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Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been much discussion on the
BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,so has anyone got opinions ? Has there been
a blind fold test yet ? Would a new RI tank be preferable to a SF one in good
condition ?
Last week I listened to:
A Few Guitars More - the Morricone comp, very good
The Astronauts - Surfin' with/ Everthinfg is A-OK , hey its Baja in its orginal
glory,good fun
Mulchmen - Louder Than Dirt,Thicker than Mud - great title,some good, some not
so.
This week it is
Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir - that sweet strat sound,very good
The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
and also I've been listening to Marty Tippens practice what he preaches
The Fabulous Planktones - Live at the Sinbad - terrific songs, just fabulous !!
BTW How do the modern day Exotics stand in the group ratings ? Any one got their
"Go-Go Guitars" ?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hey Rodney,
I'm guessing there is no significant difference in the sound of silver face vs
black face tanks even if not all components match up. Tube reverb from Fender
tanks is such a lush sound that I always question any supposed differences that
get mentioned. I've noticed that a lot of folks who get their first reverb tanks
don't realize what's involved and they're quick to think something must wrong.
Does it need different tubes or caps etc..? But the sound of a tube reverb tank
is a major departure from standard amp reverbs. It's not clean and guitar notes
will loose some definition. There's a learning curve. The trick is to find the
right settings for given songs.
Thanks for the nice comments on Sinbad!
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Rodney Fraser
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] SF Reverb Tanks & what I'm listening to ?
Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been much discussion on
the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,so has anyone got opinions ? Has there
been a blind fold test yet ? Would a new RI tank be preferable to a SF one in
good condition ?
Last week I listened to:
A Few Guitars More - the Morricone comp, very good
The Astronauts - Surfin' with/ Everthinfg is A-OK , hey its Baja in its
orginal glory,good fun
Mulchmen - Louder Than Dirt,Thicker than Mud - great title,some good, some not
so.
This week it is
Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir - that sweet strat sound,very good
The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
and also I've been listening to Marty Tippens practice what he preaches
The Fabulous Planktones - Live at the Sinbad - terrific songs, just fabulous
!!
BTW How do the modern day Exotics stand in the group ratings ? Any one got
their "Go-Go Guitars" ?
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The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
i've been listening to their ultra sonic cd this week....carol
Silverface reverb tanks are completly different from blacface. you
can look up the schematics at schematicheavendotcom. as far as i can
tell it uses a different reverb transformer too, so it would be very
hard to convert.
What i have read about them they don't sound nearly as good as
6G15's, but then again, there is a lot of bs on the web. I have never
heard one personally.
Listen to it, and if you like what you hear go for it, as long as you
don't expect it sound like a 6g15 (unless of course it does already)
I have seen them put up on ebay for vintage pricess, but don't know
whether they were sold ...
good luck
WR
--- In , "Rodney Fraser" <rfraser@i...>
wrote:
> Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been much
discussion on the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,so has anyone
got opinions ? Has there been a blind fold test yet ? Would a new RI
tank be preferable to a SF one in good condition ?
>
> Last week I listened to:
> A Few Guitars More - the Morricone comp, very good
> The Astronauts - Surfin' with/ Everthinfg is A-OK , hey its Baja in
its orginal glory,good fun
> Mulchmen - Louder Than Dirt,Thicker than Mud - great title,some
good, some not so.
>
> This week it is
> Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir - that sweet strat sound,very good
> The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
>
> and also I've been listening to Marty Tippens practice what he
preaches
>
> The Fabulous Planktones - Live at the Sinbad - terrific songs,
just fabulous !!
>
> BTW How do the modern day Exotics stand in the group ratings ? Any
one got their "Go-Go Guitars" ?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Being a trad-style surf guitarist, the sound of my reverb is quite critical to
me.
I own an original brown '63 Fender Reverb unit, a Silverface '67 or '68, and
(gasp!) an early '70's Fender Solid-State Reverb unit.
I'd only use the solid-state one if both the other units were down. To my very
demanding ear, the difference in quality of reverb, springiness, and tone
between the brown and sliverface units is extremely minor. Both units have been
recently refurbed, but no modifications made so they are 99.99% as they came
from the factory.
