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I own two CIJ Jags. The first one is one of the $500 Musician Friends
2003 Q series ones. I don't think the frets are sharp at all. Same as
on my Gretsch. I will be selling that Jag because I don't need two CIJ
Jags, and I spent money I don't have. The new one I bought is also a Q
series Jag and it is much better. It has a bound neck(along with
matching headstock and block inlays) and it feels really nice. The
neck is a little thicker it feels like and the edge where the curve of
the neck meets the fretboard is quite sharp and feels great. Not sharp
in the it is going to cut me sense. The bodies are the same on both
guitars. It came with a different trem arm. The trem unit on the
second Jag doesn't bottom out and I have the bar really high. My first
jag bottomed out with the same strings. The second guitar came with a
mint green guard which is hideous with white pickup covers. I put my
AV pickups from the first jag into them. I'll post some pictures after
my gig today. I bought the new Jag for $650. I was going to sell that
one on ebay but I am keeping it since it plays better.
Not to put down what Bill said, since he may be right, but I hear a
lot of people prefer the Japanese trem units. I haven't tried the AV
Jag or Jazzmaster so I cannot comment on this.
I have no doubt that the AV guitars are better. I also think they are
a better value, on ebay. Bill got his for $825ish and I saw a MIJ go
for $850 because it had a matching headstock. I have played both MIJ
and the CIJ(atleast the more recent ones with Alder bodies) and I must
say the CIJ are much better. The metal feels nicer and the guitars
fell heavier and more solid.
Feel free to send me an AV to compare these guitars.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> My early Fender guitars included a '58 Duo Sonic with maple
fingerboard, a '66 Mustang, and a '64 "L" Jazzmaster.
>
> None of these had smooth-edged frets - Fender just didn't make 'em
that way back then. The Duo and Mustang were light-years better than
the Sears-Teisco electric I started with, but they both suffered from
weak pickups, and the Mustang was impossible to keep in tune.
>
> The Jazzmaster, I owned and played for 14 years. I remember
snagging the sleeve of my sweater on the edge of one of the frets more
than once. The bridge was forever rattling and buzzing, until I
squeezed a drop of Elmers down each of the saddle-height screw holes.
The pickups were great, the string action excellent, and the sound of
the guitar just perfect for playing along with all my old Ventures
records.
>
> The strings were always popping out of the saddle grooves,
especially when stretching them, and sometimes when playing
aggressively - Too bad Buzz-Stops weren't around 30-odd years ago! I
sold the Jazzmaster on consignment at Norman's Rare Guitars in the mid
80's to raise the money for a new Strat Standard.
>
> Do I miss that old "L" series? Only for sentimental reasons. My
'96 Fender-Japan Jazzmaster Ventures Model (with a Buzz-Stop) plays
and sounds better, and stays in tune every bit as well. Fender Japan
made this series out of light swamp ash, and used Seymour Duncan
Vintage Jazzmaster R/I pickups, and US hardware.
>
> My 2001 Solid-Alder Squier Jagmaster with Seymour Duncan Vintage
Jazzmaster R/I pickups, a '57 Fender Strat R/I pickup in the middle,
Sperzel locking tuners, a Fender LSR Roller Nut, and Fender American
Deluxe Series Strat Trem bridge is the guitar I used exclusively for
recording both Longboard Ranch CD's, and compares very well against
ANY Jazzmaster I've ever played.
>
> I just got a phone call this morning from Robert Silverstein at
20th Century Guitar Magazine, who's just completed reviews of both
CD's. He kept going into raptures about the killer West-Coast vintage
surf sound that he heard on our CD's, as did Phil Dirt in his reviews,
and as most of the emails we've received from purchasers of the CD's
have attested. I am extremely doubtful that the results, or these
peoples' reactions would have been one iota more positive had I been
playing the AV Jazzmaster, or for that matter, one of the $4000+
Custom-Shop Jazzmasters.
>
> I've been playing long enough, enough different guitars, and played
seriously at the semi-pro and full-pro level, to know what works and
what doesn't work for me.
