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I'm having trouble getting the chords right for the song 'The Hearse'
I got the lead down, but I'm also being lazy. After our lively
discussion about 'Pressure' I figure this one would be easy too.
Thanks
Chris
Here's a link...
I'm always curious why list members ask questions of
the list before doing searches - this was the first on
google's list searching "the hearse"+tab
Not a complaint, just wondering why? It seems many
people do this, and it's a long way from the easiest
and fastest path.
Phil
--- Chris <> wrote:
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I'm having trouble getting the chords right for the
song 'The Hearse'
I got the lead down, but I'm also being lazy. After
our lively
discussion about 'Pressure' I figure this one would
be easy too.
Thanks
Chris
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--- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...>
wrote:
> Here's a link...
>
>
>
> I'm always curious why list members ask questions of
> the list before doing searches - this was the first on
> google's list searching "the hearse"+tab
>
> Not a complaint, just wondering why? It seems many
> people do this, and it's a long way from the easiest
> and fastest path.
Well, I can't speak for Chris, but probably because he wanted some
discussion amongst the list members. Tab on the internet is
notoriously inaccurate, and there is always more than one way to
play a song. Hell, that tab has chords in it, but there are a dozen
ways you can finger a chord on the guitar. Just because you find a
tab on the internet doesn't mean it is "the" answer.
Although, interestingly enough, that tab is by Thor Anderson, who
used to be active on this list a long time ago. His band is/was
Monsters from Mars.
BN
I have to second Phil's motion. Most questions are answered very quickly with a
Google search.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Dirt
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] The Astronauts 'The Hearse'
Here's a link...
I'm always curious why list members ask questions of
the list before doing searches - this was the first on
google's list searching "the hearse"+tab
Not a complaint, just wondering why? It seems many
people do this, and it's a long way from the easiest
and fastest path.
Phil
--- Chris <> wrote:
---------------------------------
I'm having trouble getting the chords right for the
song 'The Hearse'
I got the lead down, but I'm also being lazy. After
our lively
discussion about 'Pressure' I figure this one would
be easy too.
Thanks
Chris
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The problem is that this list has no FAQ, and that surfguitar101.com
has no "resources" link to useful tablature collections, theory
references, etc. In that light, it's no wonder people ask questions
here first.
Read the list home description if you have a problem with people
asking questions about tab:
"Discussions involving tablature, bands, releases, gigs, show
announcements, show reviews, and gear talk are especially encouraged."
I, for one, wouldn't mind helping to write an FAQ for this group.
Cowabunga "sorta" has an FAQ, but it was really was only a collection
of biased opinions and little factual, unbiased substance. A good
FAQ would serve this community well; after all, we should all be in
the mode of supporting and promoting this thing called surf that we
hold dear to our hearts.
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
wrote:
> --- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...>
> wrote:
> > Here's a link...
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm always curious why list members ask questions of
> > the list before doing searches - this was the first on
> > google's list searching "the hearse"+tab
> >
> > Not a complaint, just wondering why? It seems many
> > people do this, and it's a long way from the easiest
> > and fastest path.
>
> Well, I can't speak for Chris, but probably because he wanted some
> discussion amongst the list members. Tab on the internet is
> notoriously inaccurate, and there is always more than one way to
> play a song. Hell, that tab has chords in it, but there are a dozen
> ways you can finger a chord on the guitar. Just because you find a
> tab on the internet doesn't mean it is "the" answer.
>
> Although, interestingly enough, that tab is by Thor Anderson, who
> used to be active on this list a long time ago. His band is/was
> Monsters from Mars.
>
> BN
A FAQ is unnecessary when we have the Google search engine. If one wants tab for
Walk Don't Run for example, putting "Walk Don't Run tab" in the Google search
engine will give several sites with that tab. Google is excellent for theory and
other resources as well.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: red_thundr
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Astronauts 'The Hearse'
The problem is that this list has no FAQ, and that surfguitar101.com
has no "resources" link to useful tablature collections, theory
references, etc. In that light, it's no wonder people ask questions
here first.