If I rate the brown unit at "10", the silverface unit gets a solid "9", and the
solid-state unit "7 to 7.5".
Reverb is our friend.
Bruce D
mono_tones_1 <> wrote:
Silverface reverb tanks are completly different from blacface. you
can look up the schematics at schematicheavendotcom. as far as i can
tell it uses a different reverb transformer too, so it would be very
hard to convert.
What i have read about them they don't sound nearly as good as
6G15's, but then again, there is a lot of bs on the web. I have never
heard one personally.
Listen to it, and if you like what you hear go for it, as long as you
don't expect it sound like a 6g15 (unless of course it does already)
I have seen them put up on ebay for vintage pricess, but don't know
whether they were sold ...
good luck
WR
--- In , "Rodney Fraser" <rfraser@i...>
wrote:
> Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been much
discussion on the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,so has anyone
got opinions ? Has there been a blind fold test yet ? Would a new RI
tank be preferable to a SF one in good condition ?
>
> Last week I listened to:
> A Few Guitars More - the Morricone comp, very good
> The Astronauts - Surfin' with/ Everthinfg is A-OK , hey its Baja in
its orginal glory,good fun
> Mulchmen - Louder Than Dirt,Thicker than Mud - great title,some
good, some not so.
>
> This week it is
> Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir - that sweet strat sound,very good
> The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
>
> and also I've been listening to Marty Tippens practice what he
preaches
>
> The Fabulous Planktones - Live at the Sinbad - terrific songs,
just fabulous !!
>
> BTW How do the modern day Exotics stand in the group ratings ? Any
one got their "Go-Go Guitars" ?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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What would be a RI unit on your scale? And how about on board reverb
compared to the solid state reverb unit. I have a RI unit and I have
always been curious about the vintage units. I play rhythm so it
doesn't matter as much. I do need new tubes. That much I know. My
reverb is very harsh. The original tubes that came with it don't work
and my replacements were crap.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> Being a trad-style surf guitarist, the sound of my reverb is quite
critical to me.
>
> I own an original brown '63 Fender Reverb unit, a Silverface '67 or
'68, and (gasp!) an early '70's Fender Solid-State Reverb unit.
>
> I'd only use the solid-state one if both the other units were down.
To my very demanding ear, the difference in quality of reverb,
springiness, and tone between the brown and sliverface units is
extremely minor. Both units have been recently refurbed, but no
modifications made so they are 99.99% as they came from the factory.
>
> If I rate the brown unit at "10", the silverface unit gets a solid
"9", and the solid-state unit "7 to 7.5".
>
> Reverb is our friend.
>
> Bruce D
>
>
> mono_tones_1 <rockverb@h...> wrote:
>
> Silverface reverb tanks are completly different from blacface. you
> can look up the schematics at schematicheavendotcom. as far as i can
> tell it uses a different reverb transformer too, so it would be very
> hard to convert.
> What i have read about them they don't sound nearly as good as
> 6G15's, but then again, there is a lot of bs on the web. I have never
> heard one personally.
> Listen to it, and if you like what you hear go for it, as long as you
> don't expect it sound like a 6g15 (unless of course it does already)
> I have seen them put up on ebay for vintage pricess, but don't know
> whether they were sold ...
>
> good luck
> WR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "Rodney Fraser" <rfraser@i...>
> wrote:
> > Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been much
> discussion on the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,so has anyone
> got opinions ? Has there been a blind fold test yet ? Would a new RI
> tank be preferable to a SF one in good condition ?
> >
> > Last week I listened to:
> > A Few Guitars More - the Morricone comp, very good
> > The Astronauts - Surfin' with/ Everthinfg is A-OK , hey its Baja in
> its orginal glory,good fun
> > Mulchmen - Louder Than Dirt,Thicker than Mud - great title,some
> good, some not so.
> >
> > This week it is
> > Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir - that sweet strat sound,very good
> > The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
> >
> > and also I've been listening to Marty Tippens practice what he
> preaches
> >
> > The Fabulous Planktones - Live at the Sinbad - terrific songs,
> just fabulous !!
