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Chris, I agree with you here, Great post. My intial post does sound
harsher than the way it sounded in my head,(maybe this is why I was
banned for life from the FDP) but hell, I hate wasting 15 bucks on a
CD I dislike :) Ivan's posts are legendary and sometimes
disagreeing with him is like taking on the blitzkrieg.
This Trad vs. Prog idea stands up in other forms of music too, and I
think it's more acceptable for someone who loves Merle Haggard
country to hate Shanie Twain. Because this community is so small,
and basically on a personal level, one's dislike of an aspect of the
genre upsets others who don't.
Bill
--- In , "kahunatikiman" <chris@b...>
wrote:
>
> This is a good topic! I always enjoy Ivan's posts, they are
> informative and very well thought out. my only critique would be
if
> Ivan could do like they do at Reverborama, and call everyone "fag"
> more. ;-)
>
> I think it's safe to say we all got into surf music the same
> way, by hearing the first wave songs by the first wave bands. I
> agree with Ivan that nothing will sound like they did then. We
> are all just trying to do our version of that original sound.
>
> I'd bet all of us started out on the same 5-10 songs, trying
as
> hard as we could to "sound like the record". For some of us,
thats
> enough, for others, they feel compelled to try to update the
sound,
> or the songs, or come up with their own ideas. One of my favorite
> things about surf music is the confines in which a song can be
> called surf music. For the most part, it's that original
> traditional sound. It may have evolved over the years, as
> everything does, but at the core is that reverb-driven sound.
>
> Bills words may have been harsh, but he has a point. I have
> also purchased new cd's thinking they would be good, only to find
> they ultimately don't stand the test of time. I always go back to
> the old stuff. Perhaps I'm trying to recapture the feeling the
first
> time I heard DD's Miserlou, or Pipeline. Newer stuff doesn't
> inspire me like the classics.
>
> Just because Bill doesn't buy every album that's released
doesn't
> make him less of a fan....
>
> I hope someday to have enough inspiration to come up with my own
> ideas , and leave my "mark" on the genre, but it that never
> happens, at least I'll have once heard "you sound just like the
> record"!
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. I think The Nobles also did the original version
> of "Hiawatha" later covered by The Surfaris. It's really just a
rip
> off of the Hamms Beer song. "from the land of sky blue
> water....water!"
>
>
>
> --- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> > Ivan:
> >
> > I read through your wonderful well-thought-out piece and I
> > must comment on one point you touched upon...
> >
> > Back in 1960-1965, the "surf music" scene was un-self
> > conscious...those musicians had a "zen-like" simplicity and
> > purity to their approach to the music they created.
> > Basically, they were dorks and goobers who wanted to
> > impress their friends by getting on the radio or playing at
> > the High School dance on Friday night.
> >
> > Remember, that period was before such blatant commercial
> > entities like the Monkeys, the Partridge Family, The Brady
> > Bunch and yes...even the Beatles. Way before MTV and Hot
> > Topic, but that's another story altogether.
> >
> > Those surf-dudes (and dudettes such as Kathy Marshall)
> > really had what they heard on the radio, on records and
> > what they saw at their local High School dances to ionspire
> > their creativity. And, of course, they had old Dick Dale
> > at the Rendevous Ballroom...
> >
> > Anyway, I guess the point you made about an idyllic moment
> > in history (1963) struck a chord in me...I simply wanted to
> > chime in and stress that, to me, real "surf music" is 90%
> > attitude and approach and charachter and only 10% equipment
> > and music knowledge (if even that much.)
> >
> > Last year, I had the pleasure of watching a show by the
> > Tornadoes (you know, Pulp Fiction soundtrack and all
> > that..."Bustin' Surfboards")...You prpbably played with
> > them at the "Rendevous Reunion" right?...
> >
> > Those guys are still together, living in Redlands
> > California (where they have always lived)...They have been
> > playing "real surf music" for over 40 years now... The show
> > was GREAT!...light-hearted...FUN! They can barely
> > play...total garage rock...they know what they know...and
> > what they know is how to have fun making their music. True
> > "surf music" attitude all the way...they were my heroes
> > that day!
> >
> > Well I could go on and on...no sense flogging a dead horse.
> >
> > keep up the cool commentary,
> > Dave P
> >
> > PS: Does anyone know much about the group "The Nobles"?
> > I am attempting to preserve some "vintage grafitti" along a
> > a rural highway in San Diego County California...painted
> > on a boulder in big black letters "THE NOBLES"...looks like
> > vintage 60s grafitti...any leads out there?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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