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Yeah, the price on the EJ Strat seems high,
when compared with the Clapton and SRV Strats,
<but> if you've read the shtick in the 2005 Frontlines about
them, it makes sense:
1. The pickups are a unique design to Eric Johnson's specs.
Most guys just specify a pre-existing pickup- not EJ!
2. The radius on the neck is way unusual for vintage style
Fender necks, meaning they are not just pulling a neck from
a different model, and slapping a different decal, or even different
frets onnit. That's a major variation, not a minor tweak.
3. There are a <lot> of other odd little tweaks in the guitar that
<have> to require more time, if not money to do.
Oh yeah- It has staggered <vintage> style tuners...
I've never heard of those before- has anybody?
That means specially machined parts!
The staggered tuners I've heard of are normal enclosed tuners
on the American Strats.
Anyway, when you consider all that, maybe it's not such a high price
after all.
I also understand the objection to the flat radius,
but flatter radii are common on shredder guitars,
and as shredders get older, they may follow the general
trend of aging players becoming interested in more vintage
flavored gear, but still want a flatter neck radius.
In that case, the EJ Strat is the only game in town.
And regarding the comment about Marty Tippens-
there is already one Custom Shop signature model
dedicated to a surf guitarist, the Dick Dale Strat.
So surf guitar has <some> representation in the Fender catalog!
Ya can't have <everything>! ;^)
Michael
The price of the EJ strat ($1,609.99) is just a tad bit higher than
the American Vintage Jazzmaster ($1,400 or $1,435 w/sunburst). The
American Vintage '62 Strat is also nearby in that range ($1,330 -
$1,365).
That is still a lot of money though...The AV Jags and JM's are pretty
damn expensive, but very nice guitars. I got lucky on eBay for my AV
Jag. I still want to pick up an AV JM someday...but the prices keep me
away.. :-)
BN
The Clapton Strat has a decent amount of stuff designed for his
guitar. But the reason I can figure EC's is cheaper while EJ's is more
exspensive is because more people want a Clapton strat.
It would be really cool to see the staggered tuners to see what those
are about.
I am not a big fan of zero radius instruments. My 'Ukulele, which I
love, has a zero radius and it makes it much hard to play than a
guitar. The smaller frets hurt that as well. I really need a radius
because I have messed up my fretting hand several times playing baseball.
--- In , Michael S Springer
<springerms@j...> wrote:
> Yeah, the price on the EJ Strat seems high,
> when compared with the Clapton and SRV Strats,
> <but> if you've read the shtick in the 2005 Frontlines about
> them, it makes sense:
>
> 1. The pickups are a unique design to Eric Johnson's specs.
> Most guys just specify a pre-existing pickup- not EJ!
>
> 2. The radius on the neck is way unusual for vintage style
> Fender necks, meaning they are not just pulling a neck from
> a different model, and slapping a different decal, or even different
> frets onnit. That's a major variation, not a minor tweak.
>
> 3. There are a <lot> of other odd little tweaks in the guitar that
> <have> to require more time, if not money to do.
> Oh yeah- It has staggered <vintage> style tuners...
> I've never heard of those before- has anybody?
> That means specially machined parts!
> The staggered tuners I've heard of are normal enclosed tuners
> on the American Strats.
>
> Anyway, when you consider all that, maybe it's not such a high price
> after all.
>
> I also understand the objection to the flat radius,
> but flatter radii are common on shredder guitars,
> and as shredders get older, they may follow the general
> trend of aging players becoming interested in more vintage
> flavored gear, but still want a flatter neck radius.
> In that case, the EJ Strat is the only game in town.
>
> And regarding the comment about Marty Tippens-
> there is already one Custom Shop signature model
> dedicated to a surf guitarist, the Dick Dale Strat.
> So surf guitar has <some> representation in the Fender catalog!
> Ya can't have <everything>! ;^)
>
> Michael
The pre-amp in the Clapton possibly was a part that
goes back to the Elite Strat. I'll check on that. It
is also use on other sig. guitars like the Buddy Guy,
and Sambora.
The staggerd vintage keys are made by Gotoh, and were
also used on the Sambora Start. You can probably get
these from Allparts. They also make a staggered
vintage key that lock. Both of these key styles fit
orig. vintage hole pattern I have a couple sets of the
locking, but I haven't put them to enough of test to
tell you to buy them.
What makes guitars expensive is when they have unique
features like battery cutouts, like the Clapton, Buddy
Guy,or Sambora.Because they limit the rework
opportunitys.
