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Marty,
I thought of a great analogy that you may be able to relate to regarding
tabs. Think of math! I know teachers generally don't care for the
student's solutions manuals. This is because it becomes too much of a
crutch. When you work with someone who is trying to learn and you
encourage them to try on their own, with guidance, they retain the
information better and have more confidence. In the future, the problem
becomes less frustrating.
Since I don't know about tabs, I cannot make too much of an informed
comment, but I would assume that learning songs on one's own, or with
some guidance, would create more confidence, self-reliance, and the
ability to retain information (the song) better than getting it from a
hard copy.
I thought I'd share this off list because the math analogy probably has
little relevance to other members. I can see people are sick of talking
about it, but I think it's one subject here I can relate to! I play only
by ear and am very hard-headed about learning to read music.
-Kristena
Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:18:17 -0800 (PST) Ferenc Dobronyi <>
writes:
>
>
> --- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
>
> > Ok, but you have your agreement and disagreement
> > backwards. I am of the following opinions:
> >
> > 1. Ear training is not the most important way to
> > learn surf music
>
> Oh, I thought you were saying that it is... well, what
> do you think is the most important way to learn surf
> music, if not by ear?
>
> > 2. Tabs can be usefull for more difficult forms of
> > music and making tabs ain't a bad practice. I keep
> > several on the computer as well and I have published
> > a few on my www.planktone.com website.
>
> AHA! I knew you had skeletons in closet.
>
> > Ear training is the better way over tab to learn
> > surf music but it is more important to hook up with
> > another guitar player and interact when learning
> > surf or any other form of music.
>
> Agreed, but let me just say <for arguments sake :), >
> what is the difference between having somebody show
> you a lick or learning it from a tab? either way it is
> an exchange of information.
>
> And P.S. to everybody, just so there is no
> misunderstanding, I think Marty is a great guy, an
> extremely talented multi-instrumentalist, and you
> should seek out The Planktones "Makin the Scene" is
> one of my favorite CDs from the last few years!
>
> fd
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hahaha! sorry, it didn't end up off list. Sorry to bother ya!
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:39:03 -0800 Kristena Hernandez <>
writes:
>
> Marty,
>
> I thought of a great analogy that you may be able to relate to
> regarding
> tabs.
Kristena:
I teach Junior High math...and you're right on target...
dp
--- Kristena Hernandez <> wrote:
>
> Marty,
>
> I thought of a great analogy that you may be able to
> relate to regarding
> tabs. Think of math! I know teachers generally don't
> care for the
> student's solutions manuals. This is because it becomes
> too much of a
> crutch. When you work with someone who is trying to
> learn and you
> encourage them to try on their own, with guidance, they
> retain the
> information better and have more confidence. In the
> future, the problem
> becomes less frustrating.
>
> Since I don't know about tabs, I cannot make too much of
> an informed
> comment, but I would assume that learning songs on one's
> own, or with
> some guidance, would create more confidence,
> self-reliance, and the
> ability to retain information (the song) better than
> getting it from a
> hard copy.
>
> I thought I'd share this off list because the math
> analogy probably has
> little relevance to other members. I can see people are
> sick of talking
> about it, but I think it's one subject here I can relate
> to! I play only
> by ear and am very hard-headed about learning to read
> music.
>
> -Kristena
>
>
>
>
>
> Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:18:17 -0800 (PST) Ferenc Dobronyi
> <>
> writes:
> >
> >
> > --- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, but you have your agreement and disagreement
> > > backwards. I am of the following opinions:
> > >
> > > 1. Ear training is not the most important way to
> > > learn surf music
> >
> > Oh, I thought you were saying that it is... well, what
> > do you think is the most important way to learn surf
> > music, if not by ear?
> >
> > > 2. Tabs can be usefull for more difficult forms of
> > > music and making tabs ain't a bad practice. I keep
> > > several on the computer as well and I have published
> > > a few on my www.planktone.com website.
> >
> > AHA! I knew you had skeletons in closet.
> >
> > > Ear training is the better way over tab to learn
> > > surf music but it is more important to hook up with
> > > another guitar player and interact when learning
> > > surf or any other form of music.
> >
> > Agreed, but let me just say <for arguments sake :), >
> > what is the difference between having somebody show
> > you a lick or learning it from a tab? either way it is
> > an exchange of information.
> >
> > And P.S. to everybody, just so there is no
> > misunderstanding, I think Marty is a great guy, an
> > extremely talented multi-instrumentalist, and you
> > should seek out The Planktones "Makin the Scene" is
> > one of my favorite CDs from the last few years!
> >
> > fd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> theater?
> > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for
> Good!
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