>
> You are more than welcome to have and express your opinions. My
opinion, (based on having done it), is that in less than one hour, I
can rewire the Seymour pups onto a Japan J/M, and install the
Buzz-Stop, dropping a Mustang bridge into the post-holes takes 2
seconds, and when you can buy a pristine 2003 Alder body Jap J/M for
$350 - $500, add $175-ish for those upgrades, and get the blonde or
brown Tolex G&G case for $129.00, you now have spent $650 - $800, and
at this point, your comment is that the fret edges are smoother on the
AV.
>
> I have no doubt that you're 100% correct on this, but, the fret
edges on the Japan J/M's have never been enough of an issue to me, to
merit spending another $350 to $600 for an AV. A good guitar tech can
smooth those edges for about $60 - $100 if they're bothering you that
much. And you'll still have saved $290 - $500 toward future
re-tubings for your amp and Reverb unit!
>
> Ben Franklin once said, "A penny saved is a penny earned." One of
the earlier postings alleged that I must not value my time to be
willing to do these mods and upgrades, just to save a few hundred
dollars. Au contraire mes amis! To spend one hour max and avoid
spending $290 to $500 is significant, at least to me! Maybe some of
you out there have money to burn; $290 per hour is more than most
lawyers bill for their time. Hello!!
>
> Bruce D
>
>
> supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> Do you care to elaborate? I'd love to hear YOUR take on this.
>
> Bill
>
> > Not at all shitty, just typical for the era
> >
> > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:Sounds like you may
> have just had a shitty L series Jazzmaster.
> >
> >
> > > Funny, the more you go into detail, the more your CIJ Jazzmaster
> is
> > bringing back vivid memories of my old "L" series J/M!
> >
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I own a MIJ jazzmaster, and I really like it, however, I am pretty
sure that the AV's are of better quality. I also own an AV '57 strat,
which I got for $400 on ebay, and there is a qualtity difference
between my japanese and the american guitars. I know that there could
be a difference because I am comparing a strat to a jazzmaster, but
there are general things that you can tell between the two. The strat
has a better neck and finish, and better pu's than the japanese ones,
and it just feels like a better constucted guitar.
I don't think that there is really a diference between CIJ and MIJ
because of the name. Sure fender japan uses better wood now, but that
is something that would have been done if was still MIJ. saying
crafted is a marketing scheme because it sounds like it is of higher
quality than made and people believe it.
--- In , "Jacob Dobner"
<jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> I own two CIJ Jags. The first one is one of the $500 Musician Friends
> 2003 Q series ones. I don't think the frets are sharp at all. Same as
> on my Gretsch. I will be selling that Jag because I don't need two CIJ
> Jags, and I spent money I don't have. The new one I bought is also a Q
> series Jag and it is much better. It has a bound neck(along with
> matching headstock and block inlays) and it feels really nice. The
> neck is a little thicker it feels like and the edge where the curve of
> the neck meets the fretboard is quite sharp and feels great. Not sharp
> in the it is going to cut me sense. The bodies are the same on both
> guitars. It came with a different trem arm. The trem unit on the
> second Jag doesn't bottom out and I have the bar really high. My first
> jag bottomed out with the same strings. The second guitar came with a
> mint green guard which is hideous with white pickup covers. I put my
> AV pickups from the first jag into them. I'll post some pictures after
> my gig today. I bought the new Jag for $650. I was going to sell that
> one on ebay but I am keeping it since it plays better.
>
> Not to put down what Bill said, since he may be right, but I hear a
> lot of people prefer the Japanese trem units. I haven't tried the AV
> Jag or Jazzmaster so I cannot comment on this.
>
> I have no doubt that the AV guitars are better. I also think they are
> a better value, on ebay. Bill got his for $825ish and I saw a MIJ go
> for $850 because it had a matching headstock. I have played both MIJ
> and the CIJ(atleast the more recent ones with Alder bodies) and I must
> say the CIJ are much better. The metal feels nicer and the guitars
> fell heavier and more solid.
>
> Feel free to send me an AV to compare these guitars.
>
> --- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...>
wrote:
> > My early Fender guitars included a '58 Duo Sonic with maple
> fingerboard, a '66 Mustang, and a '64 "L" Jazzmaster.
> >
> > None of these had smooth-edged frets - Fender just didn't make 'em
> that way back then. The Duo and Mustang were light-years better than
> the Sears-Teisco electric I started with, but they both suffered from
> weak pickups, and the Mustang was impossible to keep in tune.
