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> --- Gavin Ehringer <gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> > Jazzmasters were usually the rhythm guitar of
> > choice in the original surf lineups
> > and are tonally more mellow and quite distinct from the
> > Jags.
I dunno if I buy that. I remember we had a discussion about this a
long time ago. I agree that Jags and JM's sound distinctly different,
but I don't know about Jazzmasters being more of a rhythm guitar. I'd
have to go flip through the Bob Dalley book again. There is certainly
nothing mellow about Frankie Blandino's (Fathoms) or Phantom Frank's
(Treble Spankers) tones (prominent Jazzmaster users). I think it's
debatable about what you saw more, Jags or Jazzmasters, in the 60's,
but I think the scales are tipped toward the Jazzmaster for the 90's
bands. But I'm probably wrong about that, if anything it's probably
50/50. A lot of bands had them both in varying roles. It might be kind
of fun (for a while) to make a list of all the bands and who played
what.
Ivan, did you ever play your Jazzmaster live in The Space Cossacks?
Any plans for The Madeira?
BN
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
wrote:
>
> > --- Gavin Ehringer <gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> > > Jazzmasters were usually the rhythm guitar of
> > > choice in the original surf lineups
> > > and are tonally more mellow and quite distinct from the
> > > Jags.
>
> I dunno if I buy that. I remember we had a discussion about this a
> long time ago. I agree that Jags and JM's sound distinctly
different,
> but I don't know about Jazzmasters being more of a rhythm guitar.
I'd
> have to go flip through the Bob Dalley book again. There is
certainly
> nothing mellow about Frankie Blandino's (Fathoms) or Phantom Frank's
> (Treble Spankers) tones (prominent Jazzmaster users). I think it's
> debatable about what you saw more, Jags or Jazzmasters, in the 60's,
> but I think the scales are tipped toward the Jazzmaster for the 90's
> bands. But I'm probably wrong about that, if anything it's probably
> 50/50. A lot of bands had them both in varying roles. It might be
kind
> of fun (for a while) to make a list of all the bands and who played
> what.
Also, Chris Barfield (The Huntington Cads, The Finks), Dalibor &
Dinko (The Bambi Molesters), Mikko (Laika & The Cosmonauts), Eddie of
the El Caminos, Davie Allan, all Jazzmaster using lead guitarists.
There are probably more.
I believe that Rich Fifield of the Astronauts was their lead
guitarist (the info on this is kinda hard to get, so I could be
wrong), and he's shown with a Jazzmaster in all the photos I know
of. So, I think there's a good case to be made that in fact the
Astronauts lead guitar sound is the sound of the Jazzmaster. And I
think for many people those guys define the tone of surf guitar.
> Ivan, did you ever play your Jazzmaster live in The Space Cossacks?
> Any plans for The Madeira?
I went out and bought my Jazzmaster after playing the Cossacks did a
show with the Fathoms in late '96. I was just blown away by
Frankie's sound. I used that Jazzmaster to record probably about a
third of the songs by the Space Cossacks (including Solaris Stomp).
I also always played it live once I got it, alternating between a
Strat and a Jazzmaster. For the Madeira, though, I'm going for the
pure Strat sound. For me it's really about DD and the Atlantics
(with a bit of Hank Marvin), and my ideal is to combine those guitar
tones into my own. I do love to play my Jazzmaster still, and it
might find its way onto the album, we'll see...
Ivan
Shigeo plays a Jazzmaster as does Steve from the Cocktail Preachers.
It should be noted that Steve's is a custom made DeCola guitar but it
is still a Jazzmaster. I just remembered Mel from the Mel-Tones, Mach
IV, and Meshugga Beach Party uses one as well.
I play a Jag for Rhythm. It doesn't make a horrible sound.
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > --- Gavin Ehringer <gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> > > > Jazzmasters were usually the rhythm guitar of
> > > > choice in the original surf lineups
> > > > and are tonally more mellow and quite distinct from the
> > > > Jags.
> >
> > I dunno if I buy that. I remember we had a discussion about this a
> > long time ago. I agree that Jags and JM's sound distinctly
> different,
> > but I don't know about Jazzmasters being more of a rhythm guitar.
> I'd
> > have to go flip through the Bob Dalley book again. There is
> certainly
> > nothing mellow about Frankie Blandino's (Fathoms) or Phantom Frank's
> > (Treble Spankers) tones (prominent Jazzmaster users). I think it's
> > debatable about what you saw more, Jags or Jazzmasters, in the 60's,
> > but I think the scales are tipped toward the Jazzmaster for the 90's
> > bands. But I'm probably wrong about that, if anything it's probably
> > 50/50. A lot of bands had them both in varying roles. It might be
> kind
> > of fun (for a while) to make a list of all the bands and who played
> > what.
>
> Also, Chris Barfield (The Huntington Cads, The Finks), Dalibor &
> Dinko (The Bambi Molesters), Mikko (Laika & The Cosmonauts), Eddie of
> the El Caminos, Davie Allan, all Jazzmaster using lead guitarists.
> There are probably more.
