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On my epic long flight home Sunday after being bumped from two previous
flights I struggled with how I would review this show without sounding like
a total toolbag, but you know what, I'm just gonna go for it.
First off, I want to thank The Infrareds and most notably Rory for picking
me up at the airport and playing host for my visit. I first met Rory widely
on accident about 5 or 6 years ago when I clicked "next site" off someones
"Cowabunga Webring" link and landed on The Infrareds webpage. I liked the
sample, ordered the disk, liked it enough to contact the email and we've
been friends ever since. Truly great humans and an even better band. I
consider their album "Recorded on Microfilm" to be ESSENTIAL listening for
GOOD surf thats been released within the last 25 years. It was also great to
see some old friends like Jeff BigTikiDude and Clint and his wife. All of my
memories with these people are fond ones, and its an enjoyment to add more
of those memories to the proverbial collection. I also got to meet Ran
Mossesco and Kristena Hernandez from the lists...not only did I get to meet
them, but we rocked our asses off in the first two rows together. I could
not cross paths with them for the next 20 years and one day when I do, all I
have to do is say "The Ghastly Ones" and we'll just smile and nod at each
other.
The Infrareds: As I said, I had been spending the weekend with Rory so I was
able to see the bands routine for preparing for a show. We got to the club
which, as Jeff had mentioned, probably wouldn't have been the best venue as
it seemed to be rooted firmly in the epicenter of the Los Angeles Vietnamese
community. Just very out-of-the-way for a surf show like this, but I've
learned never to underestimate the "huh?"-factor of a surf-supportive venue.
The Infrareds went on first to a pretty mediorce crowd. I think timing was
their enemy as most people who finished the night there had yet to show up.
Now Jeff mentioned they were slow...personally, I think their speed was
great because I was able to really hear what Rory was doing. Rory has the
ability to double pick so fast that a lot of nuances and technique gets lost
at the machine-gun fervor he plays his guitar with in a live setting.
I like to own a band's album, and then go see it happen live. To really
appreciate what The Infrareds are doing, one should own and be familiar with
their stuff. There's no "Mr. Moto" here. All in all it was a great
performance. Truly impressed. It's definitely the fastest double picking
I've ever seen.
Next up was The Volcanics. The Nebulas played with these guys when we toured
cali back in...whenever. They were nice as hell and came up to me before the
show to say hi, and boy did I feel like a jackhole when I couldn't remember
which one was Benny and which one was Frankie. Oh well, after openly
admitting it, we were reunited again! They've since added a rhythm guitar
(excellent move...rhythm guitar players rule.) and the sound really fills
out. They bring a MOB with them when they come out and play and it really
drives others to get down on the floor and participate in the fray. A great
performance which was punctuated by me haunting the Ghastly Ones merch table
and trying to understand what The Ghastly Ones go-go ghoul dancer was trying
to say to me. Oh well. (She did no rump-shaking this night)
The Ghastly Ones started setting up their stuff, and you know, it just gave
me goosebumps to see the bass drum head say "The Ghastly Ones". I never
thought I would ever have the chance to see these guys perform again. They
set up, and like a good gear-weenie I started scouting their equipment.
Garrett the lead guitar player had a blond Bandmaster...and then I saw it.
A strat.*
I cringed. "It can't be!" I thought. The Ghastlies are KNOWN for their
Mosrite sound...how can this be??? 3000 miles for strat-surf!? Oh my ears,
they bleed! The upside was I did see a FuzzRite on the floor. OK, things are
looking up. A deep sigh, and I moved towards the drums. Norman was setting
his stuff up, a vintage Ludwig 4 piece with an 18" bass drum. One ride
cymbal, one crash, one high hat. Now I had never seen the Ghastlies in real
life, but Norman is about 6'3. Probably the only person in the room who
could kick his ass was Jeff BigTikiDude. Its a funny contrast to see Norman
playing this tiny drum kit, but you know what? It worked, and did it ever. I
didn't scout the bass rig because, well...who cares?
They opened with Action Squad, and the place just WENT OFF. It was like a
surf bomb went off. The entire floor in front of the band just erupted.
Norman is basically the frontman for the band and does all the talking as
well as all the voices you hear on the album, and he has a charismatic way
of just drawing everyone in when he goofs on the mic. The band started down
their set list, and were just firing. Here are the songs I remember hearing,
in no order resembling how they played them:
Action Squad
Diabolos Theme
Thunderhead (encore, at Ran's request)
Ghastly Stomp (encore)
Haulin' Hearse
Mysterion
Spookmaster
Surfin' Spooks
and the one that was just gangbusters, Los Campiones Del Justicio
Most everyone knew the spanish wrestler names sung during the song, so the
entire crowd was yelling them when the part came. I yelled myself hoarse by
the end of that one.
They were wearing long sleeve purple dress shirts with black crushed velvet
vests, black pants, black leather shoes and the most badass Iron Cross
necklaces with the number "13" mounted in front of the cross, followed by
their signature tophats. They had set up blue/green lights facing up at them
and made ample use of a fog machine.
In summary, they sounded EXACTLY as they would on the album, with the
absence of the organ. It always blows me away how subtle and low-key these
bands are when they play. I guess the music creates this image of intense
concentration, but Garrett just stood there, exerted no obvious strain, and
just gazed out at the crowd and smiled at people he knew, all the while
pegging these parts perfectly. It was an incredible show, and the highlight
came when I tried to use an Infrareds beer ticket to buy a Sam Adams, and
the bartendress said "You can't use a ticket with Sam Adams, its not
domestic."
This struck me as funny, because back in Boston I live two blocks from the
Sam Adams brewery.
"Oh really? I bet its more domestic than you are!" I yelled. I love too-loud
house music.
It was one of the top 5 shows I have ever attended. If you have the chance,
you gotta see it. Just AWESOME.