> >
> > The Jazzmaster, I owned and played for 14 years. I remember
> snagging the sleeve of my sweater on the edge of one of the frets more
> than once. The bridge was forever rattling and buzzing, until I
> squeezed a drop of Elmers down each of the saddle-height screw holes.
> The pickups were great, the string action excellent, and the sound of
> the guitar just perfect for playing along with all my old Ventures
> records.
> >
> > The strings were always popping out of the saddle grooves,
> especially when stretching them, and sometimes when playing
> aggressively - Too bad Buzz-Stops weren't around 30-odd years ago! I
> sold the Jazzmaster on consignment at Norman's Rare Guitars in the mid
> 80's to raise the money for a new Strat Standard.
> >
> > Do I miss that old "L" series? Only for sentimental reasons. My
> '96 Fender-Japan Jazzmaster Ventures Model (with a Buzz-Stop) plays
> and sounds better, and stays in tune every bit as well. Fender Japan
> made this series out of light swamp ash, and used Seymour Duncan
> Vintage Jazzmaster R/I pickups, and US hardware.
> >
> > My 2001 Solid-Alder Squier Jagmaster with Seymour Duncan Vintage
> Jazzmaster R/I pickups, a '57 Fender Strat R/I pickup in the middle,
> Sperzel locking tuners, a Fender LSR Roller Nut, and Fender American
> Deluxe Series Strat Trem bridge is the guitar I used exclusively for
> recording both Longboard Ranch CD's, and compares very well against
> ANY Jazzmaster I've ever played.
> >
> > I just got a phone call this morning from Robert Silverstein at
> 20th Century Guitar Magazine, who's just completed reviews of both
> CD's. He kept going into raptures about the killer West-Coast vintage
> surf sound that he heard on our CD's, as did Phil Dirt in his reviews,
> and as most of the emails we've received from purchasers of the CD's
> have attested. I am extremely doubtful that the results, or these
> peoples' reactions would have been one iota more positive had I been
> playing the AV Jazzmaster, or for that matter, one of the $4000+
> Custom-Shop Jazzmasters.
> >
> > I've been playing long enough, enough different guitars, and played
> seriously at the semi-pro and full-pro level, to know what works and
> what doesn't work for me.
> >
> > You are more than welcome to have and express your opinions. My
> opinion, (based on having done it), is that in less than one hour, I
> can rewire the Seymour pups onto a Japan J/M, and install the
> Buzz-Stop, dropping a Mustang bridge into the post-holes takes 2
> seconds, and when you can buy a pristine 2003 Alder body Jap J/M for
> $350 - $500, add $175-ish for those upgrades, and get the blonde or
> brown Tolex G&G case for $129.00, you now have spent $650 - $800, and
> at this point, your comment is that the fret edges are smoother on the
> AV.
> >
> > I have no doubt that you're 100% correct on this, but, the fret
> edges on the Japan J/M's have never been enough of an issue to me, to
> merit spending another $350 to $600 for an AV. A good guitar tech can
> smooth those edges for about $60 - $100 if they're bothering you that
> much. And you'll still have saved $290 - $500 toward future
> re-tubings for your amp and Reverb unit!
> >
> > Ben Franklin once said, "A penny saved is a penny earned." One of
> the earlier postings alleged that I must not value my time to be
> willing to do these mods and upgrades, just to save a few hundred
> dollars. Au contraire mes amis! To spend one hour max and avoid
> spending $290 to $500 is significant, at least to me! Maybe some of
> you out there have money to burn; $290 per hour is more than most
> lawyers bill for their time. Hello!!
> >
> > Bruce D
> >
> >
> > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> > Do you care to elaborate? I'd love to hear YOUR take on this.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > > Not at all shitty, just typical for the era
> > >
> > > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:Sounds like you may
> > have just had a shitty L series Jazzmaster.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Funny, the more you go into detail, the more your CIJ Jazzmaster
> > is
> > > bringing back vivid memories of my old "L" series J/M!
> > >
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There is a difference between CIJ and MIJ.
--- In , "Eric" <cirecc@y...> wrote:
> I own a MIJ jazzmaster, and I really like it, however, I am pretty
> sure that the AV's are of better quality. I also own an AV '57 strat,
> which I got for $400 on ebay, and there is a qualtity difference
> between my japanese and the american guitars. I know that there could
> be a difference because I am comparing a strat to a jazzmaster, but
> there are general things that you can tell between the two. The strat
> has a better neck and finish, and better pu's than the japanese ones,
> and it just feels like a better constucted guitar.