Read the list home description if you have a problem with people
asking questions about tab:
"Discussions involving tablature, bands, releases, gigs, show
announcements, show reviews, and gear talk are especially encouraged."
I, for one, wouldn't mind helping to write an FAQ for this group.
Cowabunga "sorta" has an FAQ, but it was really was only a collection
of biased opinions and little factual, unbiased substance. A good
FAQ would serve this community well; after all, we should all be in
the mode of supporting and promoting this thing called surf that we
hold dear to our hearts.
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
wrote:
> --- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...>
> wrote:
> > Here's a link...
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm always curious why list members ask questions of
> > the list before doing searches - this was the first on
> > google's list searching "the hearse"+tab
> >
> > Not a complaint, just wondering why? It seems many
> > people do this, and it's a long way from the easiest
> > and fastest path.
>
> Well, I can't speak for Chris, but probably because he wanted some
> discussion amongst the list members. Tab on the internet is
> notoriously inaccurate, and there is always more than one way to
> play a song. Hell, that tab has chords in it, but there are a dozen
> ways you can finger a chord on the guitar. Just because you find a
> tab on the internet doesn't mean it is "the" answer.
>
> Although, interestingly enough, that tab is by Thor Anderson, who
> used to be active on this list a long time ago. His band is/was
> Monsters from Mars.
>
> BN
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My observation may have been about one strain of
inquiry, but I can't count the number of times over
the last decade on such lists that I've seen "where do
I get..." posts that are resolved in 2 minutes on
Amazon.
It's an observation of human behavior. This example
just happened to remind me of my daughter sitting on
the couch asking how to spell one word or another as
she sat next to the dictionary. My response was always
look it up. She seldom did. It became a contest and
she would accept the spelling error on her assignment
before giving in to learning how to take care of
herself. It's also easier to let others do the work
than to do it yourself, to get answers to questions
instead of learn. I did it when I was 15 - I'm sure we
all did to some degree.
I was sort of asking the bigger question of the list,
but the string has provided some interesting
responses.
As to errors on tab, part of any learning or hunting
is sorting through the available material for the
"real" facts.
Another sidebar to this thread worth some discussion
perhaps is sparked by not hearing correctly or
understanding the source.
I've seen lots of musicians mis-learn and then pass on
their errors to others who treat them as the expert,
when in fact they were just guessing. Too often, these
kinds of errors show up on cover recordings with wrong
chords and wrong melody lines and wrong keys. Not
creative interpretation, just wrong. "Pipeline" is
screwed up fairly often.
Not understanding how it was originally played also
adds to the mix. Did the guitarist tune down (Randy
Holden) making it seem that "Everybody up" must be
between E and F, and sounding wrong in both. Was the
record mastered sped up for excitement (more common
than you might think - "Five Live Yardbirds for
instance).
Musicians in bands did not use/have tuning pedals -
they relied on their ears and tuned to each other.
Here you are all tuned up to an actual standard and
you're having trouble figuring chords and notes that
were played in a different tuning state.
Just more fodder.
Phil
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
---------------------------------
A FAQ is unnecessary when we have the Google search
engine. If one wants tab for Walk Don't Run for
example, putting "Walk Don't Run tab" in the Google
search engine will give several sites with that tab.
Google is excellent for theory and other resources as
well.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: red_thundr
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Astronauts 'The
Hearse'
The problem is that this list has no FAQ, and that
surfguitar101.com
has no "resources" link to useful tablature
collections, theory
references, etc. In that light, it's no wonder
people ask questions
here first.
Read the list home description if you have a problem
with people
asking questions about tab:
"Discussions involving tablature, bands, releases,
gigs, show
announcements, show reviews, and gear talk are
especially encouraged."
I, for one, wouldn't mind helping to write an FAQ
for this group.
Cowabunga "sorta" has an FAQ, but it was really was
only a collection
of biased opinions and little factual, unbiased
substance. A good
FAQ would serve this community well; after all, we
should all be in
the mode of supporting and promoting this thing
called surf that we
hold dear to our hearts.
--- In , "Brian Neal"
<bgneal@g...>
wrote:
> --- In , Phil Dirt
<phildirt@r...>
> wrote:
> > Here's a link...
