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I already know who's going to poo-poo me for asking
for help/tab on this one but I've spent the better
part of the evening playing along with the CD and I
just can't get it down. I have really only recently
started playing my guitars again (I sometimes went for
weeks without touching them) because I spend a full
half of my week playing bass in two non-surf bands.
I've gotten a lot better about learning things by ear
and have been applying it to various songs lately, but
right now I'm stuck.
I've been playing the muted/chunked rythm part at the
beginning AA-CC-AA-GG (which I think sounds ok) and
the lead part (starting on the high E string and
moving down) A-G-E-D-EE-D-EE-D-A-C. When I play this
by myself I swear it's right, but when I play along
with the CD it doesn't. I've tried it in every other
position but none of those sound quite right either.
I'm almost positive about the progression...but
something isn't quite right. If anybody can help me
out I'd appreciate it.
Richard
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I hope I can help, here's how I play it.... the song is in Gm
Rhythm - (Muted single notes) G A# G F G A# G F etc.
C D# C A# C D# C A# etc.
Chords - F F F F F Gm Gm Gm Gm Gm F F F F F
Thats the first part..... The middle bridge part is
Chords A# Gm D# F repeat
Lead (it's a Gm bar chord played at the third fret - broken down
with a 7th(?) added
G F D A# D D A# D D G a#... G(slide 1 octave to 15th fret)
REPEAT
Then its the same chord form only in Cm, played at the 8th fret.
The Bridge is the same chords played in different positions higher
on the neck.
It's late, and this took longer than i thought. I hope it helps
you out, I am very bad at explaining some of this without tabbing
it out. Very Cool song, though!
Chris
The Aquasonics
--- In , Richard <errant_jedi@y...>
wrote:
>
> I already know who's going to poo-poo me for asking
> for help/tab on this one but I've spent the better
> part of the evening playing along with the CD and I
> just can't get it down. I have really only recently
> started playing my guitars again (I sometimes went for
> weeks without touching them) because I spend a full
> half of my week playing bass in two non-surf bands.
> I've gotten a lot better about learning things by ear
> and have been applying it to various songs lately, but
> right now I'm stuck.
>
> I've been playing the muted/chunked rythm part at the
> beginning AA-CC-AA-GG (which I think sounds ok) and
> the lead part (starting on the high E string and
> moving down) A-G-E-D-EE-D-EE-D-A-C. When I play this
> by myself I swear it's right, but when I play along
> with the CD it doesn't. I've tried it in every other
> position but none of those sound quite right either.
> I'm almost positive about the progression...but
> something isn't quite right. If anybody can help me
> out I'd appreciate it.
>
> Richard
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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--- In , "Chris" <chris@b...> wrote:
> I hope I can help, here's how I play it.... the song is in Gm
>
Chris, thank you for this excellent guide. As I mentioned a few days
ago, the key of this song makes me think that it was sped up a 1/2
step like Penetration was. I guess it wouldn't have to be, but that
muted rhythm part would be easier to play that way. And since it's so
similiar to Penetration it makes me wonder.
Thanks!
BN
How are you playing the muted part? Try it with your third finger
on the 6th string G (3rd fret), then index finger on 5th sting A#
(first fret), G (6th string 3rd fret) then F (6th string first fret)
You were probably playing it like this anyway.
One song I know was sped up (or guitar is re-tuned higher) is the
song "El Gato" on the Lost legends of Surf Disc vol 1. I can see no
way of playing it without retuning or using a capo.
Chris
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> --- In , "Chris" <chris@b...> wrote:
> > I hope I can help, here's how I play it.... the song is in Gm
> >
>
> Chris, thank you for this excellent guide. As I mentioned a few days
> ago, the key of this song makes me think that it was sped up a 1/2
> step like Penetration was. I guess it wouldn't have to be, but that
> muted rhythm part would be easier to play that way. And since it's so
> similiar to Penetration it makes me wonder.
>
> Thanks!
> BN
> I hope I can help, here's how I play it.... the song is in Gm
>
> Rhythm - (Muted single notes) G A# G F G A# G F etc.
Yep... extremely simple riff
(Gm riff)
e--------------------------
B--------------------------
G--------------------------
D----0-----0-----0-----0---
A-------1------------------
E--3----------3-----1------ . . .
