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Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender RI Mixer kills treble

Brain Brimstone (brainbrimstone) - 15 Oct 2004 10:15:09

I think he did permanently rewire it...and no i didn't know that "reverb-out to
normal in" was
a simple mod. Oh well. That's certainly helpful about the A & B inputs balancing
out. I'm
probably gonna pick up an easily returnable A/B Switcher. (Whirlwind if I can
find it, Morely
if I can't) tonight, and test it out. Thanks!
Marty Tippens said:
>
> I see Brian. You know that "reverb-out to normal channel in" is a simple mod
that many folks
> have done with a patch chord and doesn't require an amp tech. Did the tech
permanently rewire
> it for that?
>
> I'm also curious about the problem with the one quiet input. Your case may be
a more serious
> thing but on a Fender Twin, each pair of inputs is marked A and B and the B
input is suppose
> to be quiter. When you plug two instruments in simulteneously the A and B
inputs balance to
> the same volume.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brain Brimstone
> To:
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender RI Mixer kills treble
>
>
> Marty, here's the mod story (also the rest of you might get a kick out of
this)
>
> Years ago, before I found a tank and I only had my Twin ('68-9 or so), I
knew I needed more
> reverb to play surf. I talked to my tech - Dennis Kager at Central Jersey
Music Service -
> and he thought about it and suggested this:
>
> We take the signal coming out of the reverb tank and plug it into the
non-vibrato channel,
> where it gets amplified/tonaly controlled, then it goes back into where the
reverb signal
> usually goes and the mix gets controlled via the reverb knob on the vibrato
channel that I
> use. This mod gets switched on via the bright switch on the clean channel.
Bright On = Mod
> On.
> Bright Off = both channels work as normal.
>
> I used this for a couple of years. It doesn't sound anything like a
tank...in fact it's
> practically overdriven, a real nasty, brassy sound, that at the time really
fit my playing.
> Eventually the noise got to be too much and I found the Premier.
>
> Last time I took the Twin in, Dennis mentioned that the reverb tank in the
amp was shot and
> did I want to replace it? I said no because I was a little short on funds
and figured it
> didn't matter anyway. While messing around with sounds with the new RI, I
noticed that even
> though the tank in the Twin didn't work, it was still (of course) routing
the signal, so the
> EQ on the clean channel and the reverb knob were actually adding another
element to my
> sound.
> This would explain how things would sound different all the time, knobs I
didn't think were
> affecting me were, and would potentially change whenever we moved the amp
around.
>
> Awhile ago, I noticed that one of my inputs on my vibrato channel sticks out
and the other
> is
> flush. When troubleshooting for what turned out to be the mixer knob, I
tried both inputs,
> the
> flush one that I normally don't use sounded much deader than the other.
>
> So this means to do an A/B, I have to take the amp in to get that fixed,
then I can plug A
> into input 1 and B into input 2. Another option is to remove the mod so I
can turn the Clean
> Bright on. And then plug A into Clean and B into Vibrato and EQ the sounds
> differently...which
> sounds like I'll be there for hours tweaking my sound!
>
> So, either idea is good and probably what I'll do in the long run, however,
neither one is
> something I could have for the Cramps show....unless I A/B Clean/Vibrato,
and crank the
> treble
> on the clean to make up for the lack of bright. Sorry, just thinking out
loud here.
>
> Brain
>
>
> Oh! A bit more on Dennis. If you live ANYWHERE near Edison, NJ USE. THIS.
GUY! He has been
> INCREDIBLY dependable for years. I had heard he was legendary but I assumed
that was among
> people I knew. Googling him bring up that he: worked at the Ampeg factory
(possibly
> designing
> them, can't seem to find out) until he left in 1967 to make Sundown amps
which I'd never
> heard
> of before, but all reports rave about them, later he designed an amp for
Pignose and
> something
> called a Reverend Hellhound. Also, when we bring our Farfisa in there, he
says "oh i'll need
> a
> something..." then pulls out a DRAWER full of them. A drawer full of Farfisa
parts, need I
> say
> more.
>
> Whew. Done.
>
> Marty Tippens said:
> >
> > I need to hear more about your amp mod, Brian. Is it really that each of
the four inputs
> on
> > your Twin is assigned to different channels? Normally each pair of inputs
is assigned to
> > different channels and if you plug two lines in to the same pair of
inputs, they balance
> out.
> >
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brain Brimstone
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Fender RI Mixer kills treble
> >
> >
> > ...Also, it doesn't sound good with the vox and the 'verb. Too noisy.
And an A/B switch
> is
> > possible, but the inputs on my Twin (modded) all sound different, so I'd
have to get
> that
> > fixed and then set up the A/B switch....although that does sound like
the best idea so
> far.
> >
> >
> > Richard said:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Brain,
> > >
> > > This doesn't pertain to your question, but I just
> > > wanna chime in and say I love The Brimstones and am
> > > sick that I won't get to see you guys open for The
> > > Cramps. I saw The Gore Gore Girls open for The Cramps
> > > here two years ago and it was great.
> > >
> > > Just out of curiosity, why did you ditch the Premier
> > > for The Fender RI tank? Was there a problem with it?
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
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