>
> I don't think that there is really a diference between CIJ and MIJ
> because of the name. Sure fender japan uses better wood now, but that
> is something that would have been done if was still MIJ. saying
> crafted is a marketing scheme because it sounds like it is of higher
> quality than made and people believe it.
> --- In , "Jacob Dobner"
> <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > I own two CIJ Jags. The first one is one of the $500 Musician Friends
> > 2003 Q series ones. I don't think the frets are sharp at all. Same as
> > on my Gretsch. I will be selling that Jag because I don't need two CIJ
> > Jags, and I spent money I don't have. The new one I bought is also a Q
> > series Jag and it is much better. It has a bound neck(along with
> > matching headstock and block inlays) and it feels really nice. The
> > neck is a little thicker it feels like and the edge where the curve of
> > the neck meets the fretboard is quite sharp and feels great. Not sharp
> > in the it is going to cut me sense. The bodies are the same on both
> > guitars. It came with a different trem arm. The trem unit on the
> > second Jag doesn't bottom out and I have the bar really high. My first
> > jag bottomed out with the same strings. The second guitar came with a
> > mint green guard which is hideous with white pickup covers. I put my
> > AV pickups from the first jag into them. I'll post some pictures after
> > my gig today. I bought the new Jag for $650. I was going to sell that
> > one on ebay but I am keeping it since it plays better.
> >
> > Not to put down what Bill said, since he may be right, but I hear a
> > lot of people prefer the Japanese trem units. I haven't tried the AV
> > Jag or Jazzmaster so I cannot comment on this.
> >
> > I have no doubt that the AV guitars are better. I also think they are
> > a better value, on ebay. Bill got his for $825ish and I saw a MIJ go
> > for $850 because it had a matching headstock. I have played both MIJ
> > and the CIJ(atleast the more recent ones with Alder bodies) and I must
> > say the CIJ are much better. The metal feels nicer and the guitars
> > fell heavier and more solid.
> >
> > Feel free to send me an AV to compare these guitars.
> >
> > --- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...>
> wrote:
> > > My early Fender guitars included a '58 Duo Sonic with maple
> > fingerboard, a '66 Mustang, and a '64 "L" Jazzmaster.
> > >
> > > None of these had smooth-edged frets - Fender just didn't make 'em
> > that way back then. The Duo and Mustang were light-years better than
> > the Sears-Teisco electric I started with, but they both suffered from
> > weak pickups, and the Mustang was impossible to keep in tune.
> > >
> > > The Jazzmaster, I owned and played for 14 years. I remember
> > snagging the sleeve of my sweater on the edge of one of the frets more
> > than once. The bridge was forever rattling and buzzing, until I
> > squeezed a drop of Elmers down each of the saddle-height screw holes.
> > The pickups were great, the string action excellent, and the sound of
> > the guitar just perfect for playing along with all my old Ventures
> > records.
> > >
> > > The strings were always popping out of the saddle grooves,
> > especially when stretching them, and sometimes when playing
> > aggressively - Too bad Buzz-Stops weren't around 30-odd years ago! I
> > sold the Jazzmaster on consignment at Norman's Rare Guitars in the mid
> > 80's to raise the money for a new Strat Standard.
> > >
> > > Do I miss that old "L" series? Only for sentimental reasons. My
> > '96 Fender-Japan Jazzmaster Ventures Model (with a Buzz-Stop) plays
> > and sounds better, and stays in tune every bit as well. Fender Japan
> > made this series out of light swamp ash, and used Seymour Duncan
> > Vintage Jazzmaster R/I pickups, and US hardware.
> > >
> > > My 2001 Solid-Alder Squier Jagmaster with Seymour Duncan Vintage
> > Jazzmaster R/I pickups, a '57 Fender Strat R/I pickup in the middle,
> > Sperzel locking tuners, a Fender LSR Roller Nut, and Fender American
> > Deluxe Series Strat Trem bridge is the guitar I used exclusively for
> > recording both Longboard Ranch CD's, and compares very well against
> > ANY Jazzmaster I've ever played.
