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Yeah Phil,
Nokie sure put the breaks on the rockin' Ventures sound when he returned with
his '70's conturified style. I can understand how many fans of the early
Ventures have low tolarence for that later stuff.
I saw the Ventures in the '80's bi-monthly as they played the Palamino
regularly. While I know what your talking about with their sound not being what
it was, there was a lot more stage presence than you are reporting. I have
evidence of it on bootleg tapes I made. Mel was particualrly vocal. Don was the
cheerful MC type. Bob told drowl jokes. Nokie didn't say a word but stood their
and played awesome licks (ok, they were countrified). The full houses were
always enthusiastic.
I'm not clear on how you are using Jerry Reed in the sentence below. Is "playing
- mostly with Jerry Reed" to say the Ventures were performing with Jerry Reed or
playing with the Jerry Reed style? I certainly agree with the latter although
their ain't nobody as good as Jerry Reed in my book. That guy was an insanely
great guitar player.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Dirt
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Getting started with The Shadows
True enough... I must say I never quite understood how
that all worked for and against them. I've always had
a love-hate kind of view of them.
I saw them several times live in the eighties and
nineties, always very dissapointed at the near-dead
nature of their stage presence and playing - mostly
with Jerry Reed. It just seemed like their pose was
saying we are the Ventures, love us, we need not
entertain. Not to overstate, but all of the shows were
quite dissapointing - extremely low energy - as if
they had already retired.
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
---------------------------------
Yes, Phil,
The Ventures put out some stuff that was purdy
schmaltzy. The nearly disco period is indeed the worst
of the Ventures eras BUT it came at a time when they
were not under their "grind out another" album work
ethic. It came in the mid '70's and was the lone
domestic album for several years before and after. On
the other hand, "Journey to the Stars" , "RapCity" and
the other great Ventures recordings you mention came
right in the middle of their "grind out another album"
period.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Dirt
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Getting started
with The Shadows
Marty, my friend...
--- mctippens <> wrote:
> I did and do agree that the Ventures were
> definitely focused on the business end of
> music BUT not to the cost of their creative
> performance.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but some of their
releases were/are positively embarrassing. They
clearing did some magnificent things, but their
"grind
out another album" work plan generated some real
mung
too. Their nearly disco period is the worst, right
along with the early eighties sataellites are fun
sessions. Yikes, I shiver just to think about it,
especially when compared to "Journey To The Stars"
or
"Rap City" or "Ten Seconds To Heaven" or "Damaged
Goods" or "The Lonely Sea."
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Why did Nokie leave and why did he come back? Is Gerry and Nokie still
rotating in and out depending on what country they are playing in?
Thanks,
BN
Horseracing right?
>
> Why did Nokie leave and why did he come back? Is Gerry and Nokie
still
> rotating in and out depending on what country they are playing in?
>
> Thanks,
> BN
Yeah, horseracing was one of the stories for Nokies absence. He probably also
wanted to play more country. Gerry does the summer Japanese tours and doesn't do
any gigs in the States. Nokie does the gigs in the States but those are far and
few between and have been limited to the northwest in the last 7 years. Nokie
also has been appearing with the Ventures on their Winter one week junckets to
Japan for the last few years. The guys are getting old, Bob and Don are 71.
Nokie is very close to 70 if he's not their already. Gerry is closer to '65 -
'66. Don and Gerry's health is good. Bob and Nokie's is not, (back problems.
heart problems). Leon Taylor is doing fine at 48ish.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: supertwangreverb
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:44 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: oh brother, Ventures again (was Getting started
with The Shadows)
Horseracing right?
>
> Why did Nokie leave and why did he come back? Is Gerry and Nokie
still
> rotating in and out depending on what country they are playing in?
>
> Thanks,
> BN
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Nokie plays more the guys lately but he's trying to do "his own thing"
as he says often. This year, in Japan, Gerry will go with them while
Nokie simultaneously does his own shows.
Les
On Mar 15, 2005, at 8:44 PM, supertwangreverb wrote:
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> Horseracing right?
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>> Why did Nokie leave and why did he come back? Is Gerry and Nokie
> still
>> rotating in and out depending on what country they are playing in?
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>> Thanks,
>> BN
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I saw them a couple of times in San Jose and also a
couple of times in Santa Cruz. Nearly motionless on
stage, little chatter. At the Catalyst the last time,
Don and Bob just stood there playing and staring into
space, and (I meant) Gerry McGee stood way apart from
them, never looking at them (maybe they had a fight),
and played country licks galore through their rock
stuff. It was very strange. Closed the book for me.
Gerry/Jerry - the association failed me - a faux pax.
Reed was an amazing player. He always had a grin in
his playing, if you know what I mean.
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
---------------------------------
Yeah Phil,
Nokie sure put the breaks on the rockin' Ventures
sound when he returned with his '70's conturified
style. I can understand how many fans of the early
Ventures have low tolarence for that later stuff.
I saw the Ventures in the '80's bi-monthly as they
played the Palamino regularly. While I know what your
talking about with their sound not being what it was,
there was a lot more stage presence than you are
reporting. I have evidence of it on bootleg tapes I
made. Mel was particualrly vocal. Don was the cheerful
MC type. Bob told drowl jokes. Nokie didn't say a word
but stood their and played awesome licks (ok, they
were countrified). The full houses were always
enthusiastic.
I'm not clear on how you are using Jerry Reed in the
sentence below. Is "playing - mostly with Jerry Reed"
to say the Ventures were performing with Jerry Reed or
playing with the Jerry Reed style? I certainly agree
with the latter although their ain't nobody as good as
Jerry Reed in my book. That guy was an insanely great
guitar player.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Dirt
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Getting started
with The Shadows
True enough... I must say I never quite understood
how
that all worked for and against them. I've always
had
a love-hate kind of view of them.
I saw them several times live in the eighties and
nineties, always very dissapointed at the near-dead
nature of their stage presence and playing - mostly
with Jerry Reed. It just seemed like their pose was
saying we are the Ventures, love us, we need not
entertain. Not to overstate, but all of the shows
were
quite dissapointing - extremely low energy - as if
they had already retired.
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
---------------------------------
Yes, Phil,
The Ventures put out some stuff that was purdy
schmaltzy. The nearly disco period is indeed the
worst
of the Ventures eras BUT it came at a time when they
were not under their "grind out another" album work
ethic. It came in the mid '70's and was the lone
domestic album for several years before and after.
On
the other hand, "Journey to the Stars" , "RapCity"
and
the other great Ventures recordings you mention came
right in the middle of their "grind out another
album"
period.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Dirt
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Getting started
with The Shadows
Marty, my friend...
--- mctippens <> wrote:
> I did and do agree that the Ventures were
> definitely focused on the business end of
> music BUT not to the cost of their creative
> performance.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but some of
their
releases were/are positively embarrassing. They
clearing did some magnificent things, but their
"grind
out another album" work plan generated some real
mung
too. Their nearly disco period is the worst, right
along with the early eighties sataellites are fun
sessions. Yikes, I shiver just to think about it,
especially when compared to "Journey To The Stars"
or
"Rap City" or "Ten Seconds To Heaven" or "Damaged
Goods" or "The Lonely Sea."
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