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Hey DP,
I sadly have to agree with you about the 2 shows you saw.
The Lively Ones are a snooze fest. They just played at the Pier in HB,
and as usual I wanted to take a Nap. They have a different guitar
player with them, to rip it up(old school style)ocasionally which he
does. But Jim plays his country style leads most of the time. Tim is
a Great drummer, and he did oustanding job playing double duty with
the Dynotones, and then the Lively Ones right after. Also I got to
watch him play 3 sets with the Dynotones up close last weekend at the
Continental Club in Fullerton, and was truley blown away by his
smokin' hot jazzy and fast percission style, mixed with their Heavy
R&B style.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
-- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> Galaxy Ballroom, Santa Ana 2000: Rendevous Reunion...
> also: that show featured the UN-Lively Ones...personally, I
> thought they truly sucked...and I am a huge HUGE MASSIVE
> Lively Ones fan...especially their drummer (Tim
> Fitzpatrick) and sax (Joel Willenbring)...but, Jim
> Masoner(guitar), Ron Griffith(Mosrite bass) and Ed
> Chiaverini (guitar)...well very un-Lively says it all...
>
> lastly, Ivan's assessment is accurate: Eddie sucked big
> time, pure seventies Lynard Skynard/Allman Brothers
> bluesrock riffs...at a surf celebration?!?!?
>
> DP
>
>
> --- ipongrac <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> > My old band the Space Cossacks played the Rendezvous
> > Ballroom reunion
> > show in Santa Ana (or wherever it was, I'm blanking out
> > now) back in
> > 2000. One of the acts was the Belairs, with Eddie
> > Bertrand on lead
> > guitar. I was extremely excited about this, as I'm a
> > huge Eddie &
> > the Showmen fan. I think he was even better than DD back
> > then.
> > Well, I was extremely disappointed. Not only was his
> > technique
> > really sloppy, but he really ruined most of the song by
> > playing them
> > with a tone with a lot of distortion and modern
> > techniques. His
> > stage demeanor was utterly embarrassing, as well - a
> > throwback to '74-
> > '78 guitar-hero/cock-rawk type of stuff. I mean, this is
> > NOT
> > bringing in modern influences - this is simply bringing
> > in
> > other 'outdated' influences (in this case 25 years old).
> >
> >
> > don't get me wrong: I grew up with all of the shredding
> > guitar stuff
> > from the eighties, and still enjoy quite a bit of it. I
> > even
> > acquired Yngwie's first four albums on CD earlier this
> > year. I think
> > he's got a killer tone (and obviously an incredible
> > technique). I'm
> > absolutely obsessed with Ritchie Blackmore, too, as well
> > as a bunch
> > of other metal with shredding playing (like Iron Maiden).
> > Though I'm
> > not terribly enthusiastic about musical cross-breeding
> > between these
> > styles and surf music, there is a right and a wrong way
> > to do it.
> > Unfortunately, I couldn't come to another conclusion than
> > that Eddie
> > did it the wrong way. In order to play eighties shred
> > style you've
> > got to have an impeccable technique, and he didn't. Like
> > I said, he
> > was very sloppy. The Surf Coasters guitarist shows how
> > to do this
> > correctly and with taste. The non-original guitarist in
> > the
> > Chantays, though not my cup of tea, also does it quite
> > well. In
> > addition, there is a type of a song that works with that
> > style of
> > playing - Yngwie's "Black Star" and "Far Beyond the Sun,"
> > or Dokken's
> > (with another awesome shredmeister George Lynch) "Mr.
> > Scary." The
> > Belairs' version of Three Blind Mice is NOT a song where
> > you start
> > shredding - it just sounds ridiculous.
> >
> > As a impartial observer and fan, I understand Eddie's
> > desire to grow
> > as a musician. but what I saw that day was not an
> > example of
> > positive growth. I found it cringe-inducing, and would
> > not pay money
> > to see it again. I may be in a small minority, but I
> > have not heard
> > any positive reviews of Eddie's modern playing on any
> > list or in any
> > magazine since I've started following them back in '95.
> > So, maybe
> > Eddie should take a hint. Almost all great guitarists
> > become trapped
> > in their styles to a certain extent, but it doesn't mean
> > that one
> > cannot progress and grow while sticking to the tone that
> > made you
> > well-known in the first place. Just my opinion...
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> > PS BTW, Eddie was using a humbucker eqipped Strat through
> > SEVERAL
> > silverface Quad Reverbs, or something strange like that.
> > I can't
> > remember exactly now, maybe somebody else will. It's
> > funny that the
> > Belairs broke up over the whole debate about how much
> > reverb Eddie
> > should be using, when four years ago he just stomped over
> > all those
> > classic songs with excessive volume and distortion, which
> > is much
> > more damaging to guitar interplay in that setting than
> > reverb.
> > There's irony for you....
> >
> > PPS I have not heard any Get Wet stuff, Les, so I can't
> > comment on
> > your own playing. This was strictly about Eddie.
> >
> >
> > --- In , Leslie Fradkin
> > <lfradkin@e...>
> > wrote:
> > > Eddie hates this incident, and regrets doing it. He was
> > tricked by
> > the
> > > producer and although he insisted his name not be used,
> > it was
> > anyway.
> > >
> > > We used a real drummer (Peter G.) on the stuff we did
> > together and
> > will
> > > continue to use real drums.
> > >
> > > And no, it's not his updated sound.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Phil Kucer
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I posted an MP3 ripped from the porn movie he did a
> > few years
> > ago. The
> > > > song was awful. Not only the crappy song, but the
> > crappy over-
> > processed
> > > > guitars and crappy electronic drums.
> > > >
> > > > Since this the last thing I've heard from Mr.
> > Bertrand, I was just
> > > > wondering if this his 'updated' sound?
> > > >
> > > > Tell Eddie he needs to get back in the surf. We miss
> > him.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And leave the drum machine on the beach...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Phil Tiki
> > > > __________________________
> > > > The Cocktail Preachers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 7, 2004, at 10:38 AM, Leslie Fradkin wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> "That's great that you are trying to navigate into
> > some new sonic
> > > >>> territories. However, I've heard Eddie's newer
> > version of "Mr.
> > > >>> Rebel" (the on that Phil Tiki posted for us all to
> > hear) and I
> > have
> > > >>> to say it pales in comparison to the original."
> > > >>
> > > >> Your statement contradicts itself. Eddie & I both
> > believe in
> > uncharted
> > > >> territory. That philosophy is one of the prime
> > reasons he's
> > doing this
> > > >> project with me. We do his old hits live, BTW. We
> > just update
> > them a
> > > >> little bit for modern ears. We performed "Mr. Rebel"
> >
> > and "Squadcar" at
> > > >> the KFJC show. They were extremely well received and
> > sounded
> > great.
> > > >> That's because we played them with passion and
> > heart, which to
> > us,
> > > >> matters more than the gear we choose to use.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > > Visit for
> > archived
> > > > messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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