> > >
> > > I just got a phone call this morning from Robert Silverstein at
> > 20th Century Guitar Magazine, who's just completed reviews of both
> > CD's. He kept going into raptures about the killer West-Coast vintage
> > surf sound that he heard on our CD's, as did Phil Dirt in his reviews,
> > and as most of the emails we've received from purchasers of the CD's
> > have attested. I am extremely doubtful that the results, or these
> > peoples' reactions would have been one iota more positive had I been
> > playing the AV Jazzmaster, or for that matter, one of the $4000+
> > Custom-Shop Jazzmasters.
> > >
> > > I've been playing long enough, enough different guitars, and played
> > seriously at the semi-pro and full-pro level, to know what works and
> > what doesn't work for me.
> > >
> > > You are more than welcome to have and express your opinions. My
> > opinion, (based on having done it), is that in less than one hour, I
> > can rewire the Seymour pups onto a Japan J/M, and install the
> > Buzz-Stop, dropping a Mustang bridge into the post-holes takes 2
> > seconds, and when you can buy a pristine 2003 Alder body Jap J/M for
> > $350 - $500, add $175-ish for those upgrades, and get the blonde or
> > brown Tolex G&G case for $129.00, you now have spent $650 - $800, and
> > at this point, your comment is that the fret edges are smoother on the
> > AV.
> > >
> > > I have no doubt that you're 100% correct on this, but, the fret
> > edges on the Japan J/M's have never been enough of an issue to me, to
> > merit spending another $350 to $600 for an AV. A good guitar tech can
> > smooth those edges for about $60 - $100 if they're bothering you that
> > much. And you'll still have saved $290 - $500 toward future
> > re-tubings for your amp and Reverb unit!
> > >
> > > Ben Franklin once said, "A penny saved is a penny earned." One of
> > the earlier postings alleged that I must not value my time to be
> > willing to do these mods and upgrades, just to save a few hundred
> > dollars. Au contraire mes amis! To spend one hour max and avoid
> > spending $290 to $500 is significant, at least to me! Maybe some of
> > you out there have money to burn; $290 per hour is more than most
> > lawyers bill for their time. Hello!!
> > >
> > > Bruce D
> > >
> > >
> > > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> > > Do you care to elaborate? I'd love to hear YOUR take on this.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > > Not at all shitty, just typical for the era
> > > >
> > > > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:Sounds like you
may
> > > have just had a shitty L series Jazzmaster.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Funny, the more you go into detail, the more your CIJ
Jazzmaster
> > > is
> > > > bringing back vivid memories of my old "L" series J/M!
> > > >
> > > >
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No fair making a statement without backing it up. What is the difference between
CIJ and MIJ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Dobner
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New US Jazzmasters
There is a difference between CIJ and MIJ.
--- In , "Eric" <cirecc@y...> wrote:
>
...I don't think that there is really a diference between CIJ and MIJ
> because of the name. Sure fender japan uses better wood now, but that
> is something that would have been done if was still MIJ. saying
> crafted is a marketing scheme because it sounds like it is of higher
> quality than made and people believe it.
> --- In , "Jacob Dobner"
> <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > I own two CIJ Jags. The first one is one of the $500 Musician Friends
> > 2003 Q series ones. I don't think the frets are sharp at all. Same as
> > on my Gretsch. I will be selling that Jag because I don't need two CIJ
> > Jags, and I spent money I don't have. The new one I bought is also a Q
> > series Jag and it is much better. It has a bound neck(along with
> > matching headstock and block inlays) and it feels really nice. The
> > neck is a little thicker it feels like and the edge where the curve of
> > the neck meets the fretboard is quite sharp and feels great. Not sharp
> > in the it is going to cut me sense. The bodies are the same on both
> > guitars. It came with a different trem arm. The trem unit on the
> > second Jag doesn't bottom out and I have the bar really high. My first
> > jag bottomed out with the same strings. The second guitar came with a
> > mint green guard which is hideous with white pickup covers. I put my
> > AV pickups from the first jag into them. I'll post some pictures after
> > my gig today. I bought the new Jag for $650. I was going to sell that
> > one on ebay but I am keeping it since it plays better.
> >
> > Not to put down what Bill said, since he may be right, but I hear a
> > lot of people prefer the Japanese trem units. I haven't tried the AV
> > Jag or Jazzmaster so I cannot comment on this.