> C D# C A# C D# C A# etc.
(Cm riff)
e--------------------------
B--------------------------
G----0-----0-----0-----0---
D-------1------------------
A--3----------3-----1------ . . .
E--------------------------
> Chords - F F F F F Gm Gm Gm Gm Gm F F F F F
Almost... the Gm goes twice the first time through:
(2x)
F... Gm...
e---5---5---5---5-5-5-----6---6---6---6-6----
B---6---6---6---6-6-6-----8---8---8---8-8----
G---5---5---5---5-5-5-----7---7---7---7-7----
D---7---7---7---7-7-7-----8---8---8---8-8----
A--------------------------------------------
E--------------------------------------------
It's only F... Gm... F... into the bridge:
[BRIDGE]
Bb
e--10--------------10-----------------
B------11------11------11------11-----
G----------10--------------10---------
D-------------------------------------
A-------------------------------------
E-------------------------------------
Gm
e--10--------------10-----------------
B------11------11------11------11-----
G----------12--------------12---------
D-------------------------------------
A-------------------------------------
E-------------------------------------
Eb
e--11--------------11-----------------
B------11------11------11------11-----
G----------12--------------12---------
D-------------------------------------
A-------------------------------------
E-------------------------------------
F7
e--11--------------11-----------------
B-----(13)-----13------13------13-----
G----------14--------------14---------
D-------------------------------------
A-------------------------------------
E-------------------------------------
That C in the F7 is considerably sloppy, yuk.
And as the last tail quirk, they end it on a G major chord.
F... Gm... F... Gmajor
> As I mentioned a few days
> > ago, the key of this song makes me think that it was sped up a 1/2
> > step like Penetration was. I guess it wouldn't have to be, but
that
> > muted rhythm part would be easier to play that way. And since
it's so
> > similiar to Penetration it makes me wonder.
> >
Hmm... I can't imagine it being any easier to play, using the open D
as the pedal point in both songs. In Surf, things are typically done
first with regard to ease, and secondly with regard to tone. Mostly
due to the fact that the originators were not super technical players
at all.
It's an "okay" song, but they should have just called it "Penetration
Part 2".
e--3--1-----------------------------
B--------3-----33-----33--1---------
G-----------3------3---------0--3---
D-----------------------------------
A-----------------------------------
E-----------------------------------
That is the progression I'm playing. It sounds right
to me. I'm doing the rhythm part at the third fret on
the E string, GG-A#A#-GG-FF.
As for the bridge I'm picking the chords that Chris
gave on the high string and sounds pretty correct too.
This is making me want to take up the drums.
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Cool thread. I'm gonna reply to a bunch of folks all at once here:
--- In , "Chris" <chris@b...> wrote:
> How are you playing the muted part? Try it with your third
finger
> on the 6th string G (3rd fret), then index finger on 5th sting A#
> (first fret), G (6th string 3rd fret) then F (6th string first
fret)
>
> You were probably playing it like this anyway.
D'OH! No I wasn't. I was playing it all on the 6th string, and was
sliding down for the F. Thanks! If the song was in F#m you could
play it on one string easier (minus the pedal part that red_thundr
showed us). That's what I was trying to get at.
The whole theory about *Penetration* being sped up a 1/2 step was
that Steve Leonard stated emphatically in the Surfin' Guitars book
that the lead guitar on that track was a Strat; Strats only had 21
frets at the time. If you play along to the recording, it sounds
like it's in Gm, but you can't hit that super high note in that one
verse on a Strat with 21 frets (but you can on a 22 fret Jaguar). So
my theory (and some others on Cowabunga a few years ago) was that
this song got sped up, maybe to not overshoot the magic 2 minute
song length required of the day, or perhaps just to give the song a
faster feel. However, that does make it slightly harder to pull of
that pedal note thing!!! Hmmm!
I still play Penetration in Gm on my Jaguar so I can match the
recording.
So now that you have corrected me Chris it does seem reasonable to
play Pressure in Gm. I really stay awake at night wondering about
these minutiae. Insane isn't it? :-)
--- In , "red_thundr" <red_thundr@y...>
wrote:
[...]