> >
> > BTW How do the modern day Exotics stand in the group ratings ? Any
> one got their "Go-Go Guitars" ?
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In , "Rodney Fraser" <rfraser@i...>
wrote:
> Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been much
> discussion on the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,
> so has anyone got opinions?
Everybody has an opinion, and more often than not, they conflict with
each other. If you want cold hard facts, there are virtually none.
> Has there been a blind fold test yet?
Blind testing? On *this* group? Ha, keep dreaming. You will get a
hundred opinions, but no one has gone so far as to gather any
empirical facts to back them up. All their arguments fall apart the
moment you ask them to prove which one sounds better. You might as
well ask this group what your favorite dessert is. How should we
know? Someone is going to tell you apple pie, someone else is going
to say ice cream, and yet another person will tell you lemon pudding.
But only you know what you like.
> Would a new RI tank be preferable to a SF one in good condition?
For something as personal as your tone, my advice to you is to go out
and try them both. Side-by-side, if at all possible, and with *your*
gear. Let *your* ear decide. You may find that you prefer the
Silverface, or you may find that you prefer the RI. The best thing is
to just try them both, and pick the one you like. The worst thing you
can do is let someone else tell you what you'll like.
Now, if it's a particular tone you're after, then it might be worth
asking for gear guidance here. Name a track, album, or artist whose
tone you are trying to capture, and then maybe you'll get some useful
input, i.e. the guitar, the gauge of string, the reverb tank, the amp,
etc. Otherwise, you're just being led on by someone else's opinions
and personal preferences without any supporting facts.
Good luck...
I think the big problem in the whole RI vs. Vintage vs. whatever else
debate is that every amp/reverb unit/guitar is different. Especially
the amps and reverb units. Our lead guitarists reverb unit sounds so
much better than mine. It comes down to a better tone. There will be
some people who disagree on what sounds better but for the most part I
feel if we were all in the same room we would agree on what amps and
reverb units sound better. The reason we don't is because not all of
our gear is in perfect shape. If it was all perfect and sounds the way
it should then there would be a concise answer as to the better tone
or sound. Maybe not as much on amps but I feel that is so for the
reverb units.
Who knows.
--- In , "red_thundr" <red_thundr@y...>
wrote:
>
> --- In , "Rodney Fraser" <rfraser@i...>
> wrote:
> > Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been much
> > discussion on the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,
> > so has anyone got opinions?
>
> Everybody has an opinion, and more often than not, they conflict with
> each other. If you want cold hard facts, there are virtually none.
>
> > Has there been a blind fold test yet?
>
> Blind testing? On *this* group? Ha, keep dreaming. You will get a
> hundred opinions, but no one has gone so far as to gather any
> empirical facts to back them up. All their arguments fall apart the
> moment you ask them to prove which one sounds better. You might as
> well ask this group what your favorite dessert is. How should we
> know? Someone is going to tell you apple pie, someone else is going
> to say ice cream, and yet another person will tell you lemon pudding.
> But only you know what you like.
>
> > Would a new RI tank be preferable to a SF one in good condition?
>
> For something as personal as your tone, my advice to you is to go out
> and try them both. Side-by-side, if at all possible, and with *your*
> gear. Let *your* ear decide. You may find that you prefer the
> Silverface, or you may find that you prefer the RI. The best thing is
> to just try them both, and pick the one you like. The worst thing you
> can do is let someone else tell you what you'll like.
>
> Now, if it's a particular tone you're after, then it might be worth
> asking for gear guidance here. Name a track, album, or artist whose
> tone you are trying to capture, and then maybe you'll get some useful
> input, i.e. the guitar, the gauge of string, the reverb tank, the amp,
> etc. Otherwise, you're just being led on by someone else's opinions
> and personal preferences without any supporting facts.
>
> Good luck...
Hey Jacob:
They're overpriced, but the original Reverb Units from the early 60's are my
first choice, then followed by the succeeding generations.
The only real issue with the R/I units is printed circuit board vs. hand wiring.