> >
> > I have no doubt that the AV guitars are better. I also think they are
> > a better value, on ebay. Bill got his for $825ish and I saw a MIJ go
> > for $850 because it had a matching headstock. I have played both MIJ
> > and the CIJ(atleast the more recent ones with Alder bodies) and I must
> > say the CIJ are much better. The metal feels nicer and the guitars
> > fell heavier and more solid.
> >
> > Feel free to send me an AV to compare these guitars.
> >
> > --- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...>
> wrote:
> > > My early Fender guitars included a '58 Duo Sonic with maple
> > fingerboard, a '66 Mustang, and a '64 "L" Jazzmaster.
> > >
> > > None of these had smooth-edged frets - Fender just didn't make 'em
> > that way back then. The Duo and Mustang were light-years better than
> > the Sears-Teisco electric I started with, but they both suffered from
> > weak pickups, and the Mustang was impossible to keep in tune.
> > >
> > > The Jazzmaster, I owned and played for 14 years. I remember
> > snagging the sleeve of my sweater on the edge of one of the frets more
> > than once. The bridge was forever rattling and buzzing, until I
> > squeezed a drop of Elmers down each of the saddle-height screw holes.
> > The pickups were great, the string action excellent, and the sound of
> > the guitar just perfect for playing along with all my old Ventures
> > records.
> > >
> > > The strings were always popping out of the saddle grooves,
> > especially when stretching them, and sometimes when playing
> > aggressively - Too bad Buzz-Stops weren't around 30-odd years ago! I
> > sold the Jazzmaster on consignment at Norman's Rare Guitars in the mid
> > 80's to raise the money for a new Strat Standard.
> > >
> > > Do I miss that old "L" series? Only for sentimental reasons. My
> > '96 Fender-Japan Jazzmaster Ventures Model (with a Buzz-Stop) plays
> > and sounds better, and stays in tune every bit as well. Fender Japan
> > made this series out of light swamp ash, and used Seymour Duncan
> > Vintage Jazzmaster R/I pickups, and US hardware.
> > >
> > > My 2001 Solid-Alder Squier Jagmaster with Seymour Duncan Vintage
> > Jazzmaster R/I pickups, a '57 Fender Strat R/I pickup in the middle,
> > Sperzel locking tuners, a Fender LSR Roller Nut, and Fender American
> > Deluxe Series Strat Trem bridge is the guitar I used exclusively for
> > recording both Longboard Ranch CD's, and compares very well against
> > ANY Jazzmaster I've ever played.
> > >
> > > I just got a phone call this morning from Robert Silverstein at
> > 20th Century Guitar Magazine, who's just completed reviews of both
> > CD's. He kept going into raptures about the killer West-Coast vintage
> > surf sound that he heard on our CD's, as did Phil Dirt in his reviews,
> > and as most of the emails we've received from purchasers of the CD's
> > have attested. I am extremely doubtful that the results, or these
> > peoples' reactions would have been one iota more positive had I been
> > playing the AV Jazzmaster, or for that matter, one of the $4000+
> > Custom-Shop Jazzmasters.
> > >
> > > I've been playing long enough, enough different guitars, and played
> > seriously at the semi-pro and full-pro level, to know what works and
> > what doesn't work for me.
> > >
> > > You are more than welcome to have and express your opinions. My
> > opinion, (based on having done it), is that in less than one hour, I
> > can rewire the Seymour pups onto a Japan J/M, and install the
> > Buzz-Stop, dropping a Mustang bridge into the post-holes takes 2
> > seconds, and when you can buy a pristine 2003 Alder body Jap J/M for
> > $350 - $500, add $175-ish for those upgrades, and get the blonde or
> > brown Tolex G&G case for $129.00, you now have spent $650 - $800, and
> > at this point, your comment is that the fret edges are smoother on the
> > AV.
> > >
> > > I have no doubt that you're 100% correct on this, but, the fret
> > edges on the Japan J/M's have never been enough of an issue to me, to
> > merit spending another $350 to $600 for an AV. A good guitar tech can
> > smooth those edges for about $60 - $100 if they're bothering you that
> > much. And you'll still have saved $290 - $500 toward future
> > re-tubings for your amp and Reverb unit!
