's about a guitar player. You're right, we don't hear
> reed players
> stuck on Deacon Blues and Jazzman but that's because, in
> general, the
> guitar players in the bands don't know those tunes. The
> guitar
> players know Johnny B. Goode (that Chuck Berry song about
> a guitar
> player). The reed players have no trouble hanging with a
> I IV V like
> Johnny B. Goode so they go with it.
> >
> > In my experience I have found that reed players are
> more versed in
> all kinds of tunes. Most of the ones who still play by
> the time
> they're my age are doing so because they can hang with
> any standard.
> Many rock guitar players have trouble jamming once you
> leave the I IV
> V pattern.
> >
> > Now how did you think I was saying that Wipe Out makes
> the drummer
> or Johnny B. Goode makes the guitar player? Of course
> niether is
> true.
> >
> > -Marty
> >
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bruce d (wizzbangg2003) - 09 Jun 2005 14:51:43

Story I read in a pretty well-footnoted bio stated that the primary guitar
influence on Chuck Berry, was Muddy Waters.
Bruce D
DP <> wrote:
T-Bone Walker and Charlie Christian both played soem killer
electric guitar in the 1940s...Lines that sound "Blues
Rock" to my ears...I'm sure good old Chuck Berry copped a
few of their lines...
In a lot of ways, we all owe a great big "thank you" to
good old T-Bone Walker and his killer Texas-style Electric
Guitar...that dude rocked!
-dp
--- Dan Bartley <> wrote:
> It's interesting... electric guitar came about so that
> the player could play single note horn-like lines and be
> heard. Before guitar amplification, it was strictly a
> rhythm instrument...and barely heard at that. For the
> most part it seems to me that it stayed that way (except
> for some blues) until Chuck came along and, in a sense,
> "dumbed down" electric guitar playing with his
> lead/rhythm style. Yet, he invented a style that never
> went away, that almost every modern rock guitarist to
> this day owes something to. Surf guitarists were
> certainly influenced somewhat by Chuck.
> However, because of Chuck's enormous influence on guitar
> playing, rock and roll guitarists in general stopped
> playing horn-like lines and concentrated on the
> blues/pentatonic scales, bending full, not half tones, as
> they went along.
> If a seasoned guitarist who knows his theory sits in on
> jam sometime, he won't have to ask what the key is or
> what the changes are. If a player who has only played
> Keith or Eric or Chuck sits in, chances are he'll want to
> play Johnny B Goode.
> Dan
>
> howlinthurstons <> wrote:
> Dude:
>
> You make some good points. First of all you're right the
> tune
> is "Jazzman" not "Sax man" My bad.
>
> Horn players, as a whole, seem to be a different breed of
> animal.
> The few I've worked never ask what key or what's the cord
> structure,
> they just seem to know what to do. I've seen really good
> guitar
> players do the same thing but its rare. I don't know
> maybe it a
> training thing. Horn players I've come across usually
> have had more
> formal training and a greater overall knowledge of
> theory.
>
> That bit about wipe out was my poor attempt at
> sarcasm...I meant that
> knowing one piece does not make you proficient on an
> instrument
> regardless how good you can play that piece. A keyboad
> player once
> taught me the opening cords to "The Nutcracker" and I can
> play it
> really well and it sounds really impressive, however,
> it's the only
> thing I can play on a keyboard.
>
> I doing another jam for guitar players on Saturday 6/18
> on 30th
> street from 12 noon to 6pm in NYC. If you or any cats on
> this list
> are around you're welcome to drop by. Email me a note
> off list and
> I'll give you the details.
>
> Dave "W"
>
> P.S. If you get me drunk, I'll play Johnny B. Goode.
>
> Dave "W"
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Yes, Dave, it is like saying that reed players will
> only
> play "Decan Blues" or "Jazzman" never-the-less, what I
> said is true.
> Guitar players chose Johnny B. Goode over Roll Over
> Beethoven because
> it's about a guitar player. You're right, we don't hear
> reed players
> stuck on Deacon Blues and Jazzman but that's because, in
> general, the
> guitar players in the bands don't know those tunes. The
> guitar
> players know Johnny B. Goode (that Chuck Berry song about
> a guitar
> player). The reed players have no trouble hanging with a
> I IV V like
> Johnny B. Goode so they go with it.