There are relatively inexpenisve mods that can improve their performance and
sound, and at $300-$400 they're pretty reasonable alternatives to spending
$1,200 and up for a brown original '63!
The tubes make a major difference, so much of your dissatisfaction with the
sound quality of your unit probably boils down to putting in better tubes. A
very reasonably priced alternative to NOS RCA, GE, Sylvania, etc., are the
excellent 6V6 and 12AX7 tubes being made under the JJ-Tesla brand. You can buy
these from Antique Electronic Supply in Phoenix, AZ, (www.tubesandmore.com).
The JJ's run about $11 for the 6V6 and $8 for the 12AX7 and they've been getting
rave reviews from vintage-sound freaks across the country.
The solid state unit is at the bottom of my list of Fender Reverb Units, but it
DOES have the Hammond Spring Tank, so it is a real spring reverb. IMHO it's way
better than digital, modelling, or emulation, and it's way deeper than any
on-board reverb I've heard. The tone/sound is NOT exactly the same as the tube
units, so you'd have to actually try it out to see whether or not you like the
sound.
Fortunately, rare as they are, the old Fender solid state Reverb Units do come
up on ebay fairly regularly and sell typically at $150-$250, a pretty reasonable
price compared against all the others. If you bought one in that price range,
and didn't like it, you shouldn't have much trouble getting your money back out
of it on resale through ebay.
Getting the sound you want is really a very individual thing, so all I can tell
you is, within the scope of your budget, try on a few alternatives and choose
the one that your ears like the best!
Good luck,
Bruce D
Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
What would be a RI unit on your scale? And how about on board reverb
compared to the solid state reverb unit. I have a RI unit and I have
always been curious about the vintage units. I play rhythm so it
doesn't matter as much. I do need new tubes. That much I know. My
reverb is very harsh. The original tubes that came with it don't work
and my replacements were crap.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> Being a trad-style surf guitarist, the sound of my reverb is quite
critical to me.
>
> I own an original brown '63 Fender Reverb unit, a Silverface '67 or
'68, and (gasp!) an early '70's Fender Solid-State Reverb unit.
>
> I'd only use the solid-state one if both the other units were down.
To my very demanding ear, the difference in quality of reverb,
springiness, and tone between the brown and sliverface units is
extremely minor. Both units have been recently refurbed, but no
modifications made so they are 99.99% as they came from the factory.
>
> If I rate the brown unit at "10", the silverface unit gets a solid
"9", and the solid-state unit "7 to 7.5".
>
> Reverb is our friend.
>
> Bruce D
>
>
> mono_tones_1 <rockverb@h...> wrote:
>
> Silverface reverb tanks are completly different from blacface. you
> can look up the schematics at schematicheavendotcom. as far as i can
> tell it uses a different reverb transformer too, so it would be very
> hard to convert.
> What i have read about them they don't sound nearly as good as
> 6G15's, but then again, there is a lot of bs on the web. I have never
> heard one personally.
> Listen to it, and if you like what you hear go for it, as long as you
> don't expect it sound like a 6g15 (unless of course it does already)
> I have seen them put up on ebay for vintage pricess, but don't know
> whether they were sold ...
>
> good luck
> WR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "Rodney Fraser" <rfraser@i...>
> wrote:
> > Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been much
> discussion on the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,so has anyone
> got opinions ? Has there been a blind fold test yet ? Would a new RI
> tank be preferable to a SF one in good condition ?
> >
> > Last week I listened to:
> > A Few Guitars More - the Morricone comp, very good
> > The Astronauts - Surfin' with/ Everthinfg is A-OK , hey its Baja in
> its orginal glory,good fun
> > Mulchmen - Louder Than Dirt,Thicker than Mud - great title,some
> good, some not so.
> >
> > This week it is
> > Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir - that sweet strat sound,very good
> > The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
> >
> > and also I've been listening to Marty Tippens practice what he
> preaches
> >
> > The Fabulous Planktones - Live at the Sinbad - terrific songs,
> just fabulous !!