> > >
> > > Ben Franklin once said, "A penny saved is a penny earned." One of
> > the earlier postings alleged that I must not value my time to be
> > willing to do these mods and upgrades, just to save a few hundred
> > dollars. Au contraire mes amis! To spend one hour max and avoid
> > spending $290 to $500 is significant, at least to me! Maybe some of
> > you out there have money to burn; $290 per hour is more than most
> > lawyers bill for their time. Hello!!
> > >
> > > Bruce D
> > >
> > >
> > > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> > > Do you care to elaborate? I'd love to hear YOUR take on this.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > > Not at all shitty, just typical for the era
> > > >
> > > > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:Sounds like you
may
> > > have just had a shitty L series Jazzmaster.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Funny, the more you go into detail, the more your CIJ
Jazzmaster
> > > is
> > > > bringing back vivid memories of my old "L" series J/M!
> > > >
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From what I understand the basswood to alder. I have never heard
mention of a CIJ basswood body nor a MIJ alder body. There are too
many conflicting reports, mainly due to ebay. I've owned two CIJs and
played a couple MIJs and there is a difference in weight, which I am
guessing is due to the alder body. Correct me if I am wrong but this
is just what I hear. If anybody has a CIJ with Basswood let me know.
Or same with a MIJ with Alder.
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
> No fair making a statement without backing it up. What is the
difference between CIJ and MIJ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jacob Dobner
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:00 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New US Jazzmasters
>
>
> There is a difference between CIJ and MIJ.
>
> --- In , "Eric" <cirecc@y...> wrote:
> >
> ...I don't think that there is really a diference between CIJ and MIJ
> > because of the name. Sure fender japan uses better wood now, but
that
> > is something that would have been done if was still MIJ. saying
> > crafted is a marketing scheme because it sounds like it is of higher
> > quality than made and people believe it.
> > --- In , "Jacob Dobner"
> > <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > > I own two CIJ Jags. The first one is one of the $500 Musician
Friends
> > > 2003 Q series ones. I don't think the frets are sharp at all.
Same as
> > > on my Gretsch. I will be selling that Jag because I don't need
two CIJ
> > > Jags, and I spent money I don't have. The new one I bought is
also a Q
> > > series Jag and it is much better. It has a bound neck(along with
> > > matching headstock and block inlays) and it feels really nice. The
> > > neck is a little thicker it feels like and the edge where the
curve of
> > > the neck meets the fretboard is quite sharp and feels great.
Not sharp
> > > in the it is going to cut me sense. The bodies are the same on
both
> > > guitars. It came with a different trem arm. The trem unit on the
> > > second Jag doesn't bottom out and I have the bar really high.
My first
> > > jag bottomed out with the same strings. The second guitar came
with a
> > > mint green guard which is hideous with white pickup covers. I
put my
> > > AV pickups from the first jag into them. I'll post some
pictures after
> > > my gig today. I bought the new Jag for $650. I was going to
sell that
> > > one on ebay but I am keeping it since it plays better.
> > >
> > > Not to put down what Bill said, since he may be right, but I
hear a
> > > lot of people prefer the Japanese trem units. I haven't tried
the AV
> > > Jag or Jazzmaster so I cannot comment on this.
> > >
> > > I have no doubt that the AV guitars are better. I also think
they are
> > > a better value, on ebay. Bill got his for $825ish and I saw a
MIJ go
> > > for $850 because it had a matching headstock. I have played
both MIJ
> > > and the CIJ(atleast the more recent ones with Alder bodies)
and I must
> > > say the CIJ are much better. The metal feels nicer and the guitars
> > > fell heavier and more solid.
> > >
> > > Feel free to send me an AV to compare these guitars.
> > >
> > > --- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > My early Fender guitars included a '58 Duo Sonic with maple
> > > fingerboard, a '66 Mustang, and a '64 "L" Jazzmaster.
> > > >
> > > > None of these had smooth-edged frets - Fender just didn't
make 'em
> > > that way back then. The Duo and Mustang were light-years
better than
> > > the Sears-Teisco electric I started with, but they both
suffered from
> > > weak pickups, and the Mustang was impossible to keep in tune.