-Dano
*Please don't flame me for my opinions of the Strat. IMHO there are only a
couple of people who can pull off strat surf and have it sound good. Ivan of
The Madeira and/or The Space Cossacks is one. Why cheat a blues band out of
a guitar? Play a Jag, JM or Mosrite.
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Brian Neal" <>
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To:
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ghastly Ones/Volcanics/Infrareds short review
from last Sat.
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:24:28 -0000
Jeff,
As always, thanks so much for the show reports. It really helps
us "geographically challenged" folks to hear how things went first
hand. I'm hoping Kristena, Ran, and Dano can chime in too!
You got me very interested in The Volcanics too. I'm eager to hear
what they cook up.
Best,
BN
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>
> *Please don't flame me for my opinions of the Strat. IMHO there are
only a
> couple of people who can pull off strat surf and have it sound good.
Ivan of
> The Madeira and/or The Space Cossacks is one. Why cheat a blues band
out of
> a guitar? Play a Jag, JM or Mosrite.
HA! That's hilarious! You're a lucky guy Dano, I would have loved to
have seen those 3 bands.
Bill
www.reluctantaquanauts.com
Dano!!!!
Wow, what a great review!!! Thanks for taking the time to write that
up. Sounds like a great show!
Hope to see you in person this summer in Indy and Chicago...are you
going to see Satan's Pilgrims?
BN
--- In , "-=Dan Ware=-" <reverbtank@h...>
wrote:
> The Ghastly Ones
>
> The Infrareds
>
> The Volcanics
>
[...]
--- In , "-=Dan Ware=-"
<reverbtank@h...> wrote:
Dano, an awesome review of an apparently fantastic event! Thanks so
much for the detail description, I also greatly appreciate it.
But...
> *Please don't flame me for my opinions of the Strat. IMHO there are
only a
> couple of people who can pull off strat surf and have it sound
good. Ivan of
> The Madeira and/or The Space Cossacks is one. Why cheat a blues
band out of
> a guitar? Play a Jag, JM or Mosrite.
I'm of course honored by your compliment, but as a Strat afficianado,
I feel I must rise to the defense of that most perfect of all
instruments! Here's a list of other guys that I think we would all
agree got a pretty good Strat surf tone:
First Wave:
Dick Dale
Jim Messina
Brian Carman & Bob Spickard (The Chantays)
Paul Johnson & Eddie Bertrand (the Belairs)
Al Nichol (The Crossfires)
Skip Mercier & Willy Glover (The Pyramids)
Jim Fuller (The Surfaris)
Jim Skiathitis & Theo Penglis (The Atlantics)
Modern:
John Blair
Gregg Hunt (The Bomboras)
Rip Thrillby (he started using the Jag more in the last year or two,
but for a long time before that an MIM Strat was his baby)
Eddie Angel
Miles Corbin (The Aqua Velvets)
Michael Sellers (Langhorns)
Shigeo Naki (of course not all the time, but more than occasionally)
Rick Mills (The Volcanos) - before the Jazzmaster
I'm sure there are more, those are the only ones I can think of off
the top of my head. So, I'd say there are quite a few examples of a
good Strat surf tone...
Just had to point this out. Thanks.
Ivan
When Dave Wronski uses the strat is sounds good as does Pollo Del
Mar's use of strats. And it is Naka not Naki.
Personally I hate playing strats. I can't get the sound I want out of
them. Some people can do it.
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "-=Dan Ware=-"
> <reverbtank@h...> wrote:
>
> Dano, an awesome review of an apparently fantastic event! Thanks so
> much for the detail description, I also greatly appreciate it.
>
> But...
>
> > *Please don't flame me for my opinions of the Strat. IMHO there are
> only a
> > couple of people who can pull off strat surf and have it sound
> good. Ivan of
> > The Madeira and/or The Space Cossacks is one. Why cheat a blues
> band out of
> > a guitar? Play a Jag, JM or Mosrite.
>
> I'm of course honored by your compliment, but as a Strat afficianado,
> I feel I must rise to the defense of that most perfect of all
> instruments! Here's a list of other guys that I think we would all
> agree got a pretty good Strat surf tone:
>
> First Wave:
> Dick Dale
> Jim Messina
> Brian Carman & Bob Spickard (The Chantays)
> Paul Johnson & Eddie Bertrand (the Belairs)
> Al Nichol (The Crossfires)
> Skip Mercier & Willy Glover (The Pyramids)
> Jim Fuller (The Surfaris)
> Jim Skiathitis & Theo Penglis (The Atlantics)
>
> Modern:
> John Blair
> Gregg Hunt (The Bomboras)
> Rip Thrillby (he started using the Jag more in the last year or two,
> but for a long time before that an MIM Strat was his baby)
> Eddie Angel
> Miles Corbin (The Aqua Velvets)
> Michael Sellers (Langhorns)
> Shigeo Naki (of course not all the time, but more than occasionally)
> Rick Mills (The Volcanos) - before the Jazzmaster
>
> I'm sure there are more, those are the only ones I can think of off
> the top of my head. So, I'd say there are quite a few examples of a
> good Strat surf tone...
>
> Just had to point this out. Thanks.
> Ivan
By the way if anybody has a strat for free I will take it. I want to
do Shigeo Naka/Dave Wronski mod and put a Jaguar/Jazzmaster trem on one.
--- In , "Jacob Dobner"
<jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
> When Dave Wronski uses the strat is sounds good as does Pollo Del
> Mar's use of strats. And it is Naka not Naki.
>
> Personally I hate playing strats. I can't get the sound I want out of
> them. Some people can do it.
>
> --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , "-=Dan Ware=-"
> > <reverbtank@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Dano, an awesome review of an apparently fantastic event! Thanks so
> > much for the detail description, I also greatly appreciate it.