> >
> > BTW How do the modern day Exotics stand in the group ratings ? Any
> one got their "Go-Go Guitars" ?
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks Bruce. I am going to take the Reverb Unit to the amp tech I go
to. I need new tubes for my Showman as well. The tech offered to do
all the work only for the price of the tubes.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> Hey Jacob:
>
> They're overpriced, but the original Reverb Units from the early
60's are my first choice, then followed by the succeeding generations.
>
> The only real issue with the R/I units is printed circuit board vs.
hand wiring. There are relatively inexpenisve mods that can improve
their performance and sound, and at $300-$400 they're pretty
reasonable alternatives to spending $1,200 and up for a brown original
'63!
>
> The tubes make a major difference, so much of your dissatisfaction
with the sound quality of your unit probably boils down to putting in
better tubes. A very reasonably priced alternative to NOS RCA, GE,
Sylvania, etc., are the excellent 6V6 and 12AX7 tubes being made under
the JJ-Tesla brand. You can buy these from Antique Electronic Supply
in Phoenix, AZ, (www.tubesandmore.com). The JJ's run about $11 for
the 6V6 and $8 for the 12AX7 and they've been getting rave reviews
from vintage-sound freaks across the country.
>
> The solid state unit is at the bottom of my list of Fender Reverb
Units, but it DOES have the Hammond Spring Tank, so it is a real
spring reverb. IMHO it's way better than digital, modelling, or
emulation, and it's way deeper than any on-board reverb I've heard.
The tone/sound is NOT exactly the same as the tube units, so you'd
have to actually try it out to see whether or not you like the sound.
>
> Fortunately, rare as they are, the old Fender solid state Reverb
Units do come up on ebay fairly regularly and sell typically at
$150-$250, a pretty reasonable price compared against all the others.
If you bought one in that price range, and didn't like it, you
shouldn't have much trouble getting your money back out of it on
resale through ebay.
>
> Getting the sound you want is really a very individual thing, so all
I can tell you is, within the scope of your budget, try on a few
alternatives and choose the one that your ears like the best!
>
> Good luck,
>
> Bruce D
>
>
> Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
> What would be a RI unit on your scale? And how about on board reverb
> compared to the solid state reverb unit. I have a RI unit and I have
> always been curious about the vintage units. I play rhythm so it
> doesn't matter as much. I do need new tubes. That much I know. My
> reverb is very harsh. The original tubes that came with it don't work
> and my replacements were crap.
>
> --- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...>
wrote:
> > Being a trad-style surf guitarist, the sound of my reverb is quite
> critical to me.
> >
> > I own an original brown '63 Fender Reverb unit, a Silverface '67 or
> '68, and (gasp!) an early '70's Fender Solid-State Reverb unit.
> >
> > I'd only use the solid-state one if both the other units were down.
> To my very demanding ear, the difference in quality of reverb,
> springiness, and tone between the brown and sliverface units is
> extremely minor. Both units have been recently refurbed, but no
> modifications made so they are 99.99% as they came from the factory.
> >
> > If I rate the brown unit at "10", the silverface unit gets a solid
> "9", and the solid-state unit "7 to 7.5".
> >
> > Reverb is our friend.
> >
> > Bruce D
> >
> >
> > mono_tones_1 <rockverb@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Silverface reverb tanks are completly different from blacface. you
> > can look up the schematics at schematicheavendotcom. as far as i can
> > tell it uses a different reverb transformer too, so it would be very
> > hard to convert.
> > What i have read about them they don't sound nearly as good as
> > 6G15's, but then again, there is a lot of bs on the web. I have never
> > heard one personally.
> > Listen to it, and if you like what you hear go for it, as long as you
> > don't expect it sound like a 6g15 (unless of course it does already)
> > I have seen them put up on ebay for vintage pricess, but don't know
> > whether they were sold ...
> >
> > good luck
> > WR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "Rodney Fraser" <rfraser@i...>
> > wrote:
> > > Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been much
> > discussion on the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,so has anyone
> > got opinions ? Has there been a blind fold test yet ? Would a new RI
> > tank be preferable to a SF one in good condition ?