The first time someone screws a back cover on an EJ,
that body is junk. It can't be used for another model
because of the nice big scoop cutaway in the back.
This is the only production guitar where every neck
must be a quarter-sawn piece of wood. That is a very
expensive cut of wood.
The thin laquer body paint looks and sounds cool.
Other laquer guitars have a polyester undercoat which
affects the look and sound of the guitar.
Is that true that it retails, not the deal price, is
around $1600? Fender has a 50% markup, so that sounds
like it could be an OK price.
-dave
--- Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
>
>
> The Clapton Strat has a decent amount of stuff
> designed for his
> guitar. But the reason I can figure EC's is cheaper
> while EJ's is more
> exspensive is because more people want a Clapton
> strat.
>
> It would be really cool to see the staggered tuners
> to see what those
> are about.
>
> I am not a big fan of zero radius instruments. My
> 'Ukulele, which I
> love, has a zero radius and it makes it much hard to
> play than a
> guitar. The smaller frets hurt that as well. I
> really need a radius
> because I have messed up my fretting hand several
> times playing baseball.
>
> --- In , Michael S
> Springer
> <springerms@j...> wrote:
> > Yeah, the price on the EJ Strat seems high,
> > when compared with the Clapton and SRV Strats,
> > <but> if you've read the shtick in the 2005
> Frontlines about
> > them, it makes sense:
> >
> > 1. The pickups are a unique design to Eric
> Johnson's specs.
> > Most guys just specify a pre-existing pickup- not
> EJ!
> >
> > 2. The radius on the neck is way unusual for
> vintage style
> > Fender necks, meaning they are not just pulling a
> neck from
> > a different model, and slapping a different decal,
> or even different
> > frets onnit. That's a major variation, not a
> minor tweak.
> >
> > 3. There are a <lot> of other odd little tweaks in
> the guitar that
> > <have> to require more time, if not money to do.
> > Oh yeah- It has staggered <vintage> style
> tuners...
> > I've never heard of those before- has anybody?
> > That means specially machined parts!
> > The staggered tuners I've heard of are normal
> enclosed tuners
> > on the American Strats.
> >
> > Anyway, when you consider all that, maybe it's not
> such a high price
> > after all.
> >
> > I also understand the objection to the flat
> radius,
> > but flatter radii are common on shredder guitars,
> > and as shredders get older, they may follow the
> general
> > trend of aging players becoming interested in more
> vintage
> > flavored gear, but still want a flatter neck
> radius.
> > In that case, the EJ Strat is the only game in
> town.
> >
> > And regarding the comment about Marty Tippens-
> > there is already one Custom Shop signature model
> > dedicated to a surf guitarist, the Dick Dale
> Strat.
> > So surf guitar has <some> representation in the
> Fender catalog!
> > Ya can't have <everything>! ;^)
> >
> > Michael
>
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The deal price is $1600.
The pre-amp that you are talking about on the Clapton is that the TBX
or something similar. I don't think those go on the Clapton strats
anymore. I heard they took them off.
And one more guitar question for you. I have a CIJ Jag which I really
love. Gets more play than my Gretsch 6118-120T, for surf anyways which
is all I play. I really am not a fan of the string in through the top
tuners. The high e string always pops out on any guitar I have ever
put strings that have those tuners. So my question is, do you know of
technique to restring with those that makes it easier? And if not what
are some non-top loading, quality, tuners that I could drop straight
into the Jag. It is one of the Q-series CIJ Limited Edition ones that
were sold through Musicians Friend and Music123 for $500.
--- In , dave wronski <stickmandw@y...>
wrote:
> The pre-amp in the Clapton possibly was a part that
> goes back to the Elite Strat. I'll check on that. It
> is also use on other sig. guitars like the Buddy Guy,
> and Sambora.
>
> The staggerd vintage keys are made by Gotoh, and were
> also used on the Sambora Start. You can probably get
> these from Allparts. They also make a staggered
> vintage key that lock. Both of these key styles fit
> orig. vintage hole pattern I have a couple sets of the
> locking, but I haven't put them to enough of test to
> tell you to buy them.
>
> What makes guitars expensive is when they have unique
> features like battery cutouts, like the Clapton, Buddy
> Guy,or Sambora.Because they limit the rework
> opportunitys.
>
> The first time someone screws a back cover on an EJ,
> that body is junk. It can't be used for another model
> because of the nice big scoop cutaway in the back.