> >
> > But...
> >
> > > *Please don't flame me for my opinions of the Strat. IMHO there are
> > only a
> > > couple of people who can pull off strat surf and have it sound
> > good. Ivan of
> > > The Madeira and/or The Space Cossacks is one. Why cheat a blues
> > band out of
> > > a guitar? Play a Jag, JM or Mosrite.
> >
> > I'm of course honored by your compliment, but as a Strat afficianado,
> > I feel I must rise to the defense of that most perfect of all
> > instruments! Here's a list of other guys that I think we would all
> > agree got a pretty good Strat surf tone:
> >
> > First Wave:
> > Dick Dale
> > Jim Messina
> > Brian Carman & Bob Spickard (The Chantays)
> > Paul Johnson & Eddie Bertrand (the Belairs)
> > Al Nichol (The Crossfires)
> > Skip Mercier & Willy Glover (The Pyramids)
> > Jim Fuller (The Surfaris)
> > Jim Skiathitis & Theo Penglis (The Atlantics)
> >
> > Modern:
> > John Blair
> > Gregg Hunt (The Bomboras)
> > Rip Thrillby (he started using the Jag more in the last year or two,
> > but for a long time before that an MIM Strat was his baby)
> > Eddie Angel
> > Miles Corbin (The Aqua Velvets)
> > Michael Sellers (Langhorns)
> > Shigeo Naki (of course not all the time, but more than occasionally)
> > Rick Mills (The Volcanos) - before the Jazzmaster
> >
> > I'm sure there are more, those are the only ones I can think of off
> > the top of my head. So, I'd say there are quite a few examples of a
> > good Strat surf tone...
> >
> > Just had to point this out. Thanks.
> > Ivan
IMO I think Eddie Bertrand's best stuff was recorded on the Jaguar,
and I could piece together an arguement towards Gregg Hunt's early
Finks stuff. But I don't really give a shit to argue about what
guitar is better.
I do agree with Dano tho. So many non-surf bands use Strats that
I'd rather see surf bands playing something other than a
Stratocaster. God forbid you be a little different. But, doesn't
it all come down to what's most comfortable to you? In my case the
Strat isn't as comfortable as the Jaguar.
Oh yeah another thing I dislike about the Strat. There are so many
SHITTY versions of this guitar out there, and sadly a majority of
them are made by Fender. I hope Fender doesn't go screwing with the
Jaguar and Jazzmaster.
Bill
www.reluctantaquanauts.com
> Dano, an awesome review of an apparently fantastic event! Thanks
so
> much for the detail description, I also greatly appreciate it.
>
> But...
>
> > *Please don't flame me for my opinions of the Strat. IMHO there
are
> only a
> > couple of people who can pull off strat surf and have it sound
> good. Ivan of
> > The Madeira and/or The Space Cossacks is one. Why cheat a blues
> band out of
> > a guitar? Play a Jag, JM or Mosrite.
>
> I'm of course honored by your compliment, but as a Strat
afficianado,
> I feel I must rise to the defense of that most perfect of all
> instruments! Here's a list of other guys that I think we would
all
> agree got a pretty good Strat surf tone:
>
> First Wave:
> Dick Dale
> Jim Messina
> Brian Carman & Bob Spickard (The Chantays)
> Paul Johnson & Eddie Bertrand (the Belairs)
> Al Nichol (The Crossfires)
> Skip Mercier & Willy Glover (The Pyramids)
> Jim Fuller (The Surfaris)
> Jim Skiathitis & Theo Penglis (The Atlantics)
>
> Modern:
> John Blair
> Gregg Hunt (The Bomboras)
> Rip Thrillby (he started using the Jag more in the last year or
two,
> but for a long time before that an MIM Strat was his baby)
> Eddie Angel
> Miles Corbin (The Aqua Velvets)
> Michael Sellers (Langhorns)
> Shigeo Naki (of course not all the time, but more than
occasionally)
> Rick Mills (The Volcanos) - before the Jazzmaster
>
> I'm sure there are more, those are the only ones I can think of
off
> the top of my head. So, I'd say there are quite a few examples of
a
> good Strat surf tone...
>
> Just had to point this out. Thanks.
> Ivan
Wow! Thanks for the great show review, Dano!
*droooool*
-Dick
Brian--there ya go! I won't bother writing anything because it would
just be repetitive. I will post pics, though. It's a good review. I
like Dan's choice of words: "machine-gun fervor." That about sums up the
Rory's gutar playing.
-K
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:24:44 -0000 "Brian Neal" <>
writes:
>
>
> Dano!!!!
>
> Wow, what a great review!!! Thanks for taking the time to write
> that
> up. Sounds like a great show!
>
> Hope to see you in person this summer in Indy and Chicago...are you
> going to see Satan's Pilgrims?
>
> BN
--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> IMO I think Eddie Bertrand's best stuff was recorded on the Cougar,
How can you tell the difference between a Strat and a Jag on his
stuff? I don't think I can.
> and I could piece together an arguement towards Gregg Hunt's early
> Finks stuff.
I was just listening to the Finks this weekend, and then I popped in
Savage Island by the Bomboras, which I hadn't listented to in quite a
while. I'm a huge fan of the later Bomboras stuff, but I forgot how
good Savage Island is, too. It appears that you prefer the Finks
stuff. I find it hard to understand how you could say that Gregg's
Finks playing is better than in the Bomboras but it's OK, we can all
have our own opinions. For what it's worth, though I enjoy the
Finks, to me they always sound as though they just were just trying
to copy rather than create. They're lacking in character, whereas
both the Bomboras and the Huntington Cads had character in oodles.
You KNEW it was these bands when you heard them and I can't say that
about the Finks. But I suspect that we'll just have to agree to
disagree...
> But I don't really give a shit to argue about what guitar is better.