> > >
> > > Last week I listened to:
> > > A Few Guitars More - the Morricone comp, very good
> > > The Astronauts - Surfin' with/ Everthinfg is A-OK , hey its Baja in
> > its orginal glory,good fun
> > > Mulchmen - Louder Than Dirt,Thicker than Mud - great title,some
> > good, some not so.
> > >
> > > This week it is
> > > Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir - that sweet strat sound,very good
> > > The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
> > >
> > > and also I've been listening to Marty Tippens practice what he
> > preaches
> > >
> > > The Fabulous Planktones - Live at the Sinbad - terrific songs,
> > just fabulous !!
> > >
> > > BTW How do the modern day Exotics stand in the group ratings ? Any
> > one got their "Go-Go Guitars" ?
> > >
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Hey Jacob - What model Showman do you have? I know you've said
before, but I'm being lazy and asking.....
What tubes are in it now? What are you going to put in it?
You'll have to give us a comparision before/after.....
Chris
--- In , "Jacob Dobner"
<jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bruce. I am going to take the Reverb Unit to the amp tech I
go
> to. I need new tubes for my Showman as well. The tech offered to do
> all the work only for the price of the tubes.
>
> --- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...>
wrote:
> > Hey Jacob:
> >
> > They're overpriced, but the original Reverb Units from the early
> 60's are my first choice, then followed by the succeeding
generations.
> >
> > The only real issue with the R/I units is printed circuit board
vs.
> hand wiring. There are relatively inexpenisve mods that can
improve
> their performance and sound, and at $300-$400 they're pretty
> reasonable alternatives to spending $1,200 and up for a brown
original
> '63!
> >
> > The tubes make a major difference, so much of your
dissatisfaction
> with the sound quality of your unit probably boils down to putting
in
> better tubes. A very reasonably priced alternative to NOS RCA, GE,
> Sylvania, etc., are the excellent 6V6 and 12AX7 tubes being made
under
> the JJ-Tesla brand. You can buy these from Antique Electronic
Supply
> in Phoenix, AZ, (www.tubesandmore.com). The JJ's run about $11 for
> the 6V6 and $8 for the 12AX7 and they've been getting rave reviews
> from vintage-sound freaks across the country.
> >
> > The solid state unit is at the bottom of my list of Fender Reverb
> Units, but it DOES have the Hammond Spring Tank, so it is a real
> spring reverb. IMHO it's way better than digital, modelling, or
> emulation, and it's way deeper than any on-board reverb I've
heard.
> The tone/sound is NOT exactly the same as the tube units, so you'd
> have to actually try it out to see whether or not you like the
sound.
> >
> > Fortunately, rare as they are, the old Fender solid state Reverb
> Units do come up on ebay fairly regularly and sell typically at
> $150-$250, a pretty reasonable price compared against all the
others.
> If you bought one in that price range, and didn't like it, you
> shouldn't have much trouble getting your money back out of it on
> resale through ebay.
> >
> > Getting the sound you want is really a very individual thing, so
all
> I can tell you is, within the scope of your budget, try on a few
> alternatives and choose the one that your ears like the best!
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Bruce D
> >
> >
> > Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> >
> > What would be a RI unit on your scale? And how about on board
reverb
> > compared to the solid state reverb unit. I have a RI unit and I
have
> > always been curious about the vintage units. I play rhythm so it
> > doesn't matter as much. I do need new tubes. That much I know. My
> > reverb is very harsh. The original tubes that came with it don't
work
> > and my replacements were crap.
> >
> > --- In , bruce d
<wizzbangg2003@y...>
> wrote:
> > > Being a trad-style surf guitarist, the sound of my reverb is
quite
> > critical to me.
> > >
> > > I own an original brown '63 Fender Reverb unit, a
Silverface '67 or
> > '68, and (gasp!) an early '70's Fender Solid-State Reverb unit.
> > >
> > > I'd only use the solid-state one if both the other units were
down.
> > To my very demanding ear, the difference in quality of reverb,
> > springiness, and tone between the brown and sliverface units is
> > extremely minor. Both units have been recently refurbed, but no
> > modifications made so they are 99.99% as they came from the
factory.
