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Hey Chris Thanks alot, again that's a huge compliment, but I still
think it could better. Yes, I was banned for life haha. I
mistakenly put up an add for my Jazzmaster which was on on ebay at
the time. I was comparing it to another and not trying to drum up a
sale. Commandant Greene told me if I wanted back in I'd have to
pay. Which rubbed me wrong, so I said something nasty and now he's
deleted all my posts. Kudos to Brian for running such a non
restrictive group here.
Man, I think I've set a record for posting responses today, I love
it when works slow.
--- In , "kahunatikiman" <chris@b...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> You were banned for life from the FDP?
>
> I'm jealous that you can play Scratch! It sounds just like the
> record!
>
> Chris
> --- In , "supertwangreverb"
> <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Chris, I agree with you here, Great post. My intial post does
> sound
> > harsher than the way it sounded in my head,(maybe this is why I
> was
> > banned for life from the FDP) but hell, I hate wasting 15 bucks
on
> a
> > CD I dislike :) Ivan's posts are legendary and sometimes
> > disagreeing with him is like taking on the blitzkrieg.
> >
> > This Trad vs. Prog idea stands up in other forms of music too,
and
> I
> > think it's more acceptable for someone who loves Merle Haggard
> > country to hate Shanie Twain. Because this community is so
small,
> > and basically on a personal level, one's dislike of an aspect of
> the
> > genre upsets others who don't.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "kahunatikiman"
<chris@b...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a good topic! I always enjoy Ivan's posts, they are
> > > informative and very well thought out. my only critique would
> be
> > if
> > > Ivan could do like they do at Reverborama, and call
> everyone "fag"
> > > more. ;-)
> > >
> > > I think it's safe to say we all got into surf music the
same
> > > way, by hearing the first wave songs by the first wave
bands.
> I
> > > agree with Ivan that nothing will sound like they did then.
> We
> > > are all just trying to do our version of that original sound.
> > >
> > > I'd bet all of us started out on the same 5-10 songs,
trying
> > as
> > > hard as we could to "sound like the record". For some of us,
> > thats
> > > enough, for others, they feel compelled to try to update the
> > sound,
> > > or the songs, or come up with their own ideas. One of my
> favorite
> > > things about surf music is the confines in which a song can be
> > > called surf music. For the most part, it's that original
> > > traditional sound. It may have evolved over the years, as
> > > everything does, but at the core is that reverb-driven sound.
> > >
> > > Bills words may have been harsh, but he has a point. I
have
> > > also purchased new cd's thinking they would be good, only to
> find
> > > they ultimately don't stand the test of time. I always go
back
> to
> > > the old stuff. Perhaps I'm trying to recapture the feeling the
> > first
> > > time I heard DD's Miserlou, or Pipeline. Newer stuff doesn't
> > > inspire me like the classics.
> > >
> > > Just because Bill doesn't buy every album that's released
> > doesn't
> > > make him less of a fan....
> > >
> > > I hope someday to have enough inspiration to come up with my
own
> > > ideas , and leave my "mark" on the genre, but it that never
> > > happens, at least I'll have once heard "you sound just like
the
> > > record"!
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > P.S. I think The Nobles also did the original version
> > > of "Hiawatha" later covered by The Surfaris. It's really just
a
> > rip
> > > off of the Hamms Beer song. "from the land of sky blue
> > > water....water!"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , DP <noetical1@y...>
wrote:
> > > > Ivan:
> > > >
> > > > I read through your wonderful well-thought-out piece and I
> > > > must comment on one point you touched upon...
> > > >
> > > > Back in 1960-1965, the "surf music" scene was un-self
> > > > conscious...those musicians had a "zen-like" simplicity and
> > > > purity to their approach to the music they created.
> > > > Basically, they were dorks and goobers who wanted to
> > > > impress their friends by getting on the radio or playing at
> > > > the High School dance on Friday night.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, that period was before such blatant commercial
> > > > entities like the Monkeys, the Partridge Family, The Brady
> > > > Bunch and yes...even the Beatles. Way before MTV and Hot
> > > > Topic, but that's another story altogether.
> > > >
> > > > Those surf-dudes (and dudettes such as Kathy Marshall)
> > > > really had what they heard on the radio, on records and
> > > > what they saw at their local High School dances to ionspire
> > > > their creativity. And, of course, they had old Dick Dale
> > > > at the Rendevous Ballroom...
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I guess the point you made about an idyllic moment
> > > > in history (1963) struck a chord in me...I simply wanted to
> > > > chime in and stress that, to me, real "surf music" is 90%
> > > > attitude and approach and charachter and only 10% equipment
> > > > and music knowledge (if even that much.)
> > > >
> > > > Last year, I had the pleasure of watching a show by the
> > > > Tornadoes (you know, Pulp Fiction soundtrack and all
> > > > that..."Bustin' Surfboards")...You prpbably played with
> > > > them at the "Rendevous Reunion" right?...
> > > >
> > > > Those guys are still together, living in Redlands
> > > > California (where they have always lived)...They have been
> > > > playing "real surf music" for over 40 years now... The show
> > > > was GREAT!...light-hearted...FUN! They can barely
> > > > play...total garage rock...they know what they know...and
> > > > what they know is how to have fun making their music. True
> > > > "surf music" attitude all the way...they were my heroes
> > > > that day!
> > > >
> > > > Well I could go on and on...no sense flogging a dead horse.
> > > >
> > > > keep up the cool commentary,
> > > > Dave P
> > > >
> > > > PS: Does anyone know much about the group "The Nobles"?
> > > > I am attempting to preserve some "vintage grafitti" along a
> > > > a rural highway in San Diego County California...painted
> > > > on a boulder in big black letters "THE NOBLES"...looks like
> > > > vintage 60s grafitti...any leads out there?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________
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