> > > >
> > > > The Jazzmaster, I owned and played for 14 years. I remember
> > > snagging the sleeve of my sweater on the edge of one of the
frets more
> > > than once. The bridge was forever rattling and buzzing, until I
> > > squeezed a drop of Elmers down each of the saddle-height screw
holes.
> > > The pickups were great, the string action excellent, and the
sound of
> > > the guitar just perfect for playing along with all my old Ventures
> > > records.
> > > >
> > > > The strings were always popping out of the saddle grooves,
> > > especially when stretching them, and sometimes when playing
> > > aggressively - Too bad Buzz-Stops weren't around 30-odd years
ago! I
> > > sold the Jazzmaster on consignment at Norman's Rare Guitars in
the mid
> > > 80's to raise the money for a new Strat Standard.
> > > >
> > > > Do I miss that old "L" series? Only for sentimental
reasons. My
> > > '96 Fender-Japan Jazzmaster Ventures Model (with a Buzz-Stop)
plays
> > > and sounds better, and stays in tune every bit as well.
Fender Japan
> > > made this series out of light swamp ash, and used Seymour Duncan
> > > Vintage Jazzmaster R/I pickups, and US hardware.
> > > >
> > > > My 2001 Solid-Alder Squier Jagmaster with Seymour Duncan Vintage
> > > Jazzmaster R/I pickups, a '57 Fender Strat R/I pickup in the
middle,
> > > Sperzel locking tuners, a Fender LSR Roller Nut, and Fender
American
> > > Deluxe Series Strat Trem bridge is the guitar I used
exclusively for
> > > recording both Longboard Ranch CD's, and compares very well
against
> > > ANY Jazzmaster I've ever played.
> > > >
> > > > I just got a phone call this morning from Robert Silverstein at
> > > 20th Century Guitar Magazine, who's just completed reviews of both
> > > CD's. He kept going into raptures about the killer West-Coast
vintage
> > > surf sound that he heard on our CD's, as did Phil Dirt in his
reviews,
> > > and as most of the emails we've received from purchasers of
the CD's
> > > have attested. I am extremely doubtful that the results, or these
> > > peoples' reactions would have been one iota more positive had
I been
> > > playing the AV Jazzmaster, or for that matter, one of the $4000+
> > > Custom-Shop Jazzmasters.
> > > >
> > > > I've been playing long enough, enough different guitars, and
played
> > > seriously at the semi-pro and full-pro level, to know what
works and
> > > what doesn't work for me.
> > > >
> > > > You are more than welcome to have and express your opinions. My
> > > opinion, (based on having done it), is that in less than one
hour, I
> > > can rewire the Seymour pups onto a Japan J/M, and install the
> > > Buzz-Stop, dropping a Mustang bridge into the post-holes takes 2
> > > seconds, and when you can buy a pristine 2003 Alder body Jap
J/M for
> > > $350 - $500, add $175-ish for those upgrades, and get the
blonde or
> > > brown Tolex G&G case for $129.00, you now have spent $650 -
$800, and
> > > at this point, your comment is that the fret edges are
smoother on the
> > > AV.
> > > >
> > > > I have no doubt that you're 100% correct on this, but, the fret
> > > edges on the Japan J/M's have never been enough of an issue to
me, to
> > > merit spending another $350 to $600 for an AV. A good guitar
tech can
> > > smooth those edges for about $60 - $100 if they're bothering
you that
> > > much. And you'll still have saved $290 - $500 toward future
> > > re-tubings for your amp and Reverb unit!
> > > >
> > > > Ben Franklin once said, "A penny saved is a penny earned."
One of
> > > the earlier postings alleged that I must not value my time to be
> > > willing to do these mods and upgrades, just to save a few hundred
> > > dollars. Au contraire mes amis! To spend one hour max and avoid
> > > spending $290 to $500 is significant, at least to me! Maybe
some of
> > > you out there have money to burn; $290 per hour is more than most
> > > lawyers bill for their time. Hello!!
> > > >
> > > > Bruce D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> > > > Do you care to elaborate? I'd love to hear YOUR take on this.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > > Not at all shitty, just typical for the era
> > > > >
> > > > > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:Sounds like you
> may
> > > > have just had a shitty L series Jazzmaster.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Funny, the more you go into detail, the more your CIJ
> Jazzmaster
> > > > is
> > > > > bringing back vivid memories of my old "L" series J/M!
> > > > >
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