> >
> > In my experience I have found that reed players are
> more versed in
> all kinds of tunes. Most of the ones who still play by
> the time
> they're my age are doing so because they can hang with
> any standard.
> Many rock guitar players have trouble jamming once you
> leave the I IV
> V pattern.
> >
> > Now how did you think I was saying that Wipe Out makes
> the drummer
> or Johnny B. Goode makes the guitar player? Of course
> niether is
> true.
> >
> > -Marty
> >
>
>
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DP (noetical1) - 09 Jun 2005 15:01:56

That makes sense...I was just guessing re: T-Bone because
old T-Bone was pretty well known in the 40s and early
50s...
but, most of those jazz/blues cats were pretty aware of
each other...especially with the segregated-sub-culture of
the day...segregated clubs, radio, record distribution and
cinema were all prevalent...in other words the jazz/blues
community was rather small and self contained at thet time,
I suppose.
-dp
--- bruce d <> wrote:
> Story I read in a pretty well-footnoted bio stated that
> the primary guitar influence on Chuck Berry, was Muddy
> Waters.
>
> Bruce D
>
> DP <> wrote:
> T-Bone Walker and Charlie Christian both played soem
> killer
> electric guitar in the 1940s...Lines that sound "Blues
> Rock" to my ears...I'm sure good old Chuck Berry copped a
> few of their lines...
>
> In a lot of ways, we all owe a great big "thank you" to
> good old T-Bone Walker and his killer Texas-style
> Electric
> Guitar...that dude rocked!
>
> -dp
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Dan Bartley <> wrote:
>
> > It's interesting... electric guitar came about so that
> > the player could play single note horn-like lines and
> be
> > heard. Before guitar amplification, it was strictly a
> > rhythm instrument...and barely heard at that. For the
> > most part it seems to me that it stayed that way
> (except
> > for some blues) until Chuck came along and, in a sense,
> > "dumbed down" electric guitar playing with his
> > lead/rhythm style. Yet, he invented a style that never
> > went away, that almost every modern rock guitarist to
> > this day owes something to. Surf guitarists were
> > certainly influenced somewhat by Chuck.
> > However, because of Chuck's enormous influence on
> guitar
> > playing, rock and roll guitarists in general stopped
> > playing horn-like lines and concentrated on the
> > blues/pentatonic scales, bending full, not half tones,
> as
> > they went along.
> > If a seasoned guitarist who knows his theory sits in on
> > jam sometime, he won't have to ask what the key is or
> > what the changes are. If a player who has only played
> > Keith or Eric or Chuck sits in, chances are he'll want
> to
> > play Johnny B Goode.
> > Dan
> >
> > howlinthurstons <> wrote:
> > Dude:
> >
> > You make some good points. First of all you're right
> the
> > tune
> > is "Jazzman" not "Sax man" My bad.
> >
> > Horn players, as a whole, seem to be a different breed
> of
> > animal.
> > The few I've worked never ask what key or what's the
> cord
> > structure,
> > they just seem to know what to do. I've seen really
> good
> > guitar
> > players do the same thing but its rare. I don't know
> > maybe it a
> > training thing. Horn players I've come across usually
> > have had more
> > formal training and a greater overall knowledge of
> > theory.
> >
> > That bit about wipe out was my poor attempt at
> > sarcasm...I meant that
> > knowing one piece does not make you proficient on an
> > instrument
> > regardless how good you can play that piece. A keyboad
> > player once
> > taught me the opening cords to "The Nutcracker" and I
> can
> > play it
> > really well and it sounds really impressive, however,
> > it's the only
> > thing I can play on a keyboard.
> >
> > I doing another jam for guitar players on Saturday 6/18
> > on 30th
> > street from 12 noon to 6pm in NYC. If you or any cats
> on
> > this list
> > are around you're welcome to drop by. Email me a note
> > off list and
> > I'll give you the details.