>
> This is the only production guitar where every neck
> must be a quarter-sawn piece of wood. That is a very
> expensive cut of wood.
>
> The thin laquer body paint looks and sounds cool.
> Other laquer guitars have a polyester undercoat which
> affects the look and sound of the guitar.
>
> Is that true that it retails, not the deal price, is
> around $1600? Fender has a 50% markup, so that sounds
> like it could be an OK price.
>
> -dave
>
>
>
>
> --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The Clapton Strat has a decent amount of stuff
> > designed for his
> > guitar. But the reason I can figure EC's is cheaper
> > while EJ's is more
> > exspensive is because more people want a Clapton
> > strat.
> >
> > It would be really cool to see the staggered tuners
> > to see what those
> > are about.
> >
> > I am not a big fan of zero radius instruments. My
> > 'Ukulele, which I
> > love, has a zero radius and it makes it much hard to
> > play than a
> > guitar. The smaller frets hurt that as well. I
> > really need a radius
> > because I have messed up my fretting hand several
> > times playing baseball.
> >
> > --- In , Michael S
> > Springer
> > <springerms@j...> wrote:
> > > Yeah, the price on the EJ Strat seems high,
> > > when compared with the Clapton and SRV Strats,
> > > <but> if you've read the shtick in the 2005
> > Frontlines about
> > > them, it makes sense:
> > >
> > > 1. The pickups are a unique design to Eric
> > Johnson's specs.
> > > Most guys just specify a pre-existing pickup- not
> > EJ!
> > >
> > > 2. The radius on the neck is way unusual for
> > vintage style
> > > Fender necks, meaning they are not just pulling a
> > neck from
> > > a different model, and slapping a different decal,
> > or even different
> > > frets onnit. That's a major variation, not a
> > minor tweak.
> > >
> > > 3. There are a <lot> of other odd little tweaks in
> > the guitar that
> > > <have> to require more time, if not money to do.
> > > Oh yeah- It has staggered <vintage> style
> > tuners...
> > > I've never heard of those before- has anybody?
> > > That means specially machined parts!
> > > The staggered tuners I've heard of are normal
> > enclosed tuners
> > > on the American Strats.
> > >
> > > Anyway, when you consider all that, maybe it's not
> > such a high price
> > > after all.
> > >
> > > I also understand the objection to the flat
> > radius,
> > > but flatter radii are common on shredder guitars,
> > > and as shredders get older, they may follow the
> > general
> > > trend of aging players becoming interested in more
> > vintage
> > > flavored gear, but still want a flatter neck
> > radius.
> > > In that case, the EJ Strat is the only game in
> > town.
> > >
> > > And regarding the comment about Marty Tippens-
> > > there is already one Custom Shop signature model
> > > dedicated to a surf guitarist, the Dick Dale
> > Strat.
> > > So surf guitar has <some> representation in the
> > Fender catalog!
> > > Ya can't have <everything>! ;^)
> > >
> > > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
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The Clapton has a very powerful pre-amp that gets it's
power from a 9volt battery located in the spring
cavity. The lower pot controls the amount of boost. I
think it has a TBX tone pot located in the middle
position. I should know this, I build them almost
every day!
I don't know why you would have strings popping out of
the key like that unless the string is bent in such a
way that it's too long for the hole.
If you want to replace the keys on a MIJ or CIJ
Fender,
you will have to open up the headstock key holes a
little bit to accomodate the Gotoh vintage keys. This
is because those guitars use Ping brand keys, which
are made in Korea, and whose shaft is a little bit
smaller.
Scroll down this page
for Kinman's idea of string installation. I've never
tried it myself.
I don't know what keys the Q-series uses, but it's
probaly Ping. Also, the '66 Jaguars and Jazzmasters
that are being sold on Ishibashi website now use "F"
keys, and you will have a different hole pattern to
deal with if you want to use vintage style on those.
The vintage style Gotoh locking keys have the string
enter from th side.
-dave
--- Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
>
>
> The deal price is $1600.
>
> The pre-amp that you are talking about on the
> Clapton is that the TBX
> or something similar. I don't think those go on the
> Clapton strats
> anymore. I heard they took them off.
>
> And one more guitar question for you. I have a CIJ
> Jag which I really
> love. Gets more play than my Gretsch 6118-120T, for
> surf anyways which
> is all I play. I really am not a fan of the string
> in through the top
> tuners. The high e string always pops out on any
> guitar I have ever
> put strings that have those tuners. So my question
> is, do you know of
> technique to restring with those that makes it
> easier? And if not what
> are some non-top loading, quality, tuners that I
> could drop straight
> into the Jag. It is one of the Q-series CIJ Limited
> Edition ones that
> were sold through Musicians Friend and Music123 for
> $500.