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm always curious why list members ask
questions of
> > the list before doing searches - this was the
first on
> > google's list searching "the hearse"+tab
> >
> > Not a complaint, just wondering why? It seems
many
> > people do this, and it's a long way from the
easiest
> > and fastest path.
>
> Well, I can't speak for Chris, but probably
because he wanted some
> discussion amongst the list members. Tab on the
internet is
> notoriously inaccurate, and there is always more
than one way to
> play a song. Hell, that tab has chords in it, but
there are a dozen
> ways you can finger a chord on the guitar. Just
because you find a
> tab on the internet doesn't mean it is "the"
answer.
>
> Although, interestingly enough, that tab is by
Thor Anderson, who
> used to be active on this list a long time ago.
His band is/was
> Monsters from Mars.
>
> BN
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Hey Phil,
I'm glad to hear that you tell your kids to "look it up". That was a very
familiar response from my folks for which I am very grateful. It put me in
ownership of my learning.
Musicians of the first wave did have a helpful device to aid in tuning, the
tuning fork, but your main point of using the ear is still required. We're in
this "there must be an easier way" age and the temptation to ignore the ear and
rely strictly on tuning pedals and tabs is too strong. And for those who do
attempt the learning by ear, there's a troubling temptation to quit if they
don't get it right away. You talked about playing things wrong but I want to
mention that playing things wrong, making mistakes, is an important part of
learning. I have trouble thinking of a tune that I didn't play wrong for a
while. I would revisit the tune later and my mistakes would be obvious, even if
the time passed was just overnight. Maybe folks need to hear that the ear is
trained through mistakes.
-Marty
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-------------------------
...Musicians in bands did not use/have tuning pedals -
they relied on their ears and tuned to each other.
Here you are all tuned up to an actual standard and
you're having trouble figuring chords and notes that
were played in a different tuning state.
Just more fodder.
Phil
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
---------------------------------
A FAQ is unnecessary when we have the Google search
engine. If one wants tab for Walk Don't Run for
example, putting "Walk Don't Run tab" in the Google
search engine will give several sites with that tab.
Google is excellent for theory and other resources as
well.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: red_thundr
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Astronauts 'The
Hearse'
The problem is that this list has no FAQ, and that
surfguitar101.com
has no "resources" link to useful tablature
collections, theory
references, etc. In that light, it's no wonder
people ask questions
here first.
Read the list home description if you have a problem
with people
asking questions about tab:
"Discussions involving tablature, bands, releases,
gigs, show
announcements, show reviews, and gear talk are
especially encouraged."
I, for one, wouldn't mind helping to write an FAQ
for this group.
Cowabunga "sorta" has an FAQ, but it was really was
only a collection
of biased opinions and little factual, unbiased
substance. A good
FAQ would serve this community well; after all, we
should all be in
the mode of supporting and promoting this thing
called surf that we
hold dear to our hearts.
--- In , "Brian Neal"
<bgneal@g...>
wrote:
> --- In , Phil Dirt
<phildirt@r...>
> wrote:
> > Here's a link...
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm always curious why list members ask
questions of
> > the list before doing searches - this was the
first on
> > google's list searching "the hearse"+tab
> >
> > Not a complaint, just wondering why? It seems
many
> > people do this, and it's a long way from the
easiest
> > and fastest path.
>
> Well, I can't speak for Chris, but probably
because he wanted some
> discussion amongst the list members. Tab on the
internet is
> notoriously inaccurate, and there is always more
than one way to
> play a song. Hell, that tab has chords in it, but
there are a dozen
> ways you can finger a chord on the guitar. Just
because you find a
> tab on the internet doesn't mean it is "the"
answer.
>
> Although, interestingly enough, that tab is by
Thor Anderson, who
> used to be active on this list a long time ago.
His band is/was
> Monsters from Mars.
>
> BN
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You CAN speak for me BN! I wasn't asking for some lame ass tab,
but a discussion of the song. I remember the tab for the mosters
from mars site, and it is wrong, as I recall.