> > >
> > > If I rate the brown unit at "10", the silverface unit gets a
solid
> > "9", and the solid-state unit "7 to 7.5".
> > >
> > > Reverb is our friend.
> > >
> > > Bruce D
> > >
> > >
> > > mono_tones_1 <rockverb@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Silverface reverb tanks are completly different from blacface.
you
> > > can look up the schematics at schematicheavendotcom. as far as
i can
> > > tell it uses a different reverb transformer too, so it would
be very
> > > hard to convert.
> > > What i have read about them they don't sound nearly as good as
> > > 6G15's, but then again, there is a lot of bs on the web. I
have never
> > > heard one personally.
> > > Listen to it, and if you like what you hear go for it, as long
as you
> > > don't expect it sound like a 6g15 (unless of course it does
already)
> > > I have seen them put up on ebay for vintage pricess, but don't
know
> > > whether they were sold ...
> > >
> > > good luck
> > > WR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "Rodney Fraser"
<rfraser@i...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been
much
> > > discussion on the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,so has
anyone
> > > got opinions ? Has there been a blind fold test yet ? Would a
new RI
> > > tank be preferable to a SF one in good condition ?
> > > >
> > > > Last week I listened to:
> > > > A Few Guitars More - the Morricone comp, very good
> > > > The Astronauts - Surfin' with/ Everthinfg is A-OK , hey its
Baja in
> > > its orginal glory,good fun
> > > > Mulchmen - Louder Than Dirt,Thicker than Mud - great
title,some
> > > good, some not so.
> > > >
> > > > This week it is
> > > > Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir - that sweet strat sound,very good
> > > > The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
> > > >
> > > > and also I've been listening to Marty Tippens practice what
he
> > > preaches
> > > >
> > > > The Fabulous Planktones - Live at the Sinbad - terrific
songs,
> > > just fabulous !!
> > > >
> > > > BTW How do the modern day Exotics stand in the group
ratings ? Any
> > > one got their "Go-Go Guitars" ?
> > > >
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'64 "single" Showman. I have no clue what tubes are in it now. They
labels are worn off. Just the standard 6L6s. The amp tech recognized
them. They are really cheap and my amp is only at 80w with them in. I
will give a comparision when I get it done.
--- In , "Chris" <chris@b...> wrote:
>
> Hey Jacob - What model Showman do you have? I know you've said
> before, but I'm being lazy and asking.....
> What tubes are in it now? What are you going to put in it?
> You'll have to give us a comparision before/after.....
>
> Chris
>
>
> --- In , "Jacob Dobner"
> <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Bruce. I am going to take the Reverb Unit to the amp tech I
> go
> > to. I need new tubes for my Showman as well. The tech offered to do
> > all the work only for the price of the tubes.
> >
> > --- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...>
> wrote:
> > > Hey Jacob:
> > >
> > > They're overpriced, but the original Reverb Units from the early
> > 60's are my first choice, then followed by the succeeding
> generations.
> > >
> > > The only real issue with the R/I units is printed circuit board
> vs.
> > hand wiring. There are relatively inexpenisve mods that can
> improve
> > their performance and sound, and at $300-$400 they're pretty
> > reasonable alternatives to spending $1,200 and up for a brown
> original
> > '63!
> > >
> > > The tubes make a major difference, so much of your
> dissatisfaction
> > with the sound quality of your unit probably boils down to putting
> in
> > better tubes. A very reasonably priced alternative to NOS RCA, GE,
> > Sylvania, etc., are the excellent 6V6 and 12AX7 tubes being made
> under
> > the JJ-Tesla brand. You can buy these from Antique Electronic
> Supply
> > in Phoenix, AZ, (www.tubesandmore.com). The JJ's run about $11 for
> > the 6V6 and $8 for the 12AX7 and they've been getting rave reviews
> > from vintage-sound freaks across the country.
> > >
> > > The solid state unit is at the bottom of my list of Fender Reverb
> > Units, but it DOES have the Hammond Spring Tank, so it is a real
> > spring reverb. IMHO it's way better than digital, modelling, or
> > emulation, and it's way deeper than any on-board reverb I've
> heard.