>
> --- In , dave wronski
> <stickmandw@y...>
> wrote:
> > The pre-amp in the Clapton possibly was a part
> that
> > goes back to the Elite Strat. I'll check on that.
> It
> > is also use on other sig. guitars like the Buddy
> Guy,
> > and Sambora.
> >
> > The staggerd vintage keys are made by Gotoh, and
> were
> > also used on the Sambora Start. You can probably
> get
> > these from Allparts. They also make a staggered
> > vintage key that lock. Both of these key styles
> fit
> > orig. vintage hole pattern I have a couple sets of
> the
> > locking, but I haven't put them to enough of test
> to
> > tell you to buy them.
> >
> > What makes guitars expensive is when they have
> unique
> > features like battery cutouts, like the Clapton,
> Buddy
> > Guy,or Sambora.Because they limit the rework
> > opportunitys.
> >
> > The first time someone screws a back cover on an
> EJ,
> > that body is junk. It can't be used for another
> model
> > because of the nice big scoop cutaway in the back.
>
> >
> > This is the only production guitar where every
> neck
> > must be a quarter-sawn piece of wood. That is a
> very
> > expensive cut of wood.
> >
> > The thin laquer body paint looks and sounds cool.
> > Other laquer guitars have a polyester undercoat
> which
> > affects the look and sound of the guitar.
> >
> > Is that true that it retails, not the deal price,
> is
> > around $1600? Fender has a 50% markup, so that
> sounds
> > like it could be an OK price.
> >
> > -dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The Clapton Strat has a decent amount of stuff
> > > designed for his
> > > guitar. But the reason I can figure EC's is
> cheaper
> > > while EJ's is more
> > > exspensive is because more people want a Clapton
> > > strat.
> > >
> > > It would be really cool to see the staggered
> tuners
> > > to see what those
> > > are about.
> > >
> > > I am not a big fan of zero radius instruments.
> My
> > > 'Ukulele, which I
> > > love, has a zero radius and it makes it much
> hard to
> > > play than a
> > > guitar. The smaller frets hurt that as well. I
> > > really need a radius
> > > because I have messed up my fretting hand
> several
> > > times playing baseball.
> > >
> > > --- In , Michael S
> > > Springer
> > > <springerms@j...> wrote:
> > > > Yeah, the price on the EJ Strat seems high,
> > > > when compared with the Clapton and SRV Strats,
> > > > <but> if you've read the shtick in the 2005
> > > Frontlines about
> > > > them, it makes sense:
> > > >
> > > > 1. The pickups are a unique design to Eric
> > > Johnson's specs.
> > > > Most guys just specify a pre-existing pickup-
> not
> > > EJ!
> > > >
> > > > 2. The radius on the neck is way unusual for
> > > vintage style
> > > > Fender necks, meaning they are not just
> pulling a
> > > neck from
> > > > a different model, and slapping a different
> decal,
> > > or even different
> > > > frets onnit. That's a major variation, not a
> > > minor tweak.
> > > >
> > > > 3. There are a <lot> of other odd little
> tweaks in
> > > the guitar that
> > > > <have> to require more time, if not money to
> do.
> > > > Oh yeah- It has staggered <vintage> style
> > > tuners...
> > > > I've never heard of those before- has anybody?
> > > > That means specially machined parts!
> > > > The staggered tuners I've heard of are normal
> > > enclosed tuners
> > > > on the American Strats.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, when you consider all that, maybe it's
> not
> > > such a high price
> > > > after all.
> > > >
> > > > I also understand the objection to the flat
> > > radius,
> > > > but flatter radii are common on shredder
> guitars,
> > > > and as shredders get older, they may follow
> the
> > > general
> > > > trend of aging players becoming interested in
> more
> > > vintage
> > > > flavored gear, but still want a flatter neck
> > > radius.
> > > > In that case, the EJ Strat is the only game in
> > > town.
> > > >
> > > > And regarding the comment about Marty Tippens-
> > > > there is already one Custom Shop signature
> model
> > > > dedicated to a surf guitarist, the Dick Dale
> > > Strat.
> > > > So surf guitar has <some> representation in
> the
> > > Fender catalog!
> > > > Ya can't have <everything>! ;^)
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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