> >
> > Dave "W"
> >
> > P.S. If you get me drunk, I'll play Johnny B. Goode.
> >
> > Dave "W"
> >
> > --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Yes, Dave, it is like saying that reed players will
> > only
> > play "Decan Blues" or "Jazzman" never-the-less, what I
> > said is true.
> > Guitar players chose Johnny B. Goode over Roll Over
> > Beethoven because
> > it's about a guitar player. You're right, we don't hear
> > reed players
> > stuck on Deacon Blues and Jazzman but that's because,
> in
> > general, the
> > guitar players in the bands don't know those tunes. The
> > guitar
> > players know Johnny B. Goode (that Chuck Berry song
> about
> > a guitar
> > player). The reed players have no trouble hanging with
> a
> > I IV V like
> > Johnny B. Goode so they go with it.
> > >
> > > In my experience I have found that reed players are
> > more versed in
> > all kinds of tunes. Most of the ones who still play by
> > the time
> > they're my age are doing so because they can hang with
> > any standard.
> > Many rock guitar players have trouble jamming once you
> > leave the I IV
> > V pattern.
> > >
> > > Now how did you think I was saying that Wipe Out
> makes
> > the drummer
> > or Johnny B. Goode makes the guitar player? Of course
> > niether is
> > true.
> > >
> > > -Marty
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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dave esmond (mr_dave_esmond) - 09 Jun 2005 15:31:06

At 01:01 PM 6/9/2005 -0700, DP wrote:
>That makes sense...I was just guessing re: T-Bone because
>old T-Bone was pretty well known in the 40s and early
>50s..
i hear a LOT more t-bone then muddy in chuck's playing.....muddy's pretty
much known for his silde work...
muddy sent chuck to chess.....so maybe that's the "influence"....
but playingwise there's a whole lot of t-bone in chuck's playing....
d
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spskins - 09 Jun 2005 15:41:56

We can't forget the recently passed piano player, Johnnie Johnson,
whose band Chuck joined and soon took over. Chuck himself mentions in
"Hail, Hail, Rock n' Roll' and in other places that he was just
trying to emulate Johnnie's right hand boogie woogie leads on his
guitar and that's how he came up with the signature JBG lick. He also
mentions that he knew every Jimmie Rodgers song as a child and grew up
in the more prosperous Black area of St. Louis known as The Ville,
where he was exposed to more white (hillbilly) music, plus some Latin
American rhythms. There are tons of stories where he plays to all
Black audiences at places like the Apollo and in the South, where he
is booed of the stage for sounding so hillbilly. Muddy was a hero of
his and hooked him up with Chess Records.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> Story I read in a pretty well-footnoted bio stated that the primary
guitar influence on Chuck Berry, was Muddy Waters.
>
> Bruce D
>
> DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> T-Bone Walker and Charlie Christian both played soem killer
> electric guitar in the 1940s...Lines that sound "Blues
> Rock" to my ears...I'm sure good old Chuck Berry copped a
> few of their lines...
>
> In a lot of ways, we all owe a great big "thank you" to
> good old T-Bone Walker and his killer Texas-style Electric
> Guitar...that dude rocked!
>
> -dp
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Dan Bartley <bigtwangguy@y...> wrote:
>
> > It's interesting... electric guitar came about so that
> > the player could play single note horn-like lines and be
> > heard. Before guitar amplification, it was strictly a
> > rhythm instrument...and barely heard at that. For the
> > most part it seems to me that it stayed that way (except
> > for some blues) until Chuck came along and, in a sense,
> > "dumbed down" electric guitar playing with his
> > lead/rhythm style. Yet, he invented a style that never
> > went away, that almost every modern rock guitarist to
> > this day owes something to. Surf guitarists were
> > certainly influenced somewhat by Chuck.
> > However, because of Chuck's enormous influence on guitar
> > playing, rock and roll guitarists in general stopped
> > playing horn-like lines and concentrated on the
> > blues/pentatonic scales, bending full, not half tones, as
> > they went along.
> > If a seasoned guitarist who knows his theory sits in on
> > jam sometime, he won't have to ask what the key is or
> > what the changes are. If a player who has only played
> > Keith or Eric or Chuck sits in, chances are he'll want to
> > play Johnny B Goode.