>
> I believe that Rich Fifield of the Astronauts was their lead
> guitarist (the info on this is kinda hard to get, so I could be
> wrong), and he's shown with a Jazzmaster in all the photos I know
> of. So, I think there's a good case to be made that in fact the
> Astronauts lead guitar sound is the sound of the Jazzmaster. And I
> think for many people those guys define the tone of surf guitar.
>
> > Ivan, did you ever play your Jazzmaster live in The Space Cossacks?
> > Any plans for The Madeira?
>
> I went out and bought my Jazzmaster after playing the Cossacks did a
> show with the Fathoms in late '96. I was just blown away by
> Frankie's sound. I used that Jazzmaster to record probably about a
> third of the songs by the Space Cossacks (including Solaris Stomp).
> I also always played it live once I got it, alternating between a
> Strat and a Jazzmaster. For the Madeira, though, I'm going for the
> pure Strat sound. For me it's really about DD and the Atlantics
> (with a bit of Hank Marvin), and my ideal is to combine those guitar
> tones into my own. I do love to play my Jazzmaster still, and it
> might find its way onto the album, we'll see...
>
> Ivan
I've owned both. I prefer the Jaguar, that being said I prefer the
25.5 scale on my Telecaster and Stratocaster. So why the Jaguar?
IMO it seems to work better with the Jazzmaster trem. Also, for
surf I like to used 12 or 13s flats and the 24 inch scale really
allows you to push those heavier strings around a bit more(think of
Eddie Bertrand on "Scratch"). I used a stock CIJ Jaguar on our
first album for EVERYTHING.
I have trouble sometimes telling the difference sonically between
the Jazzmaster and the Jaguar. On a recording it's REALLY tough to
distinguish those two from each other. I can tell a Strat or Tele
apart, but not the two off-sets.
They both make great lead guitars. But, I could probably list more
Jaguar lead players than Jazzmaster. I did trade my only Jazzmaster
for a 2nd Jaguar. If I could afford it I would still have a
Jazzmaster.
Bill
www.reluctantaquanauts.com
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
wrote:
>
> > --- Gavin Ehringer <gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> > > Jazzmasters were usually the rhythm guitar of
> > > choice in the original surf lineups
> > > and are tonally more mellow and quite distinct from the
> > > Jags.
>
> I dunno if I buy that. I remember we had a discussion about this a
> long time ago. I agree that Jags and JM's sound distinctly
different,
> but I don't know about Jazzmasters being more of a rhythm guitar.
I'd
> have to go flip through the Bob Dalley book again. There is
certainly
> nothing mellow about Frankie Blandino's (Fathoms) or Phantom
Frank's
> (Treble Spankers) tones (prominent Jazzmaster users). I think it's
> debatable about what you saw more, Jags or Jazzmasters, in the
60's,
> but I think the scales are tipped toward the Jazzmaster for the
90's
> bands. But I'm probably wrong about that, if anything it's probably
> 50/50. A lot of bands had them both in varying roles. It might be
kind
> of fun (for a while) to make a list of all the bands and who played
> what.
>
> Ivan, did you ever play your Jazzmaster live in The Space Cossacks?
> Any plans for The Madeira?
>
> BN
You'll note, I said Jazzes were usually the preference of the rhythm players in
vintage surf
bands - as for what folks use them for now, that's a different story. Elvis
Costello used a
Jazzmaster, I believe. I think they make fine lead or rhythm guitars, and to be
honest, most
players do some of both, no?
Gavin
--- In , "Jacob Dobner" <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
> Shigeo plays a Jazzmaster as does Steve from the Cocktail Preachers.
> It should be noted that Steve's is a custom made DeCola guitar but it
> is still a Jazzmaster. I just remembered Mel from the Mel-Tones, Mach
> IV, and Meshugga Beach Party uses one as well.
>
> I play a Jag for Rhythm. It doesn't make a horrible sound.
>
> --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- Gavin Ehringer <gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> > > > > Jazzmasters were usually the rhythm guitar of
> > > > > choice in the original surf lineups
> > > > > and are tonally more mellow and quite distinct from the
> > > > > Jags.
> > >
> > > I dunno if I buy that. I remember we had a discussion about this a
> > > long time ago. I agree that Jags and JM's sound distinctly
> > different,
> > > but I don't know about Jazzmasters being more of a rhythm guitar.
> > I'd
> > > have to go flip through the Bob Dalley book again. There is
> > certainly
> > > nothing mellow about Frankie Blandino's (Fathoms) or Phantom Frank's
> > > (Treble Spankers) tones (prominent Jazzmaster users). I think it's
> > > debatable about what you saw more, Jags or Jazzmasters, in the 60's,
> > > but I think the scales are tipped toward the Jazzmaster for the 90's
> > > bands. But I'm probably wrong about that, if anything it's probably
> > > 50/50. A lot of bands had them both in varying roles. It might be
> > kind
> > > of fun (for a while) to make a list of all the bands and who played
> > > what.
> >
> > Also, Chris Barfield (The Huntington Cads, The Finks), Dalibor &
> > Dinko (The Bambi Molesters), Mikko (Laika & The Cosmonauts), Eddie of
> > the El Caminos, Davie Allan, all Jazzmaster using lead guitarists.