> The Pyramids were probably the most gimmicky late-era surf band out
> there, even going so far as to shave their heads, wear Beatles
wigs,
> and *hire* girls to storm the stage. They were obviously less
> interested in creating great new songs, and more interested in the
> next big gimmick.
Well, in their defense, if you read the Surfin' Guitars book on
them, the band feels that their management made them do all of those
gimmicky things. They also think their manager ripped them off big
time (which doesn't sound so unusual for back then unfortunately).
Clearly Pressure and Contact are meant to build on (or capitalize)
on Penetration. Then again, look at the surfy songs the Astronauts
stamped out. All of them were in the same mold too.
Thanks for the good discussion guys! Keep it coming.
BN
Ok, I hate to be the doofus here but I got a little
lost on something--what exactly do you guys mean by
pedal note?
On the subject of the lead guitar for Penetration I
would assume that it was a Strat because I've never
seen them pictured with anything but Strats. I never
thought about the Strat not having 22 frets. I've
always played it on a Jag neck.
Richard
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A pedal note is a note that is sustained or repeated.
The D in the riff posted by Red is a perfect example:
[scooped from Reds post]
(Gm riff)
e--------------------------
B--------------------------
G--------------------------
D----0-----0-----0-----0---
A-------1------------------
E--3----------3-----1------ . . .
T
Richard wrote:
> Ok, I hate to be the doofus here but I got a little
> lost on something--what exactly do you guys mean by
> pedal note?
>
> On the subject of the lead guitar for Penetration I
> would assume that it was a Strat because I've never
> seen them pictured with anything but Strats. I never
> thought about the Strat not having 22 frets. I've
> always played it on a Jag neck.
>
> Richard
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-Brian,
From what I heard, the recordings were a little sloppy,
and this helped to tighten up the sound abit.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
-- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...> wrote:
> Cool thread. I'm gonna reply to a bunch of folks all at once here:
>
> --- In , "Chris" <chris@b...> wrote:
> > How are you playing the muted part? Try it with your third
> finger
> > on the 6th string G (3rd fret), then index finger on 5th sting
A#
> > (first fret), G (6th string 3rd fret) then F (6th string first
> fret)
> >
> > You were probably playing it like this anyway.
>
> D'OH! No I wasn't. I was playing it all on the 6th string, and was
> sliding down for the F. Thanks! If the song was in F#m you could
> play it on one string easier (minus the pedal part that red_thundr
> showed us). That's what I was trying to get at.
>
> The whole theory about *Penetration* being sped up a 1/2 step was
> that Steve Leonard stated emphatically in the Surfin' Guitars book
> that the lead guitar on that track was a Strat; Strats only had 21
> frets at the time. If you play along to the recording, it sounds
> like it's in Gm, but you can't hit that super high note in that one
> verse on a Strat with 21 frets (but you can on a 22 fret Jaguar).
So
> my theory (and some others on Cowabunga a few years ago) was that
> this song got sped up, maybe to not overshoot the magic 2 minute
> song length required of the day, or perhaps just to give the song a
> faster feel. However, that does make it slightly harder to pull of
> that pedal note thing!!! Hmmm!
>
> I still play Penetration in Gm on my Jaguar so I can match the
> recording.
>
> So now that you have corrected me Chris it does seem reasonable to
> play Pressure in Gm. I really stay awake at night wondering about
> these minutiae. Insane isn't it? :-)
>
> --- In , "red_thundr"
<red_thundr@y...>
> wrote:
> [...]
> > The Pyramids were probably the most gimmicky late-era surf band
out
> > there, even going so far as to shave their heads, wear Beatles
> wigs,
> > and *hire* girls to storm the stage. They were obviously less
> > interested in creating great new songs, and more interested in the
> > next big gimmick.
>
> Well, in their defense, if you read the Surfin' Guitars book on
> them, the band feels that their management made them do all of
those
> gimmicky things. They also think their manager ripped them off big
> time (which doesn't sound so unusual for back then unfortunately).
>
> Clearly Pressure and Contact are meant to build on (or capitalize)
> on Penetration. Then again, look at the surfy songs the Astronauts
> stamped out. All of them were in the same mold too.
>
> Thanks for the good discussion guys! Keep it coming.
>
> BN