Gosh, Bill, I sense a bit of hostility. What's up?
> I do agree with Dano tho. So many non-surf bands use Strats that
> I'd rather see surf bands playing something other than a
> Stratocaster. God forbid you be a little different.
Umm, when did I ever recommend that any bands stop using
Jags/Jazzmasters? Nope, did no such thing. In fact, it seems to me
that those two guitars are much more common among today's surf bands
than the Strat. That's the only thing that I'm trying to resist -
the idea that one can't play good sounding surf music on a Strat.
> But, doesn't
> it all come down to what's most comfortable to you?
It ABSOLUTELY does!
> In my case the Strat isn't as comfortable as the Jaguar.
No problemo.
Listen, I think you misunderstood what I meant. I LOVE seeing surf
bands with Jazzmasters and Jaguars! Love both guitars (well, the Jag
never felt right to me, but I don't hold that against the guitar),
and love their tones (in the right hands - Randy Holden, Eddie
Bertrand, it's a long, long list). Having the offsets in the band
definitely does signal that you're a Surf Band. But I also sense an
effort from some people to somehow smear the Strat as a valid surf
guitar. I just want to make sure that the Strat keeps its rightful
position among the three, that's all.
Let Fender rule.
Ivan
--- -=Dan Ware=- <> wrote:
> I didn't scout the bass rig because, well...who
cares?
Woah HOAH there! Screw what he thinks about Strats.
I think I'm gonna have to challenge Dano to a duel the
next time I'm in Boston. You, sir, have insulted my
honor...
Richard
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> How can you tell the difference between a Strat and a Jag on his
> stuff? I don't think I can.
Well first nothing is 100% But....
I've listened to the Showmen a lot, in-fact we really studied some
of Eddie's tones in-depth when we recorded. We really had nothing
better to do :) and got a little crazy with it. But it was rather
fun. We specter analized some of the high end stuff on the Showmen
CD and then matched the specters up on our tracks(these aren't on
the final album, but we thought we'd try it anyway. I think if you
have the technology why not play around?). Oddly enough, the first
thing Zak Izbinsky and Gregg Hunt told me when they heard our
recordings was, "sounds kinda like Eddie Bertrand."
Ever listen to the descending riff Eddie plays on Dark Eyes? I
really think that's a Jag with flatwounds. Our producer though,
Eddie may have had a second line going to the board, because it's so
thuddy and clear. But really I think that's what a Jaguar with
flats through a Dual Showman sounds like.
Squad Car, Scratch and Mr. Rebel all sound like a Jaguar when
compared to We Are The Young, and when you listen to the other vocal
tracks the Showmen were doing at the time We Are the Young was
recorded, which by the way sound like a Strat, you can compare those
tones to the tones on We Are the Young, and things start to match
up.
Doug Hensen also told me so, he was there! So there!!! :P
> I was just listening to the Finks this weekend, and then I popped
in
> Savage Island by the Bomboras, which I hadn't listented to in
quite a
> while. I'm a huge fan of the later Bomboras stuff, but I forgot
how
> good Savage Island is, too. It appears that you prefer the Finks
> stuff. I find it hard to understand how you could say that
Gregg's
> Finks playing is better than in the Bomboras but it's OK, we can
all
> have our own opinions. For what it's worth, though I enjoy the
> Finks, to me they always sound as though they just were just
trying
> to copy rather than create. They're lacking in character, whereas
> both the Bomboras and the Huntington Cads had character in
oodles.
> You KNEW it was these bands when you heard them and I can't say
that
> about the Finks. But I suspect that we'll just have to agree to
> disagree...
Hmmm, I wouldn't say the Finks were better than the Bomboras. I
think I prefer the Bomboras, but I also wouldn't say they were
better than the Finks. As for lacking character, I couldn't
disagree with you more. Just by looking at the cover of Fill'er Up
and Go, reading the liner notes and listening to that Lo-Fi
recording you can really hear some magic that those first wave surf
bands had. It's actually slightly romantic when you thikn about
it. I really like my trad. looking and sounding surf bands, and I
think those have more character than some of these foogies in t-
shirts I see in surf bands. But this all depends on how you define
character, it sounds like you're talking about distinguishing
someones sound from other bands. Some rather shitty bands have
character in that regard.
> Gosh, Bill, I sense a bit of hostility. What's up?
Nothing is "up" that didn't mean to come off as hostile. Why beat
our brains out arguing our personal preferences? That's all my point
was.
> Umm, when did I ever recommend that any bands stop using
> Jags/Jazzmasters? Nope, did no such thing. In fact, it seems to
me
> that those two guitars are much more common among today's surf
bands
> than the Strat. That's the only thing that I'm trying to resist -
> the idea that one can't play good sounding surf music on a Strat.
Hmmm, when did I say YOU said surf bands should stop using Jags/JMs?
I never said one can't play good sounding surf on a Strat. I think
Jim Messina and Dick Dale proved that in the 60s, and Gregg Hunt did
in the 90s.
> Listen, I think you misunderstood what I meant. I LOVE seeing
surf
> bands with Jazzmasters and Jaguars! Love both guitars (well, the
Jag
> never felt right to me, but I don't hold that against the guitar),
> and love their tones (in the right hands - Randy Holden, Eddie
> Bertrand, it's a long, long list). Having the offsets in the band
> definitely does signal that you're a Surf Band. But I also sense
an
> effort from some people to somehow smear the Strat as a valid surf
> guitar. I just want to make sure that the Strat keeps its
rightful
> position among the three, that's all.
>
> Let Fender rule.
> Ivan
Ha, well you sure take this argument personally. I shouldn't have
responded with an agreence to Dano's claim. It's really not ALL
that important now is it?!
