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all in good spirits,
some are less sensitive then others about 'getting told how it's done'.
there is a lot to say for finding out stuff by yourself to get the
creative process running - and then again, there is also a lot to gain
by simply getting instructions. If i ask what tool to use to put in a
screw, i am not waiting for someone to tell me to start experimenting
with a hammer, really. I for one especially value the advice
of "arrogant know-it-all-opinion throwers" (meant ironically, 2b sure)
because they usually DO know better then me and i can destilate what i
want to do anyway.
i also think that knowledge and skill are not necesarrily frustrating
the creative process, in fact i think they help a lot. if someone isn't
very creative with a lot of skill and knowledge, he probably wouldn't
have been without it. but (very) occiasonally the blank approach leads
to something special, that's true.
having said that, i don't know any seriuous surf player using thin
picks. the downsides imho are: thin tone, little control over
trempicking due to flappiness of the pick, and more chance of getting
cramps because you have to grip the pick more firm. it feels very
unnatural to me. and thin picks are desastrous for doing anything other
then trempicking.
but indeed: if it works for you, go for it.
my 1 1/2 cent
Wannes
I use thin Jim Dunlap "Gels" for quiet songs like
"Rell Sunn Aloha", and "Nocturne", because I can play
more expressively, and still keep the "attack" sound.
The guitar is quieter due to having to play softer
because of the thinnest of the pick.
When I'm in a rush, and don't change from the "Gels"
ML
pick that I use for the aggressive songs to the "Gels"
light guage, I find that I have to play so softly that
I almost drop the pick, especially when the amps are
set for the mostly louder music.
The "Gels" sound most like real tortoise shell to me.
Real tortoise shell is the sound you hear on all the
old records. They are illegal to make and to sell now.
I have a small stash of them I only use for recording.
For me, part of the sound that's cool for surf is the
"card hitting the bike spoke" sound. Picks that make a
"thud" sound don't thrill me.
--- dave
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> having said that, i don't know any seriuous surf
> player using thin
> picks. the downsides imho are: thin tone, little
> control over
> trempicking due to flappiness of the pick, and more
> chance of getting
> cramps because you have to grip the pick more firm.
> it feels very
> unnatural to me. and thin picks are desastrous for
> doing anything other
> then trempicking.
> but indeed: if it works for you, go for it.
>
> my 1 1/2 cent
> Wannes
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Dave, have you tried the Dunlop Ultex? They have a nice natural feel as well.
-Paul
--- In , dave wronski <stickmandw@y...> wrote:
> I use thin Jim Dunlap "Gels" for quiet songs like
> "Rell Sunn Aloha", and "Nocturne", because I can play
> more expressively, and still keep the "attack" sound.
> The guitar is quieter due to having to play softer
> because of the thinnest of the pick.
>
> When I'm in a rush, and don't change from the "Gels"
> ML
> pick that I use for the aggressive songs to the "Gels"
> light guage, I find that I have to play so softly that
> I almost drop the pick, especially when the amps are
> set for the mostly louder music.
>
> The "Gels" sound most like real tortoise shell to me.
> Real tortoise shell is the sound you hear on all the
> old records. They are illegal to make and to sell now.
> I have a small stash of them I only use for recording.
>
> For me, part of the sound that's cool for surf is the
> "card hitting the bike spoke" sound. Picks that make a
> "thud" sound don't thrill me.
>
> --- dave
>
>
>
> >
> > having said that, i don't know any seriuous surf
> > player using thin
> > picks. the downsides imho are: thin tone, little
> > control over
> > trempicking due to flappiness of the pick, and more
> > chance of getting
> > cramps because you have to grip the pick more firm.
> > it feels very
> > unnatural to me. and thin picks are desastrous for
> > doing anything other
> > then trempicking.
> > but indeed: if it works for you, go for it.
> >
> > my 1 1/2 cent
> > Wannes
> >
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thanks dave,
Learning evry day - as said in another post, I love getting set
straight by people more knowledgable then myself ;-)
could you gimme a bit more on those picks? I can't find the actual
thickness on the web, and besides, material does so much. I am
surprised someone can actually play more dynamically with thinner
picks, to me it feels like you need some stiffness for playing
dynamical.