I learned a lot from the 'pressure' discussion, and was hoping to
learn something else if there was a different song discussed.
I'm not some novice guitar player with no skills - I don't like
tab, but I'm not above asking for help either. questions like what
is the chord progression, and why is it the way it is, are all more
important than D E F G - Heck, I can figure that out just by
hacking away at it.
Chris
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
wrote:
> --- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...>
> wrote:
> > Here's a link...
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm always curious why list members ask questions of
> > the list before doing searches - this was the first on
> > google's list searching "the hearse"+tab
> >
> > Not a complaint, just wondering why? It seems many
> > people do this, and it's a long way from the easiest
> > and fastest path.
>
> Well, I can't speak for Chris, but probably because he wanted some
> discussion amongst the list members. Tab on the internet is
> notoriously inaccurate, and there is always more than one way to
> play a song. Hell, that tab has chords in it, but there are a
dozen
> ways you can finger a chord on the guitar. Just because you find a
> tab on the internet doesn't mean it is "the" answer.
>
> Although, interestingly enough, that tab is by Thor Anderson, who
> used to be active on this list a long time ago. His band is/was
> Monsters from Mars.
>
> BN
Methinks The Hearse is fairly tough song to pull off correctly. Being a
drummer I have no idea about chords, etc., so I don't know how to play it on
guitar, but just about anyone can tell if something sounds "off." Also,
that song, like every other Astronauts instro, really needs a minimum of 4
instruments (preferably 5) to be done successfully. Like Hawaii 5-0, its a
real easy song to butcher unless you're Slacktone, or have enough
instrumentation in the band. Unlike Hawaii 5-0, it certainly won't be a
crowd pleaser unless its totally nailed like the versions by The Fathoms,
Impala & Untamed Youth.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Dirt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: The Astronauts 'The Hearse'
> My observation may have been about one strain of
> inquiry, but I can't count the number of times over
> the last decade on such lists that I've seen "where do
> I get..." posts that are resolved in 2 minutes on
> Amazon.
>
> It's an observation of human behavior. This example
> just happened to remind me of my daughter sitting on
> the couch asking how to spell one word or another as
> she sat next to the dictionary. My response was always
> look it up. She seldom did. It became a contest and
> she would accept the spelling error on her assignment
> before giving in to learning how to take care of
> herself. It's also easier to let others do the work
> than to do it yourself, to get answers to questions
> instead of learn. I did it when I was 15 - I'm sure we
> all did to some degree.
>
> I was sort of asking the bigger question of the list,
> but the string has provided some interesting
> responses.
>
> As to errors on tab, part of any learning or hunting
> is sorting through the available material for the
> "real" facts.
>
> Another sidebar to this thread worth some discussion
> perhaps is sparked by not hearing correctly or
> understanding the source.
>
> I've seen lots of musicians mis-learn and then pass on
> their errors to others who treat them as the expert,
> when in fact they were just guessing. Too often, these
> kinds of errors show up on cover recordings with wrong
> chords and wrong melody lines and wrong keys. Not
> creative interpretation, just wrong. "Pipeline" is
> screwed up fairly often.
>
> Not understanding how it was originally played also
> adds to the mix. Did the guitarist tune down (Randy
> Holden) making it seem that "Everybody up" must be
> between E and F, and sounding wrong in both. Was the
> record mastered sped up for excitement (more common
> than you might think - "Five Live Yardbirds for
> instance).
>
> Musicians in bands did not use/have tuning pedals -
> they relied on their ears and tuned to each other.
> Here you are all tuned up to an actual standard and
> you're having trouble figuring chords and notes that
> were played in a different tuning state.
>
> Just more fodder.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
--- In , "red_thundr" <red_thundr@y...>
wrote:
> The problem is that this list has no FAQ, and that
surfguitar101.com
> has no "resources" link to useful tablature collections, theory
> references, etc. In that light, it's no wonder people ask
questions
> here first.
Asking about how to play The Hearse is hardly a FAQ.