Bill
www.reluctantaquanauts.com
I'm with Ivan, the Strat is the "most perfect of all instruments". Around here
we also like Rob Woolsey's playing on the strat. R-Dub has attempted the
Jazzmaster but he always comes back to the strat.
The funniest thing is that I have a large handful of Mosrites but it was news to
me when Brian Neil recently mentioned that Mosrites have Gibson length necks. I
always ASSumed they were strat length 'cause the height of the cases are the
same. I think the shorter Mosrite scale has something to do with the fact that
they don't get the Strat snap. The strings will be slinkier on that shorter
scale. This is not to dis' the unique tone of the Mosrite which I do love.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: ipongrac
To:
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Viva California!!
--- In , "-=Dan Ware=-"
<reverbtank@h...> wrote:
Dano, an awesome review of an apparently fantastic event! Thanks so
much for the detail description, I also greatly appreciate it.
But...
> *Please don't flame me for my opinions of the Strat. IMHO there are
only a
> couple of people who can pull off strat surf and have it sound
good. Ivan of
> The Madeira and/or The Space Cossacks is one. Why cheat a blues
band out of
> a guitar? Play a Jag, JM or Mosrite.
I'm of course honored by your compliment, but as a Strat afficianado,
I feel I must rise to the defense of that most perfect of all
instruments! Here's a list of other guys that I think we would all
agree got a pretty good Strat surf tone:
First Wave:
Dick Dale
Jim Messina
Brian Carman & Bob Spickard (The Chantays)
Paul Johnson & Eddie Bertrand (the Belairs)
Al Nichol (The Crossfires)
Skip Mercier & Willy Glover (The Pyramids)
Jim Fuller (The Surfaris)
Jim Skiathitis & Theo Penglis (The Atlantics)
Modern:
John Blair
Gregg Hunt (The Bomboras)
Rip Thrillby (he started using the Jag more in the last year or two,
but for a long time before that an MIM Strat was his baby)
Eddie Angel
Miles Corbin (The Aqua Velvets)
Michael Sellers (Langhorns)
Shigeo Naki (of course not all the time, but more than occasionally)
Rick Mills (The Volcanos) - before the Jazzmaster
I'm sure there are more, those are the only ones I can think of off
the top of my head. So, I'd say there are quite a few examples of a
good Strat surf tone...
Just had to point this out. Thanks.
Ivan
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Long live the strat rats!!
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> I'm with Ivan, the Strat is the "most perfect of all instruments".
Around here we also like Rob Woolsey's playing on the strat. R-Dub has attempted
the Jazzmaster but he always comes back to the strat. <BR>
> <BR>
> The funniest thing is that I have a large handful of Mosrites but it was news
to me when Brian Neil recently mentioned that Mosrites have Gibson length necks.
I always ASSumed they were strat length 'cause the height of the cases are the
same. I think the shorter Mosrite scale has something to do with the fact that
they don't get the Strat snap. The strings will be slinkier on that shorter
scale. This is not to dis' the unique tone of the Mosrite which I do love. <BR>
> <BR>
> -Marty<BR>
> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
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> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Viva California!!<BR>
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> --- In , "-=Dan Ware=-" <BR>
> <reverbtank@h...> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Dano, an awesome review of an apparently fantastic event! Thanks
so <BR>
> much for the detail description, I also greatly appreciate it.
<BR>
> <BR>
> But...<BR>
> <BR>
> > *Please don't flame me for my opinions of the Strat. IMHO there
are <BR>
> only a <BR>
> > couple of people who can pull off strat surf and have it sound
<BR>
> good. Ivan of <BR>
> > The Madeira and/or The Space Cossacks is one. Why cheat a blues
<BR>
> band out of <BR>
> > a guitar? Play a Jag, JM or Mosrite.<BR>
> <BR>
> I'm of course honored by your compliment, but as a Strat afficianado,
<BR>
> I feel I must rise to the defense of that most perfect of all <BR>
> instruments! Here's a list of other guys that I think we would
all <BR>
> agree got a pretty good Strat surf tone:<BR>
> <BR>
> First Wave:<BR>
> Dick Dale<BR>
> Jim Messina<BR>
> Brian Carman & Bob Spickard (The Chantays)<BR>
> Paul Johnson & Eddie Bertrand (the Belairs)<BR>
> Al Nichol (The Crossfires)<BR>
> Skip Mercier & Willy Glover (The Pyramids)<BR>
> Jim Fuller (The Surfaris)<BR>
> Jim Skiathitis & Theo Penglis (The Atlantics)<BR>
> <BR>
> Modern:<BR>
> John Blair<BR>
> Gregg Hunt (The Bomboras)<BR>
> Rip Thrillby (he started using the Jag more in the last year or two,
<BR>
> but for a long time before that an MIM Strat was his baby)<BR>
> Eddie Angel<BR>
> Miles Corbin (The Aqua Velvets)<BR>
> Michael Sellers (Langhorns)<BR>
> Shigeo Naki (of course not all the time, but more than
occasionally)<BR>
> Rick Mills (The Volcanos) - before the Jazzmaster<BR>
> <BR>
> I'm sure there are more, those are the only ones I can think of off
<BR>
> the top of my head. So, I'd say there are quite a few examples of
a <BR>
> good Strat surf tone...<BR>
> <BR>
> Just had to point this out. Thanks.<BR>
> Ivan<BR>
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What a great night it was!
I was very excited about this show, and I wasn't disappointed. As always,
I'm a late replier to the posts, so I don't have too much to add to Jeff's
and Dano's reviews, but before that I want to mention how glad I was to see
fellow list members, and especialy Dano who flew 3000 miles(!) for this gig.
Unfortunately, conflicting schedules prevented me from hanging out with Rory
and Dano before the gig.