> > The tone/sound is NOT exactly the same as the tube units, so you'd
> > have to actually try it out to see whether or not you like the
> sound.
> > >
> > > Fortunately, rare as they are, the old Fender solid state Reverb
> > Units do come up on ebay fairly regularly and sell typically at
> > $150-$250, a pretty reasonable price compared against all the
> others.
> > If you bought one in that price range, and didn't like it, you
> > shouldn't have much trouble getting your money back out of it on
> > resale through ebay.
> > >
> > > Getting the sound you want is really a very individual thing, so
> all
> > I can tell you is, within the scope of your budget, try on a few
> > alternatives and choose the one that your ears like the best!
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > Bruce D
> > >
> > >
> > > Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > What would be a RI unit on your scale? And how about on board
> reverb
> > > compared to the solid state reverb unit. I have a RI unit and I
> have
> > > always been curious about the vintage units. I play rhythm so it
> > > doesn't matter as much. I do need new tubes. That much I know. My
> > > reverb is very harsh. The original tubes that came with it don't
> work
> > > and my replacements were crap.
> > >
> > > --- In , bruce d
> <wizzbangg2003@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Being a trad-style surf guitarist, the sound of my reverb is
> quite
> > > critical to me.
> > > >
> > > > I own an original brown '63 Fender Reverb unit, a
> Silverface '67 or
> > > '68, and (gasp!) an early '70's Fender Solid-State Reverb unit.
> > > >
> > > > I'd only use the solid-state one if both the other units were
> down.
> > > To my very demanding ear, the difference in quality of reverb,
> > > springiness, and tone between the brown and sliverface units is
> > > extremely minor. Both units have been recently refurbed, but no
> > > modifications made so they are 99.99% as they came from the
> factory.
> > > >
> > > > If I rate the brown unit at "10", the silverface unit gets a
> solid
> > > "9", and the solid-state unit "7 to 7.5".
> > > >
> > > > Reverb is our friend.
> > > >
> > > > Bruce D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mono_tones_1 <rockverb@h...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Silverface reverb tanks are completly different from blacface.
> you
> > > > can look up the schematics at schematicheavendotcom. as far as
> i can
> > > > tell it uses a different reverb transformer too, so it would
> be very
> > > > hard to convert.
> > > > What i have read about them they don't sound nearly as good as
> > > > 6G15's, but then again, there is a lot of bs on the web. I
> have never
> > > > heard one personally.
> > > > Listen to it, and if you like what you hear go for it, as long
> as you
> > > > don't expect it sound like a 6g15 (unless of course it does
> already)
> > > > I have seen them put up on ebay for vintage pricess, but don't
> know
> > > > whether they were sold ...
> > > >
> > > > good luck
> > > > WR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "Rodney Fraser"
> <rfraser@i...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Saw a SF reverb tank in shop yesterday, there hasn't been
> much
> > > > discussion on the BF vs SF merits regarding the tanks,so has
> anyone
> > > > got opinions ? Has there been a blind fold test yet ? Would a
> new RI
> > > > tank be preferable to a SF one in good condition ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Last week I listened to:
> > > > > A Few Guitars More - the Morricone comp, very good
> > > > > The Astronauts - Surfin' with/ Everthinfg is A-OK , hey its
> Baja in
> > > > its orginal glory,good fun
> > > > > Mulchmen - Louder Than Dirt,Thicker than Mud - great
> title,some
> > > > good, some not so.
> > > > >
> > > > > This week it is
> > > > > Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir - that sweet strat sound,very good
> > > > > The Eliminators - Unleashed - class act,excellent sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > and also I've been listening to Marty Tippens practice what
> he
> > > > preaches
> > > > >
> > > > > The Fabulous Planktones - Live at the Sinbad - terrific
> songs,
> > > > just fabulous !!
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW How do the modern day Exotics stand in the group
> ratings ? Any
> > > > one got their "Go-Go Guitars" ?
> > > > >
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