While I do agree with you that the pickings are slim, the
surfguitar101.com web site has a link to Thor's tabs, with a few other
things. There is also a Links section on the Yahoo site, and you and
everyone else are free to add links. Just don't add links to your
online gambling sites or favorite porn sites. ;-)
>
> Read the list home description if you have a problem with people
> asking questions about tab:
> "Discussions involving tablature, bands, releases, gigs, show
> announcements, show reviews, and gear talk are especially
encouraged."
Exactly. Thank you. The query that Chris made is perfectly legit here,
and I welcome more stuff like this. I for one enjoyed the Pressure
discussion (even if it got a little hostile at times) and wouldn't
mind discussing the workings of The Hearse (in a civil manner). I
totally agree with TFJ, it's a deceptively simple song that takes some
skill to pull off like the Astronauts. I noticed the same thing about
Satan's Pilgrim's Vampiro and their cover of Morpheous. Simple, simple
songs, but they just don't sound right when I do them! :)
>
> I, for one, wouldn't mind helping to write an FAQ for this group.
>
This whole "SurfGuitar101 FAQ" thing has come up several times in the
past. The Yahoo site has a never used Database feature, and one can
set up a FAQ that list members can contribute too (in theory, no one
has tried it). However, to be honest, I just don't have the time or
inclination to write a FAQ for this list. Let's face it, the *true*
FAQ's that appear on this list are "what strings should I use?", and
"what's a good reverb pedal?". Having a 2 or 5 item FAQ just doesn't
seem worth it.
> Cowabunga "sorta" has an FAQ, but it was really was only a
collection
> of biased opinions and little factual, unbiased substance.
Well again, just to be clear, you were talking about the Cowabunga
Gear FAQ, which is just a collection of random postings from the good
old days of Cowabunga. The real Cowabunga FAQ that Ferenc mentioned is
very good IMHO (tip of the hat to Moon Dawg). Not that there is
anything wrong with the gear FAQ, I very much enjoyed reading that 5
or 6 years ago.
> A good
> FAQ would serve this community well; after all, we should all be in
> the mode of supporting and promoting this thing called surf that we
> hold dear to our hearts.
I agree in theory, but in reality, we really only have about 5 FAQ's
on this list. Writing anything more than that would really just be a
surf guitar primer, and would really just be, in your words, "a
collection of biased opinions and little factual, unbiased substance"
(IMHO of course).
However, if you guys want to give it a try feel free, but unless
someone does it in true Wikipedia style, it's going to degrade into a
series of petty flame wars IMHO. I dunno, maybe I am jaded by now, but
it's surf guitar! Originated by teenagers in the 60's. Grab a clean
amp, single coil guitar with whammy, add reverb, add youthful abandon
and experimentation, and go. There. There is the answers to your FAQ.
:)
BN
I've heard of this google thing< what is it and how does it work???
Just kidding of course, but I have never used it.
I'm just happy when I can turn on the computer, check my e-mail and
sign into the yahoo groups.
I would assume some people aren't very computer literate like me,
and that's why I ask.
Hell I just figured out how to make it reprint and say who the
original e-mail was from when replying to personal e-mails.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
I'm used to coconut shells and wire strung between them.
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I have to second Phil's motion. Most questions are answered very
quickly with a Google search.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Dirt
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] The Astronauts 'The Hearse'
>
>
> Here's a link...
>
>
>
> I'm always curious why list members ask questions of
> the list before doing searches - this was the first on
> google's list searching "the hearse"+tab
>
> Not a complaint, just wondering why? It seems many
> people do this, and it's a long way from the easiest
> and fastest path.
>
> Phil
>
> --- Chris <chris@b...> wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'm having trouble getting the chords right for the
> song 'The Hearse'
> I got the lead down, but I'm also being lazy. After
> our lively
> discussion about 'Pressure' I figure this one would
> be easy too.
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
>
>
>
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--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
I dunno, maybe I am jaded by now, but
> it's surf guitar! Originated by teenagers in the 60's. Grab a clean
> amp, single coil guitar with whammy, add reverb, add youthful abandon
> and experimentation, and go. There. There is the answers to your FAQ.
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> BN
man, that reads like poetry!