Anyhow, Dale and I arrived early at the venue, which was almost empty aside
from some locals. We headed out to the Bahooka (a cool historic
Tiki/nautical restaurant), where we were joined by Jeff and Kristena. With
perfect timing we got back to the club, as the Infrareds started playing a
couple of minutes later.
The sound at the venue was less than ideal, but it didn't stop the Infrareds
from delivering their high energy set. I'm already a fan of theirs, and I
know all the songs, so I'm not objective, but I looked at the crowd and it
seemed a lot of people were digging what they heard. In addition to material
from their last 2 albums, they also played a song I know as "Asphalt Eater"
that I heard on the Bomboras' "Organ Grinder" live album.
I used the break between bands to buy a Ghastly Ones shirt and demo cd,
which proved to be a wise decision, considering they were sold out not much
later.
It was the first time I've seen the Volcanics, and I was impressed by
Benny's ability sing lead vocals and furiously drum at the same time. As
much as I prefer instrumentals, I enjoyed the the vocal numbers. The
Volcanics were using a Jag for lead and a Jazzmaster for rhythm as far as I
could see. They had some choreographed moves which looked good, and went
well with the v-neck sweaters/skinny ties look.
Among the excellent trad surf numbers that they played, they did a ripping
cover of "Everybody Up".
After the Volcanics show I pushed my way to the front and waited eagerly for
Ghastly Ones set up. I was, too, a little disappointed to see a Strat (I
share Dano's opinion about them, but lets not discuss it, please), but was
somewhat relieved to see the Moserite. Anyway, to add to Dano's gear
description, Kevin the bass player was playing a Danelectro longhorn into
what looked like an Ampeg combo with diamond pattern tolex. They had the
"Lonesome Undertaker" bust as part of the stage props.
They played a mix of stuff from the "last" album, and the new demo cd-r.
In addition to what Dano mentioned they played:
Heartbeat, Draculon (I think), Banshee Beach, Cat on a Hot Foam Board,
Haulin' Hearse 2005, and 2 fuzz instros - Yuzo's Twist and Fuzzy & Wild. All
these are from the new demo cd-r. In Fuzzy & Wild Garrett wore a German WWI
helmet with an Iron Cross for a "biker" look. They also played "Everybody
Up" if I'm not mistaken.
Most of the songs were played on the Strat, but a few were played on the
Moserite. Garrett started with tons of reverb, but decreased the level after
a couple of songs, which I guess was necessary because of the room sound
characteristics. The FuzzRite sounded awsome.
BTW - the played "Ghastly Stomp" during the set, and "(Everybody's Doin')
The Ghastly Stomp" - the vocal number, as part of the encore. They weren't
planning on doing Thunderhead (one of my favorite songs), but after I yelled
it out, they obliged and did that as part of the encore.
It was tons of fun being in the front row, although the 2 drunk guys that
insisted on dancing inches away from the band (and trying to play the bass
guitar) were annoying. Of course it was only after they left and girls
started to dance in the front did 2 bouncers show up to "tame" the crowd.
To sum it up - indeed "Viva California". It felt great to finally be able to
see a band I missed out becasue I was living half-way around the world. I
used the opporunity to bug Gregg Hunt about a Bomboras reunion, and heard
that there might be something in the works, so if that happens, that's
another good reason to live here.
See ya'll at future gigs (Including Satan's Pilgrims)
Ran
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> I've listened to the Showmen a lot, in-fact we really studied some
> of Eddie's tones in-depth when we recorded. We really had nothing
> better to do :) and got a little crazy with it. But it was rather
> fun. We specter analized some of the high end stuff on the Showmen
Damn! I'm impressed...
> CD and then matched the specters up on our tracks(these aren't on
> the final album, but we thought we'd try it anyway. I think if you
> have the technology why not play around?). Oddly enough, the first
> thing Zak Izbinsky and Gregg Hunt told me when they heard our
> recordings was, "sounds kinda like Eddie Bertrand."
> Ever listen to the descending riff Eddie plays on Dark Eyes? I
> really think that's a Jag with flatwounds. Our producer though,
> Eddie may have had a second line going to the board, because it's
so
> thuddy and clear. But really I think that's what a Jaguar with
> flats through a Dual Showman sounds like.
>
> Squad Car, Scratch and Mr. Rebel all sound like a Jaguar when
> compared to We Are The Young, and when you listen to the other
vocal
> tracks the Showmen were doing at the time We Are the Young was
> recorded, which by the way sound like a Strat, you can compare
those
> tones to the tones on We Are the Young, and things start to match
> up.
Alright then. I'll take your word for it.
> Doug Hensen also told me so, he was there! So there!!! :P
What exactly did he tell you? Please share.
> Hmmm, I wouldn't say the Finks were better than the Bomboras. I
> think I prefer the Bomboras, but I also wouldn't say they were
> better than the Finks. As for lacking character, I couldn't
> disagree with you more. Just by looking at the cover of Fill'er Up
> and Go, reading the liner notes and listening to that Lo-Fi
> recording you can really hear some magic that those first wave surf
> bands had.
I really don't think that recording is lo-fi, but I'll totally agree
that they captured the authentic sixties sound. I just don't hear
much of THEIR personality in either the sound or the songwriting,
that's what I am saying. So, though it makes a very pleasent listen,
ultimately it's just too derivative for my taste. Something that I
would never say of the Bomboras or the Huntington Cads, both bands
being very original, as well as really damn good (especially the
Bomboras).
> It's actually slightly romantic when you thikn about
> it. I really like my trad. looking and sounding surf bands, and I
> think those have more character than some of these foogies in t-
> shirts I see in surf bands. But this all depends on how you define
> character, it sounds like you're talking about distinguishing
> someones sound from other bands. Some rather shitty bands have
> character in that regard.
Yes, I meant sound. And I don't mean simply sounding different for
its own sake - I mean being 'good different', if that makes any
sense. Bands that managed to allow their personality through and in
the process created something new that was still very much tied to
history and tradition of surf music. Put their own thumbprint on the
history of surf music.
If you're talking about image, maybe you can clear one thing up for
me: I remember very few sixties bands sporting the sweater look back
then. It seems that almost all of them would play in suits. So, it
always seemed to me that it's not quite accurate to wear cardigans if
you want the trad look. Given that your own band sports that look,
please explain to me your view on this. What am I missing?
> > Gosh, Bill, I sense a bit of hostility. What's up?
>
> Nothing is "up" that didn't mean to come off as hostile. Why beat
> our brains out arguing our personal preferences? That's all my
point was.
Fair enough. So, why did you respond to my post to tell us that you
prefer bands that use the offsets? I don't get it. If you didn't
want to beat your brain out, then you could have just said nothing,
right?
> Hmmm, when did I say YOU said surf bands should stop using Jags/JMs?
Well, when you said "God forbid you be a little different.",I
interpreted that in such a way. Sorry if I misunderstood.
> Ha, well you sure take this argument personally. I shouldn't have
> responded with an agreence to Dano's claim. It's really not ALL
> that important now is it?!
Believe me, Bill, I don't take this argument THAT personally! It's
not like I'm awake at night thinking about it. But, all of us spend
a lot of time around here discussing unbelievable minutae. None of
it is really that important, but it is often fun to air our opinions
and argue about them. It's not a big deal. But I have seen a
tendency among the more-trad minded folks (and I would definitely
consider myself a part of that crowd, though maybe not to the extent
that Bill and some others are), mainly on other lists, to bash the
Strat. It's cool, it won't make me cry, but hey, I'll stand up in
defense of the Strat's trad credentials. That's all that I was
trying to say. No need to get ourselves into a tizzy over it,
though!
Long live the Fender Holy Trinity!
Ivan
PS So, Bill, how do I get your CD? I don't know why I haven't
checked it out yet, gotta do it.
I like that, Strat Rats, I'm steeling it for a song title.
-Marty
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Long live the strat rats!!
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> I'm with Ivan, the Strat is the "most perfect of all instruments".
Around here we also like Rob Woolsey's playing on the strat. R-Dub has attempted
the Jazzmaster but he always comes back to the strat. <BR>
> <BR>
> The funniest thing is that I have a large handful of Mosrites but it was
news to me when Brian Neil recently mentioned that Mosrites have Gibson length
necks. I always ASSumed they were strat length 'cause the height of the cases
are the same. I think the shorter Mosrite scale has something to do with the
fact that they don't get the Strat snap. The strings will be slinkier on that
shorter scale. This is not to dis' the unique tone of the Mosrite which I do
love. <BR>
> <BR>
> -Marty<BR>
> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
> From: ipongrac <BR>
> To: <BR>
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:28 PM<BR>
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Viva California!!<BR>
> <BR>
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> --- In , "-=Dan Ware=-" <BR>
> <reverbtank@h...> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Dano, an awesome review of an apparently fantastic event!
Thanks so <BR>
> much for the detail description, I also greatly appreciate it.
<BR>
> <BR>
> But...<BR>
> <BR>
> > *Please don't flame me for my opinions of the Strat. IMHO there
are <BR>
> only a <BR>
> > couple of people who can pull off strat surf and have it sound
<BR>
> good. Ivan of <BR>
> > The Madeira and/or The Space Cossacks is one. Why cheat a blues
<BR>
> band out of <BR>
> > a guitar? Play a Jag, JM or Mosrite.<BR>
> <BR>
> I'm of course honored by your compliment, but as a Strat afficianado,
<BR>
> I feel I must rise to the defense of that most perfect of all <BR>
> instruments! Here's a list of other guys that I think we would
all <BR>
> agree got a pretty good Strat surf tone:<BR>
> <BR>
> First Wave:<BR>
> Dick Dale<BR>
> Jim Messina<BR>
> Brian Carman & Bob Spickard (The Chantays)<BR>
> Paul Johnson & Eddie Bertrand (the Belairs)<BR>
> Al Nichol (The Crossfires)<BR>
> Skip Mercier & Willy Glover (The Pyramids)<BR>
> Jim Fuller (The Surfaris)<BR>
> Jim Skiathitis & Theo Penglis (The Atlantics)<BR>
> <BR>
> Modern:<BR>
> John Blair<BR>
> Gregg Hunt (The Bomboras)<BR>
> Rip Thrillby (he started using the Jag more in the last year or two,
<BR>
> but for a long time before that an MIM Strat was his baby)<BR>
> Eddie Angel<BR>
> Miles Corbin (The Aqua Velvets)<BR>
> Michael Sellers (Langhorns)<BR>
> Shigeo Naki (of course not all the time, but more than
occasionally)<BR>
> Rick Mills (The Volcanos) - before the Jazzmaster<BR>
> <BR>
> I'm sure there are more, those are the only ones I can think of off
<BR>
> the top of my head. So, I'd say there are quite a few examples
of a <BR>
> good Strat surf tone...<BR>
> <BR>
> Just had to point this out. Thanks.<BR>
> Ivan<BR>
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> What exactly did he tell you? Please share.
Doug said Eddie used the Jag on all the early stuff, and had HEAVY
flats. He went on to explain that Larry Carlton was the guy who had
the lighter strings, and Rob Edwards was the greatest rhythm
guitarist he had ever played with. Hmmm, he told me a lot, and I
wish I had recorded our conversation. One interesting thing, he
said he stripped the black paint off his Jazz Bass in the 70s(sounds
like something a 1970s rocker with a Stratocaster would do :)) and
recently traded it for a American Standard Stratocaster(big
mistake). Not knowing how much his bass was worth. He used flats
and played with his fingers in the 60s, this was because he was a
flaminco guitarist to begin with.