> > Dan
> >
> > howlinthurstons <howlinthurstons@y...> wrote:
> > Dude:
> >
> > You make some good points. First of all you're right the
> > tune
> > is "Jazzman" not "Sax man" My bad.
> >
> > Horn players, as a whole, seem to be a different breed of
> > animal.
> > The few I've worked never ask what key or what's the cord
> > structure,
> > they just seem to know what to do. I've seen really good
> > guitar
> > players do the same thing but its rare. I don't know
> > maybe it a
> > training thing. Horn players I've come across usually
> > have had more
> > formal training and a greater overall knowledge of
> > theory.
> >
> > That bit about wipe out was my poor attempt at
> > sarcasm...I meant that
> > knowing one piece does not make you proficient on an
> > instrument
> > regardless how good you can play that piece. A keyboad
> > player once
> > taught me the opening cords to "The Nutcracker" and I can
> > play it
> > really well and it sounds really impressive, however,
> > it's the only
> > thing I can play on a keyboard.
> >
> > I doing another jam for guitar players on Saturday 6/18
> > on 30th
> > street from 12 noon to 6pm in NYC. If you or any cats on
> > this list
> > are around you're welcome to drop by. Email me a note
> > off list and
> > I'll give you the details.
> >
> > Dave "W"
> >
> > P.S. If you get me drunk, I'll play Johnny B. Goode.
> >
> > Dave "W"
> >
> > --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Yes, Dave, it is like saying that reed players will
> > only
> > play "Decan Blues" or "Jazzman" never-the-less, what I
> > said is true.
> > Guitar players chose Johnny B. Goode over Roll Over
> > Beethoven because
> > it's about a guitar player. You're right, we don't hear
> > reed players
> > stuck on Deacon Blues and Jazzman but that's because, in
> > general, the
> > guitar players in the bands don't know those tunes. The
> > guitar
> > players know Johnny B. Goode (that Chuck Berry song about
> > a guitar
> > player). The reed players have no trouble hanging with a
> > I IV V like
> > Johnny B. Goode so they go with it.
> > >
> > > In my experience I have found that reed players are
> > more versed in
> > all kinds of tunes. Most of the ones who still play by
> > the time
> > they're my age are doing so because they can hang with
> > any standard.
> > Many rock guitar players have trouble jamming once you
> > leave the I IV
> > V pattern.
> > >
> > > Now how did you think I was saying that Wipe Out makes
> > the drummer
> > or Johnny B. Goode makes the guitar player? Of course
> > niether is
> > true.
> > >
> > > -Marty
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bruce d (wizzbangg2003) - 09 Jun 2005 15:59:50

According to the bio, Chuck spent many months with Muddy, who was truly a mentor
to him in many more ways than forging a connection with Chess. The bio stated
very bluntly that Chuck learned Blues riffs from Muddy, that he later adapted to
fuse into Rock & Roll songs.
Bruce D
dave esmond <> wrote:
At 01:01 PM 6/9/2005 -0700, DP wrote:
>That makes sense...I was just guessing re: T-Bone because
>old T-Bone was pretty well known in the 40s and early
>50s..
i hear a LOT more t-bone then muddy in chuck's playing.....muddy's pretty
much known for his silde work...
muddy sent chuck to chess.....so maybe that's the "influence"....
but playingwise there's a whole lot of t-bone in chuck's playing....
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dave esmond (mr_dave_esmond) - 09 Jun 2005 16:48:52

>The bio stated very bluntly that Chuck learned Blues riffs from Muddy,
>that he later adapted to fuse into Rock & Roll songs.
i'd believe that.....of course my ears still tell me it was t-bone's blues
licks muddy was teaching chuck.....
chuck doesn't play like muddy....he does play like t-bone.....muddy very
well may have taught him t-bone's licks....but chuck's style has very
little in common with muddy's....so while muddy surely was big influence on
chuck as a perfomer/person/musician...it's t-bone who seems to be the
biggest influence on his style, even if that influence came thru muddy.....
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