> > There are probably more.
> >
> > I believe that Rich Fifield of the Astronauts was their lead
> > guitarist (the info on this is kinda hard to get, so I could be
> > wrong), and he's shown with a Jazzmaster in all the photos I know
> > of. So, I think there's a good case to be made that in fact the
> > Astronauts lead guitar sound is the sound of the Jazzmaster. And I
> > think for many people those guys define the tone of surf guitar.
> >
> > > Ivan, did you ever play your Jazzmaster live in The Space Cossacks?
> > > Any plans for The Madeira?
> >
> > I went out and bought my Jazzmaster after playing the Cossacks did a
> > show with the Fathoms in late '96. I was just blown away by
> > Frankie's sound. I used that Jazzmaster to record probably about a
> > third of the songs by the Space Cossacks (including Solaris Stomp).
> > I also always played it live once I got it, alternating between a
> > Strat and a Jazzmaster. For the Madeira, though, I'm going for the
> > pure Strat sound. For me it's really about DD and the Atlantics
> > (with a bit of Hank Marvin), and my ideal is to combine those guitar
> > tones into my own. I do love to play my Jazzmaster still, and it
> > might find its way onto the album, we'll see...
> >
> > Ivan
I noticed your post. I wasn't responding to you. Just people in
general who may have gotten a notion that they can't play Jag for
rhythm or Jazzmaster for lead. And the guitarists I mention were just
to add on to Ivan's list.
--- In , "Gavin Ehringer"
<gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
>
> You'll note, I said Jazzes were usually the preference of the rhythm
players in vintage surf
> bands - as for what folks use them for now, that's a different
story. Elvis Costello used a
> Jazzmaster, I believe. I think they make fine lead or rhythm
guitars, and to be honest, most
> players do some of both, no?
>
> Gavin
>
>
>
> --- In , "Jacob Dobner"
<jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Shigeo plays a Jazzmaster as does Steve from the Cocktail Preachers.
> > It should be noted that Steve's is a custom made DeCola guitar but it
> > is still a Jazzmaster. I just remembered Mel from the Mel-Tones, Mach
> > IV, and Meshugga Beach Party uses one as well.
> >
> > I play a Jag for Rhythm. It doesn't make a horrible sound.
> >
> > --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --- Gavin Ehringer <gavinehringer@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > Jazzmasters were usually the rhythm guitar of
> > > > > > choice in the original surf lineups
> > > > > > and are tonally more mellow and quite distinct from the
> > > > > > Jags.
> > > >
> > > > I dunno if I buy that. I remember we had a discussion about this a
> > > > long time ago. I agree that Jags and JM's sound distinctly
> > > different,
> > > > but I don't know about Jazzmasters being more of a rhythm guitar.
> > > I'd
> > > > have to go flip through the Bob Dalley book again. There is
> > > certainly
> > > > nothing mellow about Frankie Blandino's (Fathoms) or Phantom
Frank's
> > > > (Treble Spankers) tones (prominent Jazzmaster users). I think it's
> > > > debatable about what you saw more, Jags or Jazzmasters, in the
60's,
> > > > but I think the scales are tipped toward the Jazzmaster for
the 90's
> > > > bands. But I'm probably wrong about that, if anything it's
probably
> > > > 50/50. A lot of bands had them both in varying roles. It might be
> > > kind
> > > > of fun (for a while) to make a list of all the bands and who
played
> > > > what.
> > >
> > > Also, Chris Barfield (The Huntington Cads, The Finks), Dalibor &
> > > Dinko (The Bambi Molesters), Mikko (Laika & The Cosmonauts),
Eddie of
> > > the El Caminos, Davie Allan, all Jazzmaster using lead guitarists.
> > > There are probably more.
> > >
> > > I believe that Rich Fifield of the Astronauts was their lead
> > > guitarist (the info on this is kinda hard to get, so I could be
> > > wrong), and he's shown with a Jazzmaster in all the photos I know
> > > of. So, I think there's a good case to be made that in fact the
> > > Astronauts lead guitar sound is the sound of the Jazzmaster. And I
> > > think for many people those guys define the tone of surf guitar.
> > >
> > > > Ivan, did you ever play your Jazzmaster live in The Space
Cossacks?
> > > > Any plans for The Madeira?
> > >
> > > I went out and bought my Jazzmaster after playing the Cossacks
did a
> > > show with the Fathoms in late '96. I was just blown away by
> > > Frankie's sound. I used that Jazzmaster to record probably about a
> > > third of the songs by the Space Cossacks (including Solaris
Stomp).
> > > I also always played it live once I got it, alternating between a
> > > Strat and a Jazzmaster. For the Madeira, though, I'm going for the
> > > pure Strat sound. For me it's really about DD and the Atlantics
> > > (with a bit of Hank Marvin), and my ideal is to combine those
guitar
> > > tones into my own. I do love to play my Jazzmaster still, and it
> > > might find its way onto the album, we'll see...
> > >
> > > Ivan