> If you're talking about image, maybe you can clear one thing up
for
> me: I remember very few sixties bands sporting the sweater look
back
> then. It seems that almost all of them would play in suits. So,
it
> always seemed to me that it's not quite accurate to wear cardigans
if
> you want the trad look. Given that your own band sports that
look,
> please explain to me your view on this. What am I missing?
Well, I guess suits would be more correct, but who has money for
that? Certainly not us, and no suit made today off the rack looks
anything like it was from 1962. To have them made is very costly,
and we'd probably end up looking like a Beatle tribute haha. So we
get the sweaters for about 5 bucks each.
Ivan, YOU'RE kidding about the cardigans right? Ever catch an
episode of Ozzie and Harriet? Christ, Rick Nelson lived in cardigan
sweaters, and anytime his band would play at a frat party they'd be
in their cardigans. I've seen the Belairs in cardigans, the
Blazers, the Vulcanes, hell Sinatra wore one in Ocean's Eleven that
should be enough. So maybe we are going for a more tradition "layed
back" look.
We were arguing with our new rhythm guitarist the other day about a
song to submit for a cover comp. and Matt our bassist made a point,
and I never looked at it this way but he said, "From the beginning,
Bill
and I have tried to do this thing as if we only had the knowledge and
ability of a kid that knows nothing about music, before any British
bands sent us to 'Nam. That "kid" probably liked Rick Nelson and his
band, so he would naturally want to cover one of his numbers. That's
how I see it, anyway..." I think that would be a good way to put it.
So there you have it Ivan, the cardigans just fit. Next....
> Fair enough. So, why did you respond to my post to tell us that
you
> prefer bands that use the offsets? I don't get it. If you didn't
> want to beat your brain out, then you could have just said
nothing,
> right?
Uhh, PLEASE reread what I said huh? "I'd rather see surf bands
playing something OTHER than a
Stratocaster." How does this indicate I "prefer" bands that use
offsets?? I prefer seeing bands using offsets, because it's
different! However, I don't judge whether or not I'll like a band by
their guitar choice, but I'll take notice of someone who didn't pick
the most produced and copied guitar of all-time.
You're the one who got his panties in bunch and started rattling off
a list of Strat players who got "good strat tone."
> PS So, Bill, how do I get your CD? I don't know why I haven't
> checked it out yet, gotta do it.
$10.00 via Money Order, or $11.00 Pay Pal. Send an email to me for
exact details.
Bill
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> supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
>> Doug said Eddie used the Jag on all the early stuff, and had HEAVY
> flats. He went on to explain that Larry Carlton was the guy who
had
> the lighter strings, and Rob Edwards was the greatest rhythm
> guitarist he had ever played with. Hmmm, he told me a lot, and I
> wish I had recorded our conversation. One interesting thing, he
> said he stripped the black paint off his Jazz Bass in the 70s
(sounds
> like something a 1970s rocker with a Stratocaster would do :)) and
> recently traded it for a American Standard Stratocaster(big
> mistake). Not knowing how much his bass was worth. He used flats
> and played with his fingers in the 60s, this was because he was a
> flaminco guitarist to begin with.
Cool. Share more if you remember. Did you have a phone conversation
with him?
> Well, I guess suits would be more correct, but who has money for
> that? Certainly not us, and no suit made today off the rack looks
> anything like it was from 1962. To have them made is very costly,
> and we'd probably end up looking like a Beatle tribute haha. So we
> get the sweaters for about 5 bucks each.
Fair enough. though I'm surprised that you'll let something as
carnal, temporal and mundane as money stand in the way of achieving
the true trad nirvana! What's another couple of hundred bucks to be
thoroughly authentic? After all, just think about how much better
that Jag and the vintage reverb unit are going to sound when you have
the exact right look! ;)
(BTW, the Beatles suits were pretty distinctive looking, I don't
think you have to worry about looking like them if you get a sixties
style suit.)
> Ivan, YOU'RE kidding about the cardigans right?
Hey man, now who's getting his panties in bunch? I just said that
I've seen very FEW (not none) pictures of surf bands in cardigans.
But it seems to me the ones I did see all had a V-neck and tended to
be multi-color, with several 'fat lines' on them, if you know what I
mean. But I imagine those would be very difficult to find today...
> Uhh, PLEASE reread what I said huh? "I'd rather see surf bands
> playing something OTHER than a
> Stratocaster." How does this indicate I "prefer" bands that use
> offsets??
Sorry, it came out wrong. I didn't mean to imply that you
actually "prefer" bands playing offsets, not to worry...
> I prefer seeing bands using offsets, because it's
> different! However, I don't judge whether or not I'll like a band
by
> their guitar choice, but I'll take notice of someone who didn't
pick
> the most produced and copied guitar of all-time.
Bill, just admit it - you did the same thing I did. you simply HAD
TO ARGUE about which guitar YOU prefer! Acceptance is the first step
on the long road of therapy... I've accepted my foibles - won't you
accept yours? Then maybe we can be friends again.
> You're the one who got his panties in bunch and started rattling
off
> a list of Strat players who got "good strat tone."
Panties have been unbunched - but the Strat still rules. Without a
Strat - no surf music. Plain and simple. Now put that in your pipe
and smoke it!
> $10.00 via Money Order, or $11.00 Pay Pal. Send an email to me for
> exact details.
Well, I see no email address where to send it to. Why don't you
email ME with your PayPal name and I'll send the money for it.
Have a great, low-blood-pressure day!
Ivan
> Well, I see no email address where to send it to. Why don't you
> email ME with your PayPal name and I'll send the money for it.
>
> Have a great, low-blood-pressure day!
> Ivan
Yeah well Professor Kelp, I don't have yours either.
If you want one.
Email and request a Pay Pal order.
Thanks,
Bill