I currently use ebe glow in the dark heavy's, but they feel more like
mediums to me, a bit like dunlop nylon dark grey, i think they are
about .73 mm, just tad stiffer. and they sound less dull.
me referring to light picks means the thinnest two varieties of
dunlop nylon, which is what is widly available in my hometown. those
are very thin. how would the gels compare to those in terms
of 'stiffness feel'?
weren't original tortoise very stiff? I must say i tried the
dunlop 'fake' tortioises, and i didn't like them at all, esp because
of the rough surface. are they anythink like real tortoise?
thanks WR
--- In , dave wronski <stickmandw@y...>
wrote:
> I use thin Jim Dunlap "Gels" for quiet songs like
> "Rell Sunn Aloha", and "Nocturne", because I can play
> more expressively, and still keep the "attack" sound.
> The guitar is quieter due to having to play softer
> because of the thinnest of the pick.
>
> When I'm in a rush, and don't change from the "Gels"
> ML
> pick that I use for the aggressive songs to the "Gels"
> light guage, I find that I have to play so softly that
> I almost drop the pick, especially when the amps are
> set for the mostly louder music.
>
> The "Gels" sound most like real tortoise shell to me.
> Real tortoise shell is the sound you hear on all the
> old records. They are illegal to make and to sell now.
> I have a small stash of them I only use for recording.
>
> For me, part of the sound that's cool for surf is the
> "card hitting the bike spoke" sound. Picks that make a
> "thud" sound don't thrill me.
>
> --- dave
>
>
>
> >
> > having said that, i don't know any seriuous surf
> > player using thin
> > picks. the downsides imho are: thin tone, little
> > control over
> > trempicking due to flappiness of the pick, and more
> > chance of getting
> > cramps because you have to grip the pick more firm.
> > it feels very
> > unnatural to me. and thin picks are desastrous for
> > doing anything other
> > then trempicking.
> > but indeed: if it works for you, go for it.
> >
> > my 1 1/2 cent
> > Wannes
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hey Dave,
Thanks for chiming in here. Didn't mean to stir up such a sheet storm
of controversy, But lately I've been obsessing over picking
techniques after never really giving it much thought for the last 35
years.
I haven't had the pleasure of using tortoise shell, but the gypsy
players I've been hanging with all swear by Michel Wegen's picks. He
refuses to reveal their top secret composition and they sure don't
feel like ANY of the various synthetic compounds that other
manufacturers employ. They just seem to slice thru' the strings like
no other plectrums I've used - but they're 3.5 mm thick and designed
to be used with acoustic guitars with light strings jacked way up. My
JM with heavy flats and low action is exactlly the opposite.
BTW, do you use the 'rest stroke' technique for the fast stuff? It
kinda sounds like it.
--- In , dave wronski <stickmandw@y...>
wrote:
> I use thin Jim Dunlap "Gels" for quiet songs like
> "Rell Sunn Aloha", and "Nocturne", because I can play
> more expressively, and still keep the "attack" sound.
> The guitar is quieter due to having to play softer
> because of the thinnest of the pick.
>
> When I'm in a rush, and don't change from the "Gels"
> ML
> pick that I use for the aggressive songs to the "Gels"
> light guage, I find that I have to play so softly that
> I almost drop the pick, especially when the amps are
> set for the mostly louder music.
>
> The "Gels" sound most like real tortoise shell to me.
> Real tortoise shell is the sound you hear on all the
> old records. They are illegal to make and to sell now.
> I have a small stash of them I only use for recording.
>
> For me, part of the sound that's cool for surf is the
> "card hitting the bike spoke" sound. Picks that make a
> "thud" sound don't thrill me.
>
> --- dave
>
>
>
> >
> > having said that, i don't know any seriuous surf
> > player using thin
> > picks. the downsides imho are: thin tone, little
> > control over
> > trempicking due to flappiness of the pick, and more
> > chance of getting
> > cramps because you have to grip the pick more firm.
> > it feels very
> > unnatural to me. and thin picks are desastrous for
> > doing anything other
> > then trempicking.
> > but indeed: if it works for you, go for it.
> >
> > my 1 1/2 cent
